Paul Green

[mikey]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

You've named him if he comes 🙂

 

[mikey]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

Does that take into account the peptides or cap cheating? Nice little leg ups.

 

[mikey]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

It is more than morals mate, it is about the safety of players.

I know you want him gone too but imo Madge is 10x more of a threat to player safety than Flanagan.

I do subscribe to the theory that he knew about the drug program but do you really think there is any chance at all he would start it again here when every single person/player in rugby league knows about what happened? I agree player safety is a huge factor but I just struggle to think of any scenario at all where he’d even contemplate doing anything along those lines again.

Honest question.

Sorry but that's just laughable to suggest that. 🙂

 

[mikey]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

It is more than morals mate, it is about the safety of players.

I doubt he'd do it again.

So player safety aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

You can't put player safety aside, he is not worth the risk.

It would take very poor or non existent management not to see a drug program going on. So I see your point.

Player safety....you mean like a coach leaving a 21 year old kid on the field after he was knocked out cold.
(Excuses about medical advice are bunkum. We all saw Cini get knocked out)
There was no advantage in replacing him so Madge left him out there.
He has no shame.

Ditto with the agenda. 🙂

 

[mikey]

Can't see the WT gambling on Green, he's had a real fall from grace over the past couple of years. My preference would be for Ciraldo, I think the defensive structures he's put in place at the Panthers have clearly worked over the past couple of years and from what I've heard he has good rapport with the players.

I don't like how things transpired at the Sharks, but I've got no doubt Flanagan could get more out of our mob than Madge, and I'm pretty confident we would play with some type of structure and shape in attack and defence. Above all else, we need fresh assistant coaches to come in with the new coach.

The only coaching staff I'd be keeping is the KOE coach and Wayne Lambkin from Flegg.

Flanagan sides were pretty dour, would fight over a bone and win 14-12 in ugly matches. Was that him or his playing group of Lewis, Ennis, Gallen etc.

Our team couldn’t play like that.

Yeah I know, it was a real trademark of his coaching style, really get into the grind and bash the opposition until you crack them. I'd also like to see Hartigan and Pascoe out the door - I think Pascoe has done some very good things for the club off the field - Hartigan, I'm less certain about any highlights he's had since being at the club, but they are both intertwined with achieving success on the field and I reckon they've both had a shocker this year.

As far as CEO's go, I think you need to target people with astute business acumen, people who know how businesses run and what it takes to generate investment, income and longevity. Above all else, I think the CEO doesn't really need to focus about what's happening on the field so much as opposed to making the club successful off the field - develop a business plan and set about achieving it. Leave the player performance to the Football Manager, coaches and development staff - that's their specialty.

The football manager needs to be as equally switched on and someone who has a keen eye for talent, and I'd be looking at recently retired players who have a keen understanding of the game - this is where I'd take a punt on the likes of Farah, Lawrence - two guys who both obtained good educational qualifications at the Tigers and understand the modern game and have a keen eye for identifying talent and being able to sell the club in contract negotiations. Marshall is much maligned on here these days, but he's pretty sharp between the ears also and would probably make a decent football manager, but that's a separate conversation. I think having contemporary rugby league experience in this role is important.

We're all over the constant slide of the teamand once again falling for wanting instant results.
This year we saw the possible emergence of promising juniors. I'd be giving Hartigan at least another year to see if the long-term recruiting bears fruit.
Pascoe does a great job getting the $ but I'd remove him completely from recruiting decisions to see if that makes a difference.
The biggest thing for me is getting everyone onboard with whatever 'the vision' is. Divisiveness and self-interest are our two biggest killers imo.

 

[mikey]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

It is more than morals mate, it is about the safety of players.

I doubt he'd do it again.

So player safety aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

You can't put player safety aside, he is not worth the risk.

It would take very poor or non existent management not to see a drug program going on. So I see your point.

Player safety....you mean like a coach leaving a 21 year old kid on the field after he was knocked out cold.
(Excuses about medical advice are bunkum. We all saw Cini get knocked out)
There was no advantage in replacing him so Madge left him out there.
He has no shame.

Ditto with the agenda. 🙂

What rubbish! The coach has absolutely no say on who stays on or comes off if HIA is needed. It's determined by independent medical advice at the ground. It cannot be overruled by a coach or team official. Stop making stuff up!

Umm.... did you understand my post? It's not a criticism of the coach......

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

 

[Tcat]

Can't see the WT gambling on Green, he's had a real fall from grace over the past couple of years. My preference would be for Ciraldo, I think the defensive structures he's put in place at the Panthers have clearly worked over the past couple of years and from what I've heard he has good rapport with the players.

I don't like how things transpired at the Sharks, but I've got no doubt Flanagan could get more out of our mob than Madge, and I'm pretty confident we would play with some type of structure and shape in attack and defence. Above all else, we need fresh assistant coaches to come in with the new coach.

The only coaching staff I'd be keeping is the KOE coach and Wayne Lambkin from Flegg.

Flanagan sides were pretty dour, would fight over a bone and win 14-12 in ugly matches. Was that him or his playing group of Lewis, Ennis, Gallen etc.

Our team couldn’t play like that.

Yeah I know, it was a real trademark of his coaching style, really get into the grind and bash the opposition until you crack them. I'd also like to see Hartigan and Pascoe out the door - I think Pascoe has done some very good things for the club off the field - Hartigan, I'm less certain about any highlights he's had since being at the club, but they are both intertwined with achieving success on the field and I reckon they've both had a shocker this year.

As far as CEO's go, I think you need to target people with astute business acumen, people who know how businesses run and what it takes to generate investment, income and longevity. Above all else, I think the CEO doesn't really need to focus about what's happening on the field so much as opposed to making the club successful off the field - develop a business plan and set about achieving it. Leave the player performance to the Football Manager, coaches and development staff - that's their specialty.

The football manager needs to be as equally switched on and someone who has a keen eye for talent, and I'd be looking at recently retired players who have a keen understanding of the game - this is where I'd take a punt on the likes of Farah, Lawrence - two guys who both obtained good educational qualifications at the Tigers and understand the modern game and have a keen eye for identifying talent and being able to sell the club in contract negotiations. Marshall is much maligned on here these days, but he's pretty sharp between the ears also and would probably make a decent football manager, but that's a separate conversation. I think having contemporary rugby league experience in this role is important.

If I compare us to the top sides, it’s just a given that they have a lot of cash in the bank. You don’t hear people talking about their management and their business skills. What you hear is Russell Crowe entertaining players at his ranch, Craig Bellamy arranging players work with tradies to develop their ethos, Nick Politis golfing with players or sorting out their new choppers.

I think we need management that put away the corporate spin and make players feel loved, roll out the welcome mat, not some made up vision of being a ‘destination’. I don’t really know what goes on behind the scenes but that doco just made the club appear like a gimmick.

Cmon mate. What, a Brayden's Lawyers scarf and free parmi at Wests Leagues club isn't good enough for someone.

 

[Demps]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

Yep

 

[Guest]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

Yep

I'm struggling to understand why people are so off a successful coach like Flanno.
Let's presume he was guilty.
Who hasn't done something in their past that they're ashamed of?
It doesn't define you. You are who you are now. You can choose to do only good things now.
Everyone deserves that chance, even Flanno.
(I'm not talking about recidivists)

 

[Demps]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

Yep

I'm struggling to understand why people are so off a successful coach like Flanno.
Let's presume he was guilty.
Who hasn't done something in their past that they're ashamed of?
It doesn't define you. You are who you are now. You can choose to do only good things now.
Everyone deserves that chance, even Flanno.
(I'm not talking about recidivists)

Im not keen on Kyle...

I'd take Xerri though.

 

[hank37w]

I feel strange. I agree with Hooper. Paul Green is not the right coach for Wests Tigers.

He's said some good things tonight. Going to get a medical tomorrow. Agreeing with him a lot tonight.

On fire aye.

Maybe he should be the CEO

Got a better haircut than the current one.

 

[hank37w]

We can never compete with the Roosters, Storm etc… by trying to copy what they do. We need an ‘out of the box’ approach. The Wests Tigers identity at its best has been ‘no matter how many you score, we will score more’. Why not embrace this 100% and employ the Walker brothers. Madge’s old school focus on defence has backfired… bring back the fun and entertainment. What the Walkers have achieved on a shoestring budget has been awesome. Imagine what they could do with our Salary Cap in a strong position and the Centre of Excellence. While we are at it we could employ Benji as the assistant coach to train up the young ones in entertaining footy. [We may even snag a new halfback😎 ]

Don't need the Walker Brothers, Brooks has already mastered that short kick off.

 

[hank37w]

I must be in the ultra ultra minority because I'd be happy with Flanno.
He still denies he knew about the peptides but let's just assume he did. He's paid his penalty, he's a bloody good coach and his players all supported him.
Don't we give people a second chance?

Morals aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

It is more than morals mate, it is about the safety of players.

I doubt he'd do it again.

So player safety aside, he's the best coach available. He's better than Madge.

You can't put player safety aside, he is not worth the risk.

It would take very poor or non existent management not to see a drug program going on. So I see your point.

Player safety....you mean like a coach leaving a 21 year old kid on the field after he was knocked out cold.
(Excuses about medical advice are bunkum. We all saw Cini get knocked out)
There was no advantage in replacing him so Madge left him out there.
He has no shame.

Seeing if he could catch better with concussion?

Well, Madge did tell him as they ran out, "knock yourself out son."

 

[happy_tiger]

Paul Green is the poor man's Madge Maguire

Give us Jonathan Thurston , Michael Morgan at the top of his game , Taumalolo and we'd improve overnight

 

[mikey]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

Yep

I'm struggling to understand why people are so off a successful coach like Flanno.
Let's presume he was guilty.
Who hasn't done something in their past that they're ashamed of?
It doesn't define you. You are who you are now. You can choose to do only good things now.
Everyone deserves that chance, even Flanno.
(I'm not talking about recidivists)

Agree with you on redemption and paying your dues in most cases but, (and maybe this illogical), cheating in sport is somehow different to me. It's not forced by economic circumstances or upbringing or even just being evil - it's just doing the wrong thing for your personal gain. Just like Flanagan, I would never want to see Simona back in the game. Don't even know why Fox Sports employ Flanagan.

 

[cochise]

Preferably, i'd stick with Madge. Just wish he was more ruthless in his team selections... talks tough in a post-presser but picks the same old a few days later.
Flanno's an ex-Maggie and yes, he was a hard-head with a habit of toeing the line, but its that starch... that toughness, ruggedness... that arrogance that you're better than your opponent and with an ingrained desire not to let him get the better of you that we need to instill in the playing group. Blocker's spoken about that mindset before... Never lie down, never give up, just tuck the chin in and keep on swinging.
Flanno's Sharks were littered with rough gentlemen that had a desire to win, however ugly. Thats what he built his team on.
That should be a legacy of the Tigers and Magpies DNA that binds us to our heritage.
Flanno seems to have a connection with this character type, and knows how to deal with it, unlike Madge.
As for Flanno's past indescretions... how much grubbery has Melb introduced to the game and yet Bellyache is lauded as the games greatest ever coach?... Its laughable!
I've said before that I'm proud we've never been associated with grubbery, but what if we change the wording to "Shrewd"?... Both on and off the field... Well, shit!... we're DAMN smart operators!...
Hell, if the Storm and Roosters can do it, why cant we?
I'm sick of being crapped on.
Ruthlessness is the way to go.
Glamour Club?... Pretentious bullcrap!
Fake it 'til you make it?... Well thats worked well for 10 seasons...
We are who we are and there's no side-stepping it... we were built on a tough, uncomprimising, under-dog mentality.
Many of us remember this from both sides before the merger... pity the power-brokers don't.

So you see salary cap cheating and injecting players with unknown substances, which turn out to be banned substances, as the same level of actions?

 

[cochise]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

So would I

 

[cochise]

would rather Green than flanno

Rather gangrene than flanno.

rather Madge over both

Yep

I'm struggling to understand why people are so off a successful coach like Flanno.
Let's presume he was guilty.
Who hasn't done something in their past that they're ashamed of?
It doesn't define you. You are who you are now. You can choose to do only good things now.
Everyone deserves that chance, even Flanno.
(I'm not talking about recidivists)

No I haven't put the lives of young people I had in my care at risk, have you?