Online Petition to NRL for 2012 - Ref inconsistency

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Hi everyone. I have posted this around on a couple of forums just to bring it to the attention of other NRL fans like myself. There has been some mediocre refereeing throughout 2011 and many years before but the NRL still don't seem to do a lot about it. The current system just isn't working and consistency is always a big issue.

This petition was not written for any team in particular but for all teams and their fans who want to see something done for their respective clubs and the game in general.

The petition is basically about NRL fans voicing their agreement and opinion regarding the history of this problem and hopefully bring it to the NRL's attention. It would be great if there could be some type of points system for referee's much the same way that players are subjected to week in and week out. After all, if any of us don't perform appropriately in our jobs we are all subject to scrunity and face consequences so why isn't it the same for referees?

I'm not sure if I can post links in here but I will ask the moderators if it is ok? I will try to post some links in a reply to this post and will also have the links in my profile for anyone wanting to take a look and lend your support. It takes 30 seconds to register and hopefully, all going to plan, could save you 30 years of stress and tearing your hair out as otherwise the system doesn't look like changing any time soon.

Thanks for reading and if you do wish to support it, please pass it on.

Thanks forum and thanks to the Tigers for all your entertaining footy this year - good luck for 2012
 
I can guarentee you the refs dont try to be inconsistent.
A petition is a waste of time to be honest.
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It's fair enough that you think that way, but how can you be so sure? A referee should be completely in the middle and consistent. Even if they try not to be inconsistent as you say, it really doesn't matter. There are many examples I could give on this, but I will use one close to home - if a player makes a mistake in the game, whether intentional or not, he is placed on report. If such mistakes are consistent or bad, then he will be disciplined. Why do we try to protect the refs? They should be under a similar system so they think twice and perform.
 
Seriously mate, come on! there's been some shit calls but the ref's have been good I reckon. I think all clubs have had bad calls but they have had good one's too !!
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This suggestion can only make things better and they really could be better. You put anyone in a position where they don't have to really answer to anything it's simply straight forward… they won't try as hard. Other alternative is just leave them alone and nothing will ever change.

There are good refs out there, don't get me wrong.. but there has to be some measurement of performance for all of them .. just like there is on the players... there are always going to be bad calls, but this is about improving on that and making the refs think twice and raise their game!
 
sorry but no petiton, no matter how many names you gather will ever change the standard of refereeing
you are wasting your time
 
Seems pretty stupid. The refs do their best, signing a petition will not make them any better. If you hate the refs so much, why not put your hand up to be one and do a better job?
 
Have to agree with the OP on one area - the video refs, even with all the benefits of slow-mo replays, made some hideous blunders this year. If a petition could help to, at least, get that area rectified, I'd sign it.
 
@GNR4LIFE - Thanks for the comment, hopefully it doesn't end up being a waste of time but even if it can make them consider some changes need to be made it will be worth it.

@Marshall_magic - I don't hate the refs mate, there are a lot of good refs out there and there are some that are not consistent and make mistakes over and over again. I just hate it that some refs have a tendency to make inconsistent decisions and they don't have to face the music for it. The NRL introduced a system for the players (judiciary etc) who make mistakes and are disciplined based on that (or meant to be, that's a whole other area there). It's really straight forward, as with the players, if the refs perform and do not make mistakes then the refs don't have to worry about anything, but at the moment if the refs do or don't make mistakes it really makes no difference because there is no system for them to worry about (besides a slap on the wrist and some more cotton wool).

@Flippedy - I agree.. they have the best chance of making a ruling, they couldn't ask for more. Everyone at home knows what the decision should be but we all have some gut feeling of wonder about what the video ref will decide…. this is for ALL refs, video and on field.

Any other thoughts are appreciated.
 
With the exorbitant salaries the referees make, do you honestly believe that they're not trying their best to maintain or improve their performances to keep the salary they are making or even make more? Every team gets good calls and bad calls, that's part and parcel of the game called rugby league. It has been this way since 1908 and no matter how many petitions you sign, the same thing will happen next year and so on. If the weight of the media isn't enough, I highly doubt your petition will bare any fruit. Enjoying your passion though.
 
They are clearly protected and it needs to change. There should be a system that allows 'external' structured review. Bill Harrigan coming out every week justifying 'why' such decisions where made is laughable.

I can write a report to justify my argument every time…
 
So this is more of a complaint letter than a petition? Or are you proposing the NRL introduce some kind of punishment system for dud calls? Say having the offending referee tied to a post in the main street of the city/suburb he ripped off and interested fans could throw rubbish at him?

As Chris said, the passion is great but I don't think a petition is going to make the NRL suddenly realise they've got a lot of crap referees!
 
The only thing I would like to see changed is simple and probably very helpful
If the referees have their own press conference and they can explain their decisions and why they made them
If they want to do it after they have had a video session and rewatched the game that is fine also with me
 
@Tiger Watto - Thanks, really glad you get what is trying to be achieved .. there has to be some type of system or improvement on what is currently being used.

@Yossarian - It is more of a petition suggesting the need for some introduction of a system than a complaint letter. The part you might be looking at as a complaint is the reasoning behind why a system is needed perhaps? The NRL don't have a lot of crap referees, they just have referees that are not part of a system that works! (i.e a system that they need to think twice about before blowing the whistle)

@happy tiger - That is a good suggestion, even if they could introduce something like that would be great. I think a recording system would put more pressure on them but ANY improvement would be good. The only downfall with that would be the lame excuses they can sometimes come up with - like Tiger Watto says above, the excuses that Bill Harrigan comes up with defending them are pretty lame.

@Chris - Even people on high salaries get lazy if they don't have to answer to anyone..

Thanks for the comments
 
@anzac7 said:
@Tiger Watto - Thanks, really glad you get what is trying to be achieved .. there has to be some type of system or improvement on what is currently being used.

@Yossarian - It is more of a petition suggesting the need for some introduction of a system than a complaint letter. The part you might be looking at as a complaint is the reasoning behind why a system is needed perhaps? The NRL don't have a lot of crap referees, they just have referees that are not part of a system that works! (i.e a system that they need to think twice about before blowing the whistle)

@happy tiger - That is a good suggestion, even if they could introduce something like that would be great. I think a recording system would put more pressure on them but ANY improvement would be good. The only downfall with that would be the lame excuses they can sometimes come up with - like Tiger Watto says above, the excuses that Bill Harrigan comes up with defending them are pretty lame.

@Chris - Even people on high salaries get lazy if they don't have to answer to anyone..

Thanks for the comments
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If they could run footage and explain why they made the call I would be happy with that
At the moment they are like white rhinos (a protected species) and is doing the game harm
Even if they see the footage and say got it wrong and say "Sorry" I could even deal with that
 
@anzac7 said:
@Tiger Watto - Thanks, really glad you get what is trying to be achieved .. there has to be some type of system or improvement on what is currently being used.

@Yossarian - It is more of a petition suggesting the need for some introduction of a system than a complaint letter. The part you might be looking at as a complaint is the reasoning behind why a system is needed perhaps? The NRL don't have a lot of crap referees, they just have referees that are not part of a system that works! (i.e a system that they need to think twice about before blowing the whistle)

@happy tiger - That is a good suggestion, even if they could introduce something like that would be great. I think a recording system would put more pressure on them but ANY improvement would be good. The only downfall with that would be the lame excuses they can sometimes come up with - like Tiger Watto says above, the excuses that Bill Harrigan comes up with defending them are pretty lame.

@Chris - Even people on high salaries get lazy if they don't have to answer to anyone..

Thanks for the comments
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I don't know Anzac - referees get dropped as it is. I probably didn't take your original post seriously enough (blame Friday afternoon!) but I'd offer these comments:

1 - How do you measure performance? Too many penalties? More? Is one game changing clanger worse than a whole bunch of minor errors? Do you make allowances for the referee being unsighted?
2 - Suppose a ref gets a bad score. Who replaces him? There are already 16 slots to fill (I realise some double up but even so). As with NRL teams you have to suspect the ones below the top refs aren't as good as those doing NRL games.

I'm all for your broad concept though of making them more accountable. I still think the petition is a waste of time though.
 
@Yossarian said:
@anzac7 said:
@Tiger Watto - Thanks, really glad you get what is trying to be achieved .. there has to be some type of system or improvement on what is currently being used.

@Yossarian - It is more of a petition suggesting the need for some introduction of a system than a complaint letter. The part you might be looking at as a complaint is the reasoning behind why a system is needed perhaps? The NRL don't have a lot of crap referees, they just have referees that are not part of a system that works! (i.e a system that they need to think twice about before blowing the whistle)

@happy tiger - That is a good suggestion, even if they could introduce something like that would be great. I think a recording system would put more pressure on them but ANY improvement would be good. The only downfall with that would be the lame excuses they can sometimes come up with - like Tiger Watto says above, the excuses that Bill Harrigan comes up with defending them are pretty lame.

@Chris - Even people on high salaries get lazy if they don't have to answer to anyone..

Thanks for the comments

I don't know Anzac - referees get dropped as it is. I probably didn't take your original post seriously enough (blame Friday afternoon!) but I'd offer these comments:

1 - How do you measure performance? Too many penalties? More? Is one game changing clanger worse than a whole bunch of minor errors? Do you make allowances for the referee being unsighted?
2 - Suppose a ref gets a bad score. Who replaces him? There are already 16 slots to fill (I realise some double up but even so). As with NRL teams you have to suspect the ones below the top refs aren't as good as those doing NRL games.

I'm all for your broad concept though of making them more accountable. I still think the petition is a waste of time though.
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Yoss I still can't see why the top referees can't do two games a weekend If the top 4 do 2 games it will create more competition in the lower tier referees
 
@Yossarian said:
That already happens Happy. A few of the double up. I guess it comes down to logistics and distance.
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Not as video refs Yoss Actually doing 2 games a weekend
I personally like the way the ex refs do the video ref
Would prefer a panel of 3 for video referees though at every game
 
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