Packer Sentenced to 2 Years Jail!!

[wtigers]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Are you seriously trying to suggest that corporal punishment would help STOP this stuff? All it does is create a sense in which violence and inflicting pain on someone else are viewed as good and normal punishments. That kid can grow up thinking 'this guy's done me wrong, time to make him hurt'.

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[happy_tiger]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

You missed the main reason. Respect for other people is on the decline. Too many people believe it's my way or the highway. Greediness in almost every way is becoming a societal norm. Humility and generosity should be the goals of everyone for this year.

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You are correct but I believe for another reason Social communication needs to be held accountable , many kids talk mainly through I phones ,I pad etc etc and lack direct social skills and the frustration at not being able to vent properly contributes as well

Half these kids wouldn't know what a 1 on 1 blue was as they usually hunt in dingo packs

 

[innsaneink]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Are you seriously trying to suggest that corporal punishment would help STOP this stuff? **All it does is create a sense in which violence and inflicting pain on someone else are viewed as good and normal punishments. That kid can grow up thinking 'this guy's done me wrong, time to make him hurt'.**

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So far from the truth.
It made me grow up thinking, gee…"I better not get caught jigging school again, or smoke in the dunnies, or play up in class"....because getting the cane wasnt much fun.

It NEVER made me think of revenge, that I was ''done wrong by''....I always knew it was a consequence on ME doing wrong.

Clearly youve never experienced it...such a distorted view.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Are you seriously trying to suggest that corporal punishment would help STOP this stuff? All it does is create a sense in which violence and inflicting pain on someone else are viewed as good and normal punishments. That kid can grow up thinking 'this guy's done me wrong, time to make him hurt'.

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Not looking for an argument, just an opinion: if what you say is the case regarding corporal punishment, why is it that this sort of behaviour is becoming endemic, whereas virtually unheard of thirty years ago? My dad and uncles all used to go out and never encounter this sort of rubbish. There is a clear shift in attitude from then until now, it's quite clear that a lot of younger people now have little to no respect for anyone (not even themselves,) so what in your opinion has caused this?

 

[alex]

You missed the main reason. Respect for other people is on the decline. Too many people believe it's my way or the highway. Greediness in almost every way is becoming a societal norm. Humility and generosity should be the goals of everyone for this year.

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Bingo.

 

[system]

Somewhere along the road it became all about the rights of x.

I understand the thought behind it. It was an attempt to curve heinous abuse by removing the greyer areas some saw around physical discipline.

Sadly by focusing on individual rights it has, as Peaches alluded to, become a very selfish society. Very rarely is what is best for the society considered. It is all about instant gratification of the individual and not any form of common good.

A society reaps what it sows.

The specific change in doctrine that gets bought to mind is when the NSW Police Force became the NSW Police Service and all of the distinction that implies.

 

[wtigers]

If you all think that the way to teach kids respect is to hit them every time they get something wrong about the world their still learning then go ahead.

And if you're sure that it didn't teach you a violent attitude to the world, realise that you're supporting hitting/hurting kids because they break the rules. Like just think about how messed up that sounds.

And to CB, people have been being violent for centuries, are you sure you just didn't hear about it because of a lack of media noticing it? Technology has come a long way since then and everyone records everything now.

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[reyre2000]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Are you seriously trying to suggest that corporal punishment would help STOP this stuff? **All it does is create a sense in which violence and inflicting pain on someone else are viewed as good and normal punishments. That kid can grow up thinking 'this guy's done me wrong, time to make him hurt'.**

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So far from the truth.
It made me grow up thinking, gee…"I better not get caught jigging school again, or smoke in the dunnies, or play up in class"....because getting the cane wasnt much fun.

It NEVER made me think of revenge, that I was ''done wrong by''....I always knew it was a consequence on ME doing wrong.

Clearly youve never experienced it...such a distorted view.

I agree with Happy on that post, I couldnt have said it better myself. I also agree with Ink, what a bizarre way to see the world witgers

 

[wtigers]

I do agree that I phrased that first post weirdly (and wrongly, I'm really tired) but I COMPLETELY oppose corporal punishment. It just seems like common sense to NOT HURT KIDS FOR DOING WRONG THINGS.

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[happy_tiger]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Are you seriously trying to suggest that corporal punishment would help STOP this stuff? All it does is create a sense in which violence and inflicting pain on someone else are viewed as good and normal punishments. That kid can grow up thinking 'this guy's done me wrong, time to make him hurt'.

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Seriously yes , where is the accountability in our youth of today ??

Anyone under the age 18 can do whatever they want with the absolute minimum of punishment involved

About the only place they get accountability is in the workplace and if they don't like what you are saying they quit and then little Johnny's Mum rings up and complains and doesn't have an issue that Johnny hasn't shown up to a Saturday in 3 months because it interferes with his lifestyle

Give you an example , a few years ago I terminated a staff member who had missed 11 shifts straight (Nothing was wrong with him , he was still at school ) He was angry so he decided to ring that night from a party and said he was going to kill my family with all his mates laughing in the background

When I told his parents (One of whom was a school teacher )about this from a phone call , she

1/ Called me a liar because he told her he had been taken off the roster
2/ Said I was lying about the party , because he was at a friends place going to the movies
3/ I had no right to be accusing her son of this stuff , I had it in for him
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Fixed him up , rang the cops and they had his phone traced

When the cops asked me what I wanted done , (he admitted it was all a lie ) I asked for one thing
An apology from the Mum , I all I got was a call telling me to Get f%^&ed

Now try and tell me where kids are learning about accountability ????

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

If you all think that the way to teach kids respect is to hit them every time they get something wrong about the world their still learning then go ahead.

And if you're sure that it didn't teach you a violent attitude to the world, realise that you're supporting hitting/hurting kids because they break the rules. Like just think about how messed up that sounds.

And to CB, people have been being violent for centuries, are you sure you just didn't hear about it because of a lack of media noticing it? Technology has come a long way since then and everyone records everything now.

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Don't insult my intelligence, of course I know people have been violent, for as long as we crawled out of the primordial filth in fact.

I'm alluding to the fact that people today walk in groups, completely aware of their own fragility on their own and knowing full well in the strength of numbers. Young men draw way too much influence from pop culture. People don't just have fist fights anymore, they bring weapons. Elderly and disabled are preyed upon. This didn't happen to the magnitude that it used to. Because people had respect for one another.

As others have already said, children are growing up being mollycoddled and having the importance of individuality impressed on them. Couple that with the digital age (highly ironic that I used social media as a forum to express this,) and the luxury/inability to communicate face to face anymore and they grow up self centred, shallow and greedy.

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[happy_tiger]

The problem is you can't smack your kids for any reason

I smacked my son once , and it was for effect

He was 4 and almost walked head first into a moving car

Sometimes you need to do something for their own health , to make an instant effect

He's 10 tomorrow and still remembers it

 

[aajlewis]

Well said Cultured Bogan, it's a joke really, just turned 24 and growing up with these type of people, it's pathetic really, they care for nobody but themselves. So many Neanderthal like characters out there

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[wtigers]

I didn't mean to insult your intelligence I'm sorry if you took it that way.
Your view of the younger generation is extremely shallow though, and sounds as though you've gotten it off a current affair's frequent terrible critiques of young people.
The young generation behaves the way it does NOT because of pop culture, it makes no sense to place blame on that, especially since pop culture is increasingly critical of any acts of violence.
And social media is not a reason that people can't connect with personally with one another - if anything it's strengthened people's abilities to connect with like minded people over distances.
A pack mentality that means people stay in groups and do not allow one on one connections or altercations can be attributed largely to how kids were raised. It is through no fault of their own that kids are told to stick with their friends when they go out, or to stick up for them.

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[Wagga_Tiger]

Wow Happy, that is incredible. We are having a major problem here in Wagga with young kids roaming the streets and breaking into housee and cars. The Police are essentially powerless to stop them and the parents refuse to do anything. All the points you mentioned i believe are the cause for this crappy behaviour, i'm not an advocate for beating up kids but i never once got the cane as i was s#@t scared of it. If the schools and police had more power and parents backed them up things may improve.

 

[westTAHger]

if you do something wrong, then expect to be held accountable.
so don't whinge and whine, when you are held accountable and are punished

 

[Sabre]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Gotta disagree with you there Happy, but you are right on accountability.
Don't blame it on drugs or alcohol, at the end of the day people have ability to make decisions for themselves. The blame should lie solely with Russell Packer and not with anything else. There are plenty of people who grow up without corporal punishment in schools and drink as much alcohol as they want but don't feel the need to go and commit crimes.

Good on the judge for giving him jail time, some NRL players would have probably started thinking they are above the law.

 

[galea_11]

It will only get worse think who r the people having more kids . We have people who r just professional breeders and centrelink supports them no matter how many kids . Then the working family have less kids cos they can't afford to have more kids ? The police are locking up 2nd and 3rd generation criminals with parents who haven't worked day in there life great role models for kids . We deserve this how stupid we have set this up

 

[Newtown]

We have created a lot of the reasons violence is on the increase

Corporal punishment removed from schools

No smacking of children

Pissweak sentencing of criminals

Lack of accountability

Using energy drinks as post mixes for spirits

Increase of drug use in youth (particularly harder drugs)

Increased toxicity of drugs (they are stronger ,even pot )

Increase of drinking trade hours

All this combined creates a huge mess on the streets at 3.00AM Sunday morning

Gotta disagree with you there Happy, but you are right on accountability.
Don't blame it on drugs or alcohol, at the end of the day people have ability to make decisions for themselves. The blame should lie solely with Russell Packer and not with anything else. There are plenty of people who grow up without corporal punishment in schools and drink as much alcohol as they want but don't feel the need to go and commit crimes.

Good on the judge for giving him jail time, some NRL players would have probably started thinking they are above the law.

There is no question that the blame does rest with Russell Packer and I am sure that other people in the same position as Packer would have had more than a second thought if they knew that they would be severely punished for such dismeanour. Irrespective, Packer could not have thought clearly at the time because his thought proces was overcome with the excess of alcohol; and whatever else he took.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I didn't mean to insult your intelligence I'm sorry if you took it that way.
Your view of the younger generation is extremely shallow though, and sounds as though you've gotten it off a current affair's frequent terrible critiques of young people.
The young generation behaves the way it does NOT because of pop culture, it makes no sense to place blame on that, especially since pop culture is increasingly critical of any acts of violence.
And social media is not a reason that people can't connect with personally with one another - if anything it's strengthened people's abilities to connect with like minded people over distances.
A pack mentality that means people stay in groups and do not allow one on one connections or altercations can be attributed largely to how kids were raised. It is through no fault of their own that kids are told to stick with their friends when they go out, or to stick up for them.

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Wtigers, I'm 28 and I have a sister 10 years younger so you could argue I'm in the mix. And no, I don't draw my conclusions from ACA or TT, because quite frankly those shows are rubbish and designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

In between every kid being told that they are special and one of a kind and listening to whatever crap that gangsta rap artists are sprouting about enjoying the excesses of life (f@%$ bitches, get money dawwwwwwwwg,) and going out to dinner only for all four of you to sit staring at your phones instead of interacting with those you met up with… We're headed for hell in a handbasket.

Generation 'i' are going to grow up socially retarded. They can't interact with the wider world so it's no surprise they are self absorbed.