Pangai Junior

[weststigerman]

Correction. TPJ has got 1 point this year.

Still behind about 15-20 other back rowers though.

 

[facepalmer]

Just saw an interesting stat around TPJ. Hasn't scored a Dally M point since 2018. No origin, no winning, no Dally M points - his manager has done an amazing job to get 750k per season.

I didn’t go back that far but Finucane has only scored 2 points since 2020 and half the forum is absolutely frothing over him. I don’t think dally m points mean anything really.

Finucane is a different type of player. They'd never get Dally M points. TPJ's meant to be a Fifita esque gamebreaker. How many Dally M points has Fifita scored in that timeframe? Or Haas for that matter?

He is a great miss. Luciano Leilua is without doubt better and more consistent than him. Legit. Leilua is a far better player even with his flaws. TPJ has the same flaws and more.

 

[facepalmer]

Correction. TPJ has got 1 point this year.

Still behind about 15-20 other back rowers though.

Where does Luciano Leilua score?

 

[Needaname]

@facepalmer dropped some good knowledge last night.

Dropping huge coin on players like this is a risk.
We should be developing Blore to be our home made TPJ but better.

We've been producing talent for years for other clubs. Time to look after our own backyard.

I’m sorry but Mikalee has the closest identify to TPJ. That’s the guy that we need to keep developing.

 

[hammertime]

That's twice now the dogs have gotten the better of us in negotiations. They seem to come in late and land the signature.

I honestly think we need a shake up at CEO level. Something needs to change.

What has the CEO got to do with it?

He's part of the team involved in the negotiations. Particularly at the end and he sets up the structure and team involved. He's in charge of press releases/leaks from the club, which has been diabolical. He lost the "big 3" too. There is something happening at the tail end of the deals which is losing the guys. They seem to want to be on board during those initial chats with Madge or Hartigan.

I've seen first hand his delivery challenges. Remember all those articles and videos that we're going to be "reoccurring updates", then they drop off. The CEO update, the weekly videos.

I even had a chat to him about leaving a significant donation in my will to the club (6 figures). He promised he would get back to me. Never did.

What I see is a real inability to execute to the end. Talk up front is strong, but then gets lazy. It's reflected in his lazy appearance.

I've actually been supporter of him in the past. But the evidence is piling up.

 

[weststigerman]

Correction. TPJ has got 1 point this year.

Still behind about 15-20 other back rowers though.

Where does Luciano Leilua score?

Twice as many points as TPJ.

 

[TigerWest]

That's twice now the dogs have gotten the better of us in negotiations. They seem to come in late and land the signature.

I honestly think we need a shake up at CEO level. Something needs to change.

What has the CEO got to do with it?

He's part of the team involved in the negotiations. Particularly at the end and he sets up the structure and team involved. He's in charge of press releases/leaks from the club, which has been diabolical. **He lost the "big 3" too**. There is something happening at the tail end of the deals which is losing the guys. They seem to want to be on board during those initial chats with Madge or Hartigan.

I've seen first hand his delivery challenges. Remember all those articles and videos that we're going to be "reoccurring updates", then they drop off. The CEO update, the weekly videos.

I even had a chat to him about leaving a significant donation in my will to the club (6 figures). He promised he would get back to me. Never did.

What I see is a real inability to execute to the end. Talk up front is strong, but then gets lazy. It's reflected in his lazy appearance.

I've actually been supporter of him in the past. But the evidence is piling up.

So he lost those 3 did he?
How long ago was that, the club has moved miles forward from those days.
BTW, a nice gesture to think to donate money to the club.

 

[weststigerman]

That's twice now the dogs have gotten the better of us in negotiations. They seem to come in late and land the signature.

I honestly think we need a shake up at CEO level. Something needs to change.

What has the CEO got to do with it?

He's part of the team involved in the negotiations. Particularly at the end and he sets up the structure and team involved. He's in charge of press releases/leaks from the club, which has been diabolical. He lost the "big 3" too. There is something happening at the tail end of the deals which is losing the guys. They seem to want to be on board during those initial chats with Madge or Hartigan.

I've seen first hand his delivery challenges. Remember all those articles and videos that we're going to be "reoccurring updates", then they drop off. The CEO update, the weekly videos.

I even had a chat to him about leaving a significant donation in my will to the club (6 figures). He promised he would get back to me. Never did.

What I see is a real inability to execute to the end. Talk up front is strong, but then gets lazy. It's reflected in his lazy appearance.

I've actually been supporter of him in the past. But the evidence is piling up.

I do think there is something odd happening here. Between Lee and Pascoe, the CEO has been involved in negotiations as Joffa said as much. Lee talks about it in public. There are leaks everywhere in the media. I don't blame the club for not signing TPJ, but we need to figure why this is all so messy and the club looks stupid every time even when they are doing the right thing.

 

[The_Patriot]

Wonder is Xavier Coates is the next to look for a short term deal now the Broncos refuse to play him.

f we didnt snag Maumalo he would be ok.

 

[tony soprano]

That's twice now the dogs have gotten the better of us in negotiations. They seem to come in late and land the signature.

I honestly think we need a shake up at CEO level. Something needs to change.

What has the CEO got to do with it?

He's part of the team involved in the negotiations. Particularly at the end and he sets up the structure and team involved. He's in charge of press releases/leaks from the club, which has been diabolical. He lost the "big 3" too. There is something happening at the tail end of the deals which is losing the guys. They seem to want to be on board during those initial chats with Madge or Hartigan.

I've seen first hand his delivery challenges. Remember all those articles and videos that we're going to be "reoccurring updates", then they drop off. The CEO update, the weekly videos.

I even had a chat to him about leaving a significant donation in my will to the club (6 figures). He promised he would get back to me. Never did.

What I see is a real inability to execute to the end. Talk up front is strong, but then gets lazy. It's reflected in his lazy appearance.

I've actually been supporter of him in the past. But the evidence is piling up.

I do think there is something odd happening here. Between Lee and Pascoe, the CEO has been involved in negotiations as Joffa said as much. Lee talks about it in public. There are leaks everywhere in the media. I don't blame the club for not signing TPJ, but we need to figure why this is all so messy and the club looks stupid every time even when they are doing the right thing.

Media turned further south on us since benji leaving. Id say there has been a break up with chammas, that desira bloke who managers pangi and benji and the club. Probably stemmed from the media reports when we turfed benji since then chammas and that player manager have been calling for Maguire head. Maybe the club refuse to deal with them since the benji issue. Sure benji is aware he'd be more welcome at the club once madge is gone

 

[hammertime]

That's twice now the dogs have gotten the better of us in negotiations. They seem to come in late and land the signature.

I honestly think we need a shake up at CEO level. Something needs to change.

What has the CEO got to do with it?

He's part of the team involved in the negotiations. Particularly at the end and he sets up the structure and team involved. He's in charge of press releases/leaks from the club, which has been diabolical. **He lost the "big 3" too**. There is something happening at the tail end of the deals which is losing the guys. They seem to want to be on board during those initial chats with Madge or Hartigan.

I've seen first hand his delivery challenges. Remember all those articles and videos that we're going to be "reoccurring updates", then they drop off. The CEO update, the weekly videos.

I even had a chat to him about leaving a significant donation in my will to the club (6 figures). He promised he would get back to me. Never did.

What I see is a real inability to execute to the end. Talk up front is strong, but then gets lazy. It's reflected in his lazy appearance.

I've actually been supporter of him in the past. But the evidence is piling up.

So he lost those 3 did he?
How long ago was that, the club has moved miles forward from those days.
BTW, a nice gesture to think to donate money to the club.

It's not about how long ago it was... it's just that the mistakes pile up. It usually comes transparent over several years. The Robbie contract situation. Even the average joe would have known that it was a mistake.

The 3 walked on his watch. Up until then, teddy was talking about taking a paycut to create a dynasty.

Like I said, I've been a big supporter of JP. But you can see several occurrences where he hasn't fulfilled on his own commitments. Even just simple things like communications to members.

He expects the players to take ownership of commitments. But somehow the same doesn't apply to him. No matter how minor, that's faulty leadership. If that's flowing down, then no wonder the players think they can take it easy some weeks.

 

[jadtiger]

That's twice now the dogs have gotten the better of us in negotiations. They seem to come in late and land the signature.

I honestly think we need a shake up at CEO level. Something needs to change.

What has the CEO got to do with it?

He's part of the team involved in the negotiations. Particularly at the end and he sets up the structure and team involved. He's in charge of press releases/leaks from the club, which has been diabolical. He lost the "big 3" too. There is something happening at the tail end of the deals which is losing the guys. They seem to want to be on board during those initial chats with Madge or Hartigan.

I've seen first hand his delivery challenges. Remember all those articles and videos that we're going to be "reoccurring updates", then they drop off. The CEO update, the weekly videos.

I even had a chat to him about leaving a significant donation in my will to the club (6 figures). He promised he would get back to me. Never did.

What I see is a real inability to execute to the end. Talk up front is strong, but then gets lazy. It's reflected in his lazy appearance.

I've actually been supporter of him in the past. But the evidence is piling up.

I do think there is something odd happening here. Between Lee and Pascoe, the CEO has been involved in negotiations as Joffa said as much. Lee talks about it in public. There are leaks everywhere in the media. I don't blame the club for not signing TPJ, but we need to figure why this is all so messy and the club looks stupid every time even when they are doing the right thing.

Media turned further south on us since benji leaving. Id say there has been a break up with chammas, that desira bloke who managers pangi and benji and the club. Probably stemmed from the media reports when we turfed benji since then chammas and that player manager have been calling for Maguire head. Maybe the club refuse to deal with them since the benji issue. Sure benji is aware he'd be more welcome at the club once madge is gone

Benji would be less welcome afaic since all he does is have sly digs at the club every time he is interviewed.

 

[avocadoontoast]

Pangai jnr reveals why he chose the Bulldogs
By Michael Chammas

Inside a modest suburban home on Cressy Street in Canterbury, an eight-year-old Tevita Pangai jnr watched on with his family as the Bulldogs lifted the 2004 premiership.

“There were blue and white cars going off in the streets,” Pangai recalls.

Tevita Pangai Junior will join the Bulldogs via Penrith.
Tevita Pangai Junior will join the Bulldogs via Penrith.CREDIT:NRL PHOTOS

“Houses were painted blue and white. It was crazy. The whole place was crazy. I still remember it was Sonny’s (Bill Williams) first year. As a young Polynesian kid having a blinder of a year, for me as a young kid to see that was something I aspired to be like.”

It was the last time Belmore celebrated a title. Seventeen years on Pangai is preparing to return to a success-starved community looking to put the bite back in the once proud club.

But the excitement of what lies ahead, a pit-stop at the high-flying Panthers before linking with the Bulldogs in the off-season, took a back seat as the realisation hit home on Wednesday.

With the ink still drying on his termination with the Broncos, Pangai picked up the phone and dialled his old coach last night.

Tevita Pangai Jr takes instructions from former coach Wayne Bennett during their time together at the Brisbane Broncos in 2018.
Tevita Pangai Jr takes instructions from former coach Wayne Bennett during their time together at the Brisbane Broncos in 2018.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

“I can’t believe it’s over,” Pangai told his mentor Wayne Bennett.

“I’m really disappointed. I came to Brisbane as a 19-year-old to play under Wayne. To leave now is really sad. I made my debut at this club. I’m really disappointed leaving the playing group. I’m going to miss them.

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“I didn’t want to leave. I’m shattered I have to leave, but that’s footy. Sometimes you get the tap on the shoulder and you have to make way. They said it would be best for both parties. Ben Ikin (new Broncos general manager) is a nice fella. I got to know him for a few weeks.

“It was different not seeing him on my screen every night. Both him and Dave Donaghy have been great to me. I’m happy they get what they want and I get what I want, which is an opportunity to work with Gus and Trent in Sydney.”

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Pangai, who personally phoned Bennett during his time at the Raiders to land a deal at the Broncos, has struggled to live up to the hype that was set during his time under the veteran coach.

While he admitted Bennett’s exit had a huge impact on his football, he refused to use it as an excuse for his inability to consistently perform at a high level under Anthony Seibold and Kevin Walters.

“It was such a hard time in 2018, knowing which side to take,” Pangai said about the in-fighting at Brisbane.

“Do you take the side of the CEO and what they’re trying to achieve? Or do you take the side of the best coach in the game and someone who I came to this club just to be coached by? It was sad the way it ended with Wayne.

Tevita Pangai jnr is on the move. He will make a pit-stop at the Panthers before joining the Bulldogs.
Tevita Pangai jnr is on the move. He will make a pit-stop at the Panthers before joining the Bulldogs.CREDIT:NRL PHOTOS

“He’s one of the greatest coaches. He knew how to coach me. I wouldn’t say I’m different, but he knew how to get the best out of me. But at the end of the day it’s up to me to put in consistent performances. Payne Haas has had three different coaches, but his performances don’t waiver. That’s what great athletes do, when there’s adversity they can still play great footy.”

While his decision to join Canterbury on a three-year, $2.2 million deal from next season was made before Gould was appointed as the club’s new general manager, there’s no doubt Pangai believes ‘Gus’ and Trent Barrett can have a similar impact on his career.

“I love the roster they are building,” Pangai said of the Bulldogs.

“I’ve heard a lot about Trent and the way he sees the game. David Furner (Canterbury assistant coach) signed me when I was a young boy at Newcastle to go to the Raiders. Having him there looking after my defence and holding me accountable, then having Trent Barrett who is one of the greatest attacking minds in the game, **it was an easy choice for me to go to the Dogs.**

“Sonny is a good influence on me. In this time in my life I want to be around good people and strong-minded people.”

Tevita Pangai Junior on Sonny Bill Williams
“The attraction of working with Gus and him working his magic with the roster, I think it’s going to be back to being a strong club again. It’s a big club, and once big clubs get rolling they are hard to stop. With Gus back, there’s only good days ahead.”

One of the concerns clubs had about signing Pangai was a perception that his character was questionable.

It’s something the Wests Tigers tried to float when they originally pulled out of the race for his signature - before coming back to the table with $400,000 more than they were first willing to spend.

While Pangai had no bad words to say about the Tigers, he is already making plans to ensure he has a support network around him to transform into one of the game’s premier forwards when he arrives in Sydney in the off-season.

“I won’t live too far away from Sonny,” Pangai said.

“I will be making sure I’m living around good people. Sonny is a good influence on me. In this time in my life I want to be around good people and strong-minded people.”

As for the decision to turn down an offer from the Tigers?

“It’s nothing against the Tigers,” Pangai said.

“I just felt the roster the Bulldogs were building suited me. I’m sure the Tigers will build. They have a great coach in Michael Maguire that’s won a comp as a coach. Not many coaches can say they’ve gone to the big dance and won. I’m sure that they’ll find good players and build a good team.

“Michael Maguire and Adam Hartigan (Wests Tigers general manager) are good fellas. **But at this time in my career I feel the Bulldogs are the best for me with their roster and coaching staff.”**

Canterbury decided against signing Pangai for the rest of the year. It didn’t make much financial sense for the Bulldogs to waste salary cap space on a season that is already gone.

Given a fortnight earlier Penrith had decided against pursuing the 25-year-old in a cameo role for the remainder of the year, it seemed as though Pangai would finish the year at Brisbane.

Then on Wednesday, following the news of James Fisher-Harris’ return to Sydney to attend the birth of his child, the doors opened for Pangai.

“I thought it was all dead and buried,” Pangai said. “But I spoke to Ivan and Cameron Ciraldo and wanted to strike something. I told them I was willing to come. I know they have a strong team already. I’m glad I got the consent of the Broncos and Bulldogs. They’ve been helpful letting me go to a club like the Panthers. I think it will be a good for my development.”

Pangai will join the Panthers at their Sunshine Coast hotel on August 2 and play his first game for Penrith in that round against the Roosters, setting himself up with a chance to go from wooden spoon to a premiership. Some say he’s a risk to what the Panthers have built, but he insists Penrith aren’t taking a gamble on him.

“I don’t think it’s too much of a risk,” he said. “If it’s a small role off the bench or if it’s just helping out at training running shapes for the reserve grade team - I’m just happy to help out and learn, man.

“I want to learn off the great players they have like Nathan Cleary and the great coaches like Ciraldo and Ivan.”

 

[Yossarian]

And if he signed with us he’d be making similar comments about us…

 

[tony soprano]

Pangai jnr reveals why he chose the Bulldogs
By Michael Chammas

Inside a modest suburban home on Cressy Street in Canterbury, an eight-year-old Tevita Pangai jnr watched on with his family as the Bulldogs lifted the 2004 premiership.

“There were blue and white cars going off in the streets,” Pangai recalls.

Tevita Pangai Junior will join the Bulldogs via Penrith.
Tevita Pangai Junior will join the Bulldogs via Penrith.CREDIT:NRL PHOTOS

“Houses were painted blue and white. It was crazy. The whole place was crazy. I still remember it was Sonny’s (Bill Williams) first year. As a young Polynesian kid having a blinder of a year, for me as a young kid to see that was something I aspired to be like.”

It was the last time Belmore celebrated a title. Seventeen years on Pangai is preparing to return to a success-starved community looking to put the bite back in the once proud club.

But the excitement of what lies ahead, a pit-stop at the high-flying Panthers before linking with the Bulldogs in the off-season, took a back seat as the realisation hit home on Wednesday.

With the ink still drying on his termination with the Broncos, Pangai picked up the phone and dialled his old coach last night.

Tevita Pangai Jr takes instructions from former coach Wayne Bennett during their time together at the Brisbane Broncos in 2018.
Tevita Pangai Jr takes instructions from former coach Wayne Bennett during their time together at the Brisbane Broncos in 2018.CREDIT:GETTY IMAGES

“I can’t believe it’s over,” Pangai told his mentor Wayne Bennett.

“I’m really disappointed. I came to Brisbane as a 19-year-old to play under Wayne. To leave now is really sad. I made my debut at this club. I’m really disappointed leaving the playing group. I’m going to miss them.

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“I didn’t want to leave. I’m shattered I have to leave, but that’s footy. Sometimes you get the tap on the shoulder and you have to make way. They said it would be best for both parties. Ben Ikin (new Broncos general manager) is a nice fella. I got to know him for a few weeks.

“It was different not seeing him on my screen every night. Both him and Dave Donaghy have been great to me. I’m happy they get what they want and I get what I want, which is an opportunity to work with Gus and Trent in Sydney.”

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Power couple: Phil Gould and Steve Hansen are on the verge of forming an alliance that will be the envy of all rugby league and union clubs.
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Pangai, who personally phoned Bennett during his time at the Raiders to land a deal at the Broncos, has struggled to live up to the hype that was set during his time under the veteran coach.

While he admitted Bennett’s exit had a huge impact on his football, he refused to use it as an excuse for his inability to consistently perform at a high level under Anthony Seibold and Kevin Walters.

“It was such a hard time in 2018, knowing which side to take,” Pangai said about the in-fighting at Brisbane.

“Do you take the side of the CEO and what they’re trying to achieve? Or do you take the side of the best coach in the game and someone who I came to this club just to be coached by? It was sad the way it ended with Wayne.

Tevita Pangai jnr is on the move. He will make a pit-stop at the Panthers before joining the Bulldogs.
Tevita Pangai jnr is on the move. He will make a pit-stop at the Panthers before joining the Bulldogs.CREDIT:NRL PHOTOS

“He’s one of the greatest coaches. He knew how to coach me. I wouldn’t say I’m different, but he knew how to get the best out of me. But at the end of the day it’s up to me to put in consistent performances. Payne Haas has had three different coaches, but his performances don’t waiver. That’s what great athletes do, when there’s adversity they can still play great footy.”

While his decision to join Canterbury on a three-year, $2.2 million deal from next season was made before Gould was appointed as the club’s new general manager, there’s no doubt Pangai believes ‘Gus’ and Trent Barrett can have a similar impact on his career.

“I love the roster they are building,” Pangai said of the Bulldogs.

“I’ve heard a lot about Trent and the way he sees the game. David Furner (Canterbury assistant coach) signed me when I was a young boy at Newcastle to go to the Raiders. Having him there looking after my defence and holding me accountable, then having Trent Barrett who is one of the greatest attacking minds in the game, **it was an easy choice for me to go to the Dogs.**

“Sonny is a good influence on me. In this time in my life I want to be around good people and strong-minded people.”

Tevita Pangai Junior on Sonny Bill Williams
“The attraction of working with Gus and him working his magic with the roster, I think it’s going to be back to being a strong club again. It’s a big club, and once big clubs get rolling they are hard to stop. With Gus back, there’s only good days ahead.”

One of the concerns clubs had about signing Pangai was a perception that his character was questionable.

It’s something the Wests Tigers tried to float when they originally pulled out of the race for his signature - before coming back to the table with $400,000 more than they were first willing to spend.

While Pangai had no bad words to say about the Tigers, he is already making plans to ensure he has a support network around him to transform into one of the game’s premier forwards when he arrives in Sydney in the off-season.

“I won’t live too far away from Sonny,” Pangai said.

“I will be making sure I’m living around good people. Sonny is a good influence on me. In this time in my life I want to be around good people and strong-minded people.”

As for the decision to turn down an offer from the Tigers?

“It’s nothing against the Tigers,” Pangai said.

“I just felt the roster the Bulldogs were building suited me. I’m sure the Tigers will build. They have a great coach in Michael Maguire that’s won a comp as a coach. Not many coaches can say they’ve gone to the big dance and won. I’m sure that they’ll find good players and build a good team.

“Michael Maguire and Adam Hartigan (Wests Tigers general manager) are good fellas. **But at this time in my career I feel the Bulldogs are the best for me with their roster and coaching staff.”**

Canterbury decided against signing Pangai for the rest of the year. It didn’t make much financial sense for the Bulldogs to waste salary cap space on a season that is already gone.

Given a fortnight earlier Penrith had decided against pursuing the 25-year-old in a cameo role for the remainder of the year, it seemed as though Pangai would finish the year at Brisbane.

Then on Wednesday, following the news of James Fisher-Harris’ return to Sydney to attend the birth of his child, the doors opened for Pangai.

“I thought it was all dead and buried,” Pangai said. “But I spoke to Ivan and Cameron Ciraldo and wanted to strike something. I told them I was willing to come. I know they have a strong team already. I’m glad I got the consent of the Broncos and Bulldogs. They’ve been helpful letting me go to a club like the Panthers. I think it will be a good for my development.”

Pangai will join the Panthers at their Sunshine Coast hotel on August 2 and play his first game for Penrith in that round against the Roosters, setting himself up with a chance to go from wooden spoon to a premiership. Some say he’s a risk to what the Panthers have built, but he insists Penrith aren’t taking a gamble on him.

“I don’t think it’s too much of a risk,” he said. “If it’s a small role off the bench or if it’s just helping out at training running shapes for the reserve grade team - I’m just happy to help out and learn, man.

“I want to learn off the great players they have like Nathan Cleary and the great coaches like Ciraldo and Ivan.”

Cool story bro

 

[Don Kershane]

Gee, What a swell guy !

 

[tony soprano]

Shows how close chammas is with Pangai manager

 

[Furious1]

Who cares. Time to move forward. Nothing is achieved by reminiscing.

 

[weststigerman]

Shows how close chammas is with Pangai manager

Yep. That’s where the leak has been coming from.

 

[tony soprano]

Shows how close chammas is with Pangai manager

Yep. That’s where the leak has been coming from.

Unfortunately Laurie is signed there