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It validated nothing. You reckon taking PE drugs just to be able to take the next step to compete is acceptable. Nice work! A bloke who cheats to make a living from the game is OK?

Never said that - But My Personal Opinion (And a bunch of others)….
What Simona has done, To himself, Our Team and his Team mates is BY FAR worse than what Jarrod Mullen has done....

Disagree all you like.

Ryan Tandy did the same thing - and got a life ban and criminal charges... And is now dead.
Did you disagree so strongly then?
 
FFS buddy. I am not disagreeing with Simona getting a life ban.
I am strongly disagreeing with blokes getting away with massive cheating/fraud/criminal offences who are still playing in the NRL. That is the problem.
Jarred Mullen is a drug cheat mate, are you not able to see that at least?
 
The roids Mullen was taking would not have particularly helped speed up his recovery, he was just getting juiced. Don't feel too sorry for him.
 
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If I was Mullen's teammate I would be disappointed in him, but I would understand he's to make himself a better player.

If I was Simona's teammate I would be absolutely livid

"to make himself a "better" player?"
 
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It validated nothing. You reckon taking PE drugs just to be able to take the next step to compete is acceptable. Nice work! A bloke who cheats to make a living from the game is OK?

Never said that - But My Personal Opinion (And a bunch of others)….
What Simona has done, To himself, Our Team and his Team mates is BY FAR worse than what Jarrod Mullen has done....

Disagree all you like.

Ryan Tandy did the same thing - and got a life ban and criminal charges... And is now dead.
Did you disagree so strongly then?

Yep, you did. "Mullen was simply trying to get back to play" you say. So that is all good?
 
"Make himself a better player"! Give me a break. It's this attitude that nearly destroyed professional road cycling in the 1990s and today threatens sports such as athletics. There is no place for cheats using performance enhancing drugs - be they steroids, EPO, testosterone injections or anything else. First offence should be a 2 year ban. Second offence should be life.
(And for the record, Simona if found guilty should get a life time ban from the NRL as well).
 
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If I was Mullen's teammate I would be disappointed in him, but I would understand he's to make himself a better player.

If I was Simona's teammate I would be absolutely livid

"to make himself a "better" player?"

Trying to make himself a better player.

Ultimately Mullen's hammy is gone, this seems like a desperate attempt to save his career. Not condoning it, but he's not willingly sabotaging his team for a quick buck.
 
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It validated nothing. You reckon taking PE drugs just to be able to take the next step to compete is acceptable. Nice work! A bloke who cheats to make a living from the game is OK?

Never said that - But My Personal Opinion (And a bunch of others)….
What Simona has done, To himself, Our Team and his Team mates is BY FAR worse than what Jarrod Mullen has done....

Disagree all you like.

Ryan Tandy did the same thing - and got a life ban and criminal charges... And is now dead.
Did you disagree so strongly then?

Poor Ryan was the Patsy for the real lowlife of a manager.
 
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It validated nothing. You reckon taking PE drugs just to be able to take the next step to compete is acceptable. Nice work! A bloke who cheats to make a living from the game is OK?

Never said that - But My Personal Opinion (And a bunch of others)….
What Simona has done, To himself, Our Team and his Team mates is BY FAR worse than what Jarrod Mullen has done....

Disagree all you like.

Ryan Tandy did the same thing - and got a life ban and criminal charges... And is now dead.
Did you disagree so strongly then?

Youre wrong batboy - to me that just strenghtens his argument - a life ban is totally unjustified when it leads to someone taking their own life over something that really in the scheme of things is no big deal when compared to the other shit that the NRL allow and condone and welcome back those that do it.
 
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If I was Mullen's teammate I would be disappointed in him, but I would understand he's to make himself a better player.

If I was Simona's teammate I would be absolutely livid

"to make himself a "better" player?"

Trying to make himself a better player.

Ultimately Mullen's hammy is gone, this seems like a desperate attempt to save his career. Not condoning it, but he's not willingly sabotaging his team for a quick buck.

Maybe not but he is cheating - why don't you list what cheating is acceptable and what cheating is not so we all know what we are arguing about.
 
The NRL cant make a decision on punishment based off the players state of mind or effects it may have. They need to hand down their punishment based on the actions of the incident, and only then provide support for the players welfare after the decision. The player has put themselves into this position!

Further to this, the punishment has nothing to do with past indiscretions of players within the game. The only platform that should be used as a guide to forming a punishment, are similar like-for-like incidents. Once those incidents are reviewed and gauged against this current incident, the NRL then need to factor in how much the game has grown since the former incident before forming their punishment. Much like past indiscretions, whether the NRL made the right call back then is not important, but making the right call moving forward is.

This talk about 'little bets' is simply rubbish and a disguise of poor behaviour. If a player has placed any bet on an opposition player to score against them, that player should be banned for life.
 
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Its hard to put into words what he was trying to say and not come off as soft on some forms of cheating as opposed to others….that said, I agree with the principle of what he is saying.

Match fixers destroy the sport. Whenever something remarkable happens you have that nagging thought in the back of your mind that its a setup. That takes away the spontaneous enjoyment of seeing an athlete, footballer, team do something amazing. Which negates the need for you to watch it live. After a while you only take a passing interest.

All cheats are scum but matchfixers are top of the crap heap and if Tim did do this then the life ban is required.

Totally 100% agree.

Sport is built on the idea that you can't predict the outcome and all parties are doing everything they can to win. The minute this becomes in doubt, whether fixing or fraud or tanking, the whole concept of sport falls apart.

It's like the day when you turn 9 and someone tells you that wrestling is staged, and for a lot of people that takes away most of the fun. It becomes more like a movie than a sport, and obviously there's no betting.

Just look at how aggressive cricket was towards match-fixing and how badly that tarnished the sport and reputations of certain players/countries. Tell me, for instance, that nobody thinks of match fixing when the Pakistan cricket team gets mentioned.

Agree with both of you.

I don't think he was excusing the cheating altogether, moreso saying that drug cheats are trying to improve their performance to win, instead of not putting in at all to try to cash out at the TAB.

When it comes to cheating in sport, match fixing is by and far the worst form especially when player(s) are dogging performances to influence the result. It completely undermines the integrity of the game.
 
Mullen has done the wrong thing and needs to be stamped out when the investigation completes its findings and finds him guilty, but I can see why he has done what he has done. The bloke is the walking dead on the field, perpetually injured and likely desperate to just try to remain match fit. He'll be one of those blokes who'll be permanently crippled by the time he's 40.

Even though I empathise with his situation, it doesn't mean I have sympathy. If convicted he should be rubbed out.
 
The main contributing factor in all the arguements that have been stated in this thread,is MONEY..
While there is heaps on offer and in different ways of earning it,you will always get the ones who try to enhance their performance,the criminal elements targeting the weaker athletes who think they won't be caught,the punter who has befriended a sporting identity etc and on it goes…
It used to be the fittest most talented athlete against an opponent of the same caliber playing for a club or team they were proud of for a trophy,award or the glory of being the best without steroids other drugs or large amounts of money on offer....now look at how complicated and fickle sport can be,not a season goes on without some form of indescretion,wether it be drugs,cheating or accusations in some manner or form...betting agencies and the like are to blame because they want to get as much out of the punter as they can,it has in some way diminished sport as it should be.. But without the income and revenue on offer from betting agencies etc some sport would not exist as it is now....who was it that said "MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL" ? I will leave it for you guys to ponder....

As far as penalties etc go..each individual company or corporation has to deal with the situation at hand eg NRL and Simona...they must be aware that these situations set a precedent no matter the ability or potential of an individual,once handed down they must be the same for one and all.....
 
Whether he bet $1 or $1000 it does not matter. The fact that he bet against himself and his team is indefensible and inexcusable. He deserves a hefty penalty for his indiscretions.
 
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If I was Mullen's teammate I would be disappointed in him, but I would understand he's to make himself a better player.

If I was Simona's teammate I would be absolutely livid

"to make himself a "better" player?"

Trying to make himself a better player.

Ultimately Mullen's hammy is gone, this seems like a desperate attempt to save his career. Not condoning it, but he's not willingly sabotaging his team for a quick buck.

Maybe not but he is cheating - why don't you list what cheating is acceptable and what cheating is not so we all know what we are arguing about.

Where did I say it was acceptable? I clearly said I don't condone what he did. It's an act of desperation that will rightfully end his career, which was all but done to begin with. Simona on the other hand is an act of stupidity that will kill his promising career.
 

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