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@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150282) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150276) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150275) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150268) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150265) said:
Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

Then you get a million people whining when a ref gets it wrong (which they will they’re only human). I think the current video ref system is fine, I just think the bunker shouldn’t really rule on anything else besides tries.

Then blame the players for not challenging, this is about taking the blame away from the refs and giving them the authority back on the field to make a decision. We already have a million people complaining. this will speed the game up and put the onus on the players as it should be.
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150284) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150282) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150276) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150275) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150268) said:
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150265) said:
Can’t say I’m a fan of the captains challenge. Did tigers even use one in their first two games? Refs showed they get it right 99% of the time anyway so I don’t think it’s really needed, i think it just puts more pressure on them to be right which again leads to inconsistency and rushed calls

I don't like the Captain's Challenge we have now, I only want it used in try scoring situations instead of the refs referring to the bunker.

As in the only time they review tries is when there’s a challenge?

100% yes.

Then you get a million people whining when a ref gets it wrong (which they will they’re only human). I think the current video ref system is fine, I just think the bunker shouldn’t really rule on anything else besides tries.

Then blame the players for not challenging, this is about taking the blame away from the refs and giving them the authority back on the field to make a decision. We already have a million people complaining. this will speed the game up and put the onus on the players as it should be.

What if they get a challenge wrong on a call that’s 50/50 at the very start of the game. It’s not a bad idea but the issue is people will always blame the refs. Best way to fix that is just do video ref for tries to avoid as many wrong calls as you can.
 
I'd give them 2 incorrect calls a game, if you get 2 wrong after that it is tough luck. The players usually know if it is a try or not.
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150260) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150245) said:
@Geo said in [One ref](/post/1150242) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150214) said:
If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

I'm not talking about the type of offence
I'm talking about the advantage that the next week's opposition gets
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150286) said:
I'd give them 2 incorrect calls a game, if you get 2 wrong after that it is tough luck. The players usually know if it is a try or not.

The players have shown they suck at the captains challenge 😂
 
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150288) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150260) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150245) said:
@Geo said in [One ref](/post/1150242) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150214) said:
If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

I'm not talking about the type of offence
I'm talking about the advantage that the next week's opposition gets

Yes it is totally different as that is a punishment for a player for a foul and dangerous act where the wrestle is a team trying to systematically disadvantage the opposing team, I sin binning would be much more appropriate in that situation.
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150289) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150286) said:
I'd give them 2 incorrect calls a game, if you get 2 wrong after that it is tough luck. The players usually know if it is a try or not.

The players have shown they suck at the captains challenge ?

Well that is their fault though lol, though they will get better at it. I just want to see as little amount of interuptions to the game as possible.
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150291) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150288) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150260) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150245) said:
@Geo said in [One ref](/post/1150242) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150214) said:
If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

I'm not talking about the type of offence
I'm talking about the advantage that the next week's opposition gets

Yes it is totally different as that is a punishment for a player for a foul and dangerous act where the wrestle is a team trying to systematically disadvantage the opposing team, I sin binning would be much more appropriate in that situation.

Yes
But what good is that if a sin bin is applied with 5 minutes to go in the match iwhen a possible try is prevented.
Missing a whole week Will have more of an effect then missing 5 minutes
As a player what would you prefer
5 minutes or a week

As a player you would gamble 5 minutes in the bin to stop a try
Would you gamble a whole week on the sidelines
Come down hard I say
 
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150293) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150291) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150288) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150260) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150245) said:
@Geo said in [One ref](/post/1150242) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150214) said:
If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

I'm not talking about the type of offence
I'm talking about the advantage that the next week's opposition gets

Yes it is totally different as that is a punishment for a player for a foul and dangerous act where the wrestle is a team trying to systematically disadvantage the opposing team, I sin binning would be much more appropriate in that situation.

Yes
But what good is that if a sin bin is applied with 5 minutes to go in the match iwhen a possible try is prevented.
Missing a whole week Will have more of an effect then missing 5 minutes
As a player what would you prefer
5 minutes or a week

As a player you would gamble 5 minutes in the bin to stop a try
Would you gamble a whole week on the sidelines
Come down hard I say

I do see your point, though I don't agree. I don't care what the player would prefer, what would the opposition who suffered the cheating prefer is what I believe we should be asking in this case.
 
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call
 
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call



@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

I’ll bet my life’s savings there’ll be dramas with that ruling within the first round of it being in place. There will be heaps of times the refs will call it one way but the players would want it the other way. Is there an exact criteria of when it should be a penalty and not 6 again?
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150294) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150293) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150291) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150288) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150260) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150245) said:
@Geo said in [One ref](/post/1150242) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150214) said:
If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

I'm not talking about the type of offence
I'm talking about the advantage that the next week's opposition gets

Yes it is totally different as that is a punishment for a player for a foul and dangerous act where the wrestle is a team trying to systematically disadvantage the opposing team, I sin binning would be much more appropriate in that situation.

Yes
But what good is that if a sin bin is applied with 5 minutes to go in the match iwhen a possible try is prevented.
Missing a whole week Will have more of an effect then missing 5 minutes
As a player what would you prefer
5 minutes or a week

As a player you would gamble 5 minutes in the bin to stop a try
Would you gamble a whole week on the sidelines
Come down hard I say

I do see your point, though I don't agree. I don't care what the player would prefer, what would the opposition who suffered the cheating prefer is what I believe we should be asking in this case.

Why not both punishments for repeat offenders
If a possible try is prevented because of an infringement, 5 minutes in the bin is not enough if the attacking team doesn't score
So it appears the offender gets off
But if the offender knows he will be rubbed out next week, he is less likely to offend in the 1st place.
If we want to clean up the game, harsh action needs to be taken
They will learn pretty quick to pull there heads in
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150299) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call



@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

I’ll bet my life’s savings there’ll be dramas with that ruling within the first round of it being in place. There will be heaps of times the refs will call it one way but the players would want it the other way. Is there an exact criteria of when it should be a penalty and not 6 again?

Ref's call ...the more they try and take the refs out of the game the more they include them

The one ref and the six again will just create bigger blow outs and the gap between 1st and 16th will grow

Personally think we went from a probable Top 8 finish to a bottom 4 side

Thanks Mr Vlandy's ...great to see you helped out your Kytherian mate Politis
 
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

That completely defeats the purpose of the rule.
 
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150300) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150294) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150293) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150291) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150288) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150260) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150245) said:
@Geo said in [One ref](/post/1150242) said:
@Cairnstigers said in [One ref](/post/1150214) said:
If the defending team is deliberately slowing up the ruck, then maybe the culprit should be charged by the match review committee. If you were to get a 20 point charge per infringement then 5 infringements would automatically result in a one match ban or a $20,000 fine to the club
This could be kept completely seperate to all other charges so points are not added
That will stop players deliberately slowing up the game

So would sending 5 of them to the Sin Bin in the actual game they are playing advantaging the team they were actually playing not the following weeks team..

I know what your saying but
It is no different to going on report for a shoulder charge during a game only to cop a 4 week suspension the following week
That gives an advantage to the next 4 teams

Its quite different, as the wrestling is an ongoing effort to disadvantage the opposition.

I'm not talking about the type of offence
I'm talking about the advantage that the next week's opposition gets

Yes it is totally different as that is a punishment for a player for a foul and dangerous act where the wrestle is a team trying to systematically disadvantage the opposing team, I sin binning would be much more appropriate in that situation.

Yes
But what good is that if a sin bin is applied with 5 minutes to go in the match iwhen a possible try is prevented.
Missing a whole week Will have more of an effect then missing 5 minutes
As a player what would you prefer
5 minutes or a week

As a player you would gamble 5 minutes in the bin to stop a try
Would you gamble a whole week on the sidelines
Come down hard I say

I do see your point, though I don't agree. I don't care what the player would prefer, what would the opposition who suffered the cheating prefer is what I believe we should be asking in this case.

Why not both punishments for repeat offenders
If a possible try is prevented because of an infringement, 5 minutes in the bin is not enough if the attacking team doesn't score
So it appears the offender gets off
But if the offender knows he will be rubbed out next week, he is less likely to offend in the 1st place.
If we want to clean up the game, harsh action needs to be taken
They will learn pretty quick to pull there heads in

Have no problem at all with that mate!
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150302) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

That completely defeats the purpose of the rule.

And having refs make calls for your rugby league team is completely (insert swear word ) mental
 
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150304) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150302) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

That completely defeats the purpose of the rule.

And having refs make calls for your rugby league team is completely (insert swear word ) mental

I can see it now.... storm are winning 17-16, there’s a minute on the clock, there’s a ruck infringement right in front of the posts and the ref calls 6 again instead of a penalty and a gift two points, tigers lose. Fans would go absolutely mental.
 
@JoshColeman99 said in [One ref](/post/1150305) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150304) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150302) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

That completely defeats the purpose of the rule.

And having refs make calls for your rugby league team is completely (insert swear word ) mental

I can see it now.... storm are winning 17-16, there’s a minute on the clock, there’s a ruck infringement right in front of the posts and the ref calls 6 again instead of a penalty and a gift two points, tigers lose. Fans would go absolutely mental.

Problem is the refs aren't thinking about the result and nor should they

To then have to make split decision on what they think what is best is so wrong and so bloody stupid

People can dribble on about how good it is to have the game back ....yeah it's nice ...but to then have some stupid rule changes .....don't worry ..if it is going to make my sides chances less I'd rather we wait out the season
 
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150304) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150302) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

That completely defeats the purpose of the rule.

And having refs make calls for your rugby league team is completely (insert swear word ) mental

The ruck penalties will be rare, one maybe two a game once it is up and running. The majority of the time it is going to be 6 again. The penalty is really for the repeat infringements.
 
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150308) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150304) said:
@cochise said in [One ref](/post/1150302) said:
@happy_tiger said in [One ref](/post/1150296) said:
Players should get the choice if they want 6 again or a penalty ...you get 5 seconds to make a call

I don't want a ref making the call for my side whether they think a penalty or 6 again is the better call

That completely defeats the purpose of the rule.

And having refs make calls for your rugby league team is completely (insert swear word ) mental

The ruck penalties will be rare, one maybe two a game once it is up and running. The majority of the time it is going to be 6 again. The penalty is really for the repeat infringements.

or when Cammy rips people's ears off..
 
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