Packer & Reynolds

[NT_Tiger]

I haven't read through the whole thread so forgive me if someone has raised this previously.
Imagine for a moment that you are a Wests Tigers player on minimal contract busting a gut on the field against the opposition.
You then learn that two of your highly paid but under/non performing team mates cant be bothered watching you play.

 

[hobbo1]

the question that we as fans should ask.....would this behavior be acceptable at clubs like melbourne, roosters, broncos etc??? The clubs that have a long history of playing in finals?? (except Broncos this year)

the answer would be hell no.

If the club wants to start improving on everything, this lazy attitude towards simple mateship and support for teammates would be squashed out. It's not a hard ask.

At Melbourne you get a bloke with a broken jaw volunteer to be the ball boy..

I was impressed by that although he did drop the balls

 

[cochise]

inuendos

Inuendos?

I do make sense,but people dont want to see the other side..JR has a contract with the club,he was not required at Brooky...if he has done the wrong thing in regard to his contractual agreement then the club should adjudicate and penalise or not...we can all say Im wrong and everyone on here is clearly right...it has nothing to do with what we think is right or wrong its an opinion...what I said was in my particular circumstance whereI I played I gave 100 percent when on the field..if I wasnt required it was a day off to do what I liked ,if I went to a game and left it was no big deal...the coach my boss gave me the day off,if I chose to go to a game it was my choice even if I left at half time...if you boss gave you a day off and said you have to come to work..what would you think...and consider this is a professional organisation when answering

What does that have to do with the racist names you were called? That is what didn't make sense and wasn't relevant to the discussion.

Now when I played and wasn't in the team I was still expected to be at games to support the others unless I was playing in a different grade at a different ground. The thing is though I wouldn't have thought about being anywhere else, I was only paid for a win so if I didn't play I didn't get paid. Even when I have played social sport and been injured I would show up and support my mates.

In a professional sense I have supported colleagues in all sorts of situations from family to financial, from emotional to medical, from business to legal. I'm sorry I don't understand walking out on your mates

 

[innsaneink]

When I played cricket, even if it was my week off I would often be there to score, umpire or heckle the lads. Most of the others would too.

It's what you do in a team sport. You're all in it together.

So what?

 

[TrueTiger]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

 

[cochise]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

I would have preferred him to do that, he also couldn't go to the pub he is in isolation, he literally had no other place to be because they can't leave home.

 

[TrueTiger]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...

 

[boonboon]

So Packer just went to the warmth because his injured foot plays up in the cold. Seems like the right thing to do and Josh turned up when others in his position didnt and then left sfter halftime. Again dont see an issue.

 

[Deleted member 3518]

Heres something else for you experts to mull over....
I have played the game as many on here know,many times when I represented my club in FG I went out and did my best...I got called a wog,spic,daygo and the fans of the opposing team chanted to break my legs....I didnt have to go to the club and demand that I was racially abused or threatened,you know why,I was in the public eye and they pay thier entry to the game,its how we make money...yet if I was not required to attend the venue and did but left at half time Im the biggest rat of all time,please spare me your confluted arguements...

What? Mate you are not the only one on here to have played the game.and this post makes no sense to this discussion.

What I said was I played and got paid for my appearance...i was in the public eye while I was on the field,if I wasnt required to attend a venue and out of the team,it didnt matter if I left at halftime or didnt turn up at all...the club didnt own me I had a contract to play when selected,if I wasnt I had my time to do as I pleased ,wether it was to visit family on a sunday when I normally would be contracted to the club to play....its like your boss giving you a day off but you must come to work...so please spare me the inuendos...mate..

Ok cool . How successful were you ?

successful enough to not take payments for 4 years to get the club out of debt...in my days the almighty dollar only went so far...I still got injured,I still got back out there and I won a couple of awards for my trouble,but then again I wasnt at NRL level but a few of my mates were...

Ok . So you didn’t play NRL ? So your attitude took you no where near elite football? I’m not being a jerk . I’m sure you made it higher than I did. I’m trying to make you see that , the little things are the things that make the difference between elite programs and all so rans.

Do you understand what I’m saying . We as fans don’t just want a team that wins 45% of thier games . We want a team that wins 75%.
The Melbourne storm don’t have the elite juniors a lot of the time . In fact we do, or did for a very long time . Yet why did next to bugger all , develop through? Was it because all the scouts had thier eyes painted on ? Or something else . Like a lack of standards within the club .

 

[Telltails]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

When I played cricket, even if it was my week off I would often be there to score, umpire or heckle the lads. Most of the others would too.

It's what you do in a team sport. You're all in it together.

So what?

If junior coaches are teaching this to kids I'm not sure why it is beyond professional athletes.

 

[innsaneink]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,**have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...**pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Go for your life... Post them up for all to see... Maybe you "couldn't be bothered" ...how else can one describe such a weak reply?
Try and talk like an adult and get "so what".. "couldn't be bothered".. That's weak and yiu know it

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Come on fellas let's be civil.

 

[Tiger5150]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...

I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

 

[Tigercrb]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

 

[TrueTiger]

Could care less they didnt technically do anything wrong. I could also care less about what players like Brooks and Taylor think.

Culture is broken and those two blokes sticking up for Packer and Reynolds are part of the problem not part of the solution.

If a player attends a game as a spectator its just incredibly poor form to walk out on their team mates like that.

Ive sat with fans in tears after another flogging or a really tough loss. They didnt get up and leave. They sat through it.

These players all need to be moved on.


So you couldn't care less.

What people have to understand is that everything said on here in this thread is their opinion ,whether right or wrong....its up to the club to penalise them if they are in the wrong or BREECHED their contractual agreement anything we say is here say and emotional opinion..

And yes I couldnt careless if Reynolds left at halftime because he wasnt in the team that won and gave a fantastic result for us...he wasnt required at Brooky ...end of story...

Yiu couldn't care less that the player your sticking up for and claiming isn't getting a fair go, he couldn't care less how his team mates went in the 2nd half as he had better things to do

couldnt be bothered answering that Mark.get your brownie points elsewhere..he wasnt required to be there but went to show support and left after halftime,didnt have to at all but made some effort,he could of gone to the pub and no one would have known any better....

Weak as .... Your argument throughout this whole discussion has been weak as p

"couldn't be bothered answering that"
"so what?"
"so what"
"so what "

Be the player your team mates wanna play with... Or be the guy who bails at half time when it looks like his "mates" are doing it tough

Staunch ?

You have your opinion I have mine if you want to call me out for being weak as p,have alook at some of your posts over the years...look in the mirror before you judge...pot calling the kettle black mate,,

Your defence of Reynolds is admirable TT but not sure he deserves it. By all reports he and Packer have appologised for a lapse in judgement - acknowledging themselves the error - and for most part this club has done far more forJosh Reynolds than he ever will for us. He is really not worth you getting offside with people on here with whom you seem to have had long standing relationships with.

Yes your right Telltales,the point I really want to make to all those that want to tear up contracts,never to play in WTs colours again are all opinions...

what the club needs to do is become far more professional and outline what is expected when representing the club...they pay the big dollars so they must make regulations and rules that must be adhered to..
I really dont care if JR was here tommorrow or not...my main point was he was NOT required to be at Brooky at all.he went on his own volition,he left at halftime .so what its up to the club to determine the outcome...if he morally doesnt care then that is on him..however Madge backs him to be a great person on and off the field...

 

[Cairnstigers]

Its simple
If they loved the club and wanted to support the guys on the field, they would have stayed

Walking out shows me they have lost interest or they thought that we were no chance of winning so they gave up and walked out

Its an attitude thing and that is precisely what madge is trying to change
We as a team need to fight on the field for every win and support from the stands
We dont need to give up
That's why we miss the 8 year after year
A number of players just give up and don't fight till the end
Reynolds and Packer gave up because they know we are trying to offload them and they thought our season was over
Once we cant make the 8 they won't get any more game time as it will be time to give game time to the in experienced
That's the way I see it
And I would say its very close to the mark

 

[TrueTiger]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

 

[the_third]

As much as I hate to say it, buzz was right on 360 today. They all were.
It shouldn’t have happened
Hit with a feather afterwards
Shouldn’t put brooks and garner up to defend it
Should have been Pascoe and lee
Didn’t even set a rule following this
Leadership was bad from management

 

[Tiger5150]

Just my opinion, but I think it is terrible reflection of their attitude towards their team mates and obviously the coach.

And the excuse of "it's not technically a rule to stay" is also weak. Where else do they need to be that is more important than there work place? Packer was 19th man, so obviously could not possibly have any other plans.

I am very interested to know where they went. Home? Out together for a beer?

Surely it is part of the contract to attend team events (sponsors, charity etc) and would have to include games, unless permission is given prior.

Matty johns mentioned on his show, the under 20's had to stay and watch reserve grade and first grade without drinking when he was coming through at the knights. This is a sign of respect and solidarity.

I honestly could not see this happening at Melbourne or the roosters. It is an up yours to Madge. If you are not going to pick me, I'm not hanging around.

People saying its only minor and been blown out of proportion need to understand that culture, effort and team work is what drive successful clubs.

This has made me think of the All Black policy of cleaning the dressing room after games. Doesn't matter if you are Ritchie McCaw or a debutant. You stand by the rules and expectations of the club/team.

As I said earlier ...JR was not required at Brooky...he made his choice to go and support the team...he left at half time big deal,we left a bloke in our team for weeks while he tanked and you want to crucify a player for leaving the ground when not required to be there in the first place...please wake up to the real world...

Required or not, you should be supporting your team mates. I wouldnt have a problem with it if he didn't attend the game at all. But to leave at half time, when your team mates are facing adversity says it all really.

As much as I can't stand all the hysteria around sbw, the cameras have shown him sitting on the side line supporting his team mates, every game since he signed.

I wonder if he is required to be there by the roosters, or is there because he wants to be there?

Roosters know SBW will make them money by sitting on the sidelines....big difference....

Lol, so you would say he is required by the roosters to be there?

A bloke on virtually minimum wage, 3+ years out of the game is required to be on the side lines supporting him team mates, but a marquee signing trying to convince the coach he deserves another shot in first grade is NOT required?

This is about the difference in character between the 2.

I need to wake up to the real world? Classic

Yes you do SBW is a money making machine for what he has achieved over the years JR doesnt even come close...


Man you are not only missing the point, you are in a different postcode.

your opinion mate ....


Ok, lets take it out of the realm of opinion, into the world of facts and reality.

Do you think that the Roosters have written in SBW's contract or terms and conditions, a clause that says, if you are not playing you MUST sit through each game?

No I never said that,he is a money making machine who everybody knows for his controversial sporting prowess and abilities... by having him just sit on the sidelines will make you money because people know he will get out and play...have a look at the ratings for the footy the other night when he made his first game for 3 years...it tells how much interest he creates and politis has bagged some more money...


As i said, missing the point totally. Answer this simply. Why has SBW decided to sit in the grandstand during Roosters games he is not playing in?

ego and money...one day you will see it for what it is...


I see it exactly for what it is.

One day you will either answer my question without obfuscating....or get the point.

So......ego and money. Are you saying SBW is being paid specifically for sitting in the grandstand? A Condition in his contract?

Reynolds is being paid more than SBW, so surely he should be MORE entitled to sit the game out?

Answer directly.......why is SBW sitting the grandstand when he is not playing?

I would say its an expectation of the club....something our club hasnt outlined as such...

I doubt it, it is what professionals do and they dont need to be told. That is why Roosters are successful, they are professional and only have professionals involved.

I would also suggest it is part of the reason that professional clubs will fall over themselves to resign SBW even after he has turned his back on the code a few times and is in the twilight years (4 years older than Reynolds) whereas no other club wants anything to do with Reynolds even with a subsidised contract. Not to mention part of the reason that an old failing Benji Marshall is preferred ahead of Reynolds.

Madness that you are trying to imply its the clubs fault that REynolds (and Packer) arent professional enough to understand that they stay until the end of the game to support their team mates.