Paul Kent: Wests Tigers’ rebuild taking shape

[Jedi_Tiger]

Nice to read something kind of favourable about our club from one of the Toilet Paper's finest but very much at odds with the "Hire Flanagan, Sack Madge" garbage being peddled at the very same time by his rotund colleague Rothfield. Very odd indeed!

the DT is crap reporting against us pretty much all of the time but at least is has readership as nobody reads SMH or the Australian

Murdoch, defecates everywhere and anywhere for a $

without him knowing foxtel we would be stuck with nein

 

[twentyforty]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

 

[Furious1]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

 

[Snake]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

How anyone can say that Maguire has not been a failure at this club for three seasons is delusional!
Watch the last game there was absolutely no defensive structure holes everywhere! he has had three season to develop a defensive structure .
How anyone can support a coach that
One -has not made a final series in three seasons.
Two -a team on a weekly basis that looks unmotivated / disinterested and plays with no structure .
What is going to be different with Maguire as coach next season NOTHING be careful what you wise for.

 

[twentyforty]

The club needs Madge to be successful more so than the fans do. If we boot Madge now it’s a full blown admission that we haven’t learned anything from our past mistakes. And the future will look very grim. If you’re a self respecting coach you wouldn’t want to follow being fully aware of the limited time you have. I’m not a huge fan of Madge, but what I do like about his MO is he loves winning and as we know, winners aren’t quitters. Ricky said the media painted him as a bad coach until he got some good players and became a good coach.

 

[tigertuff]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I dont care about the scoreboard ,we were never going to win the comp this year. I just want improvement from individuals and then as a team. I really cant see much happening in that space but maybe that is just me.

 

[tigertuff]

We need to hold our nerve with Mage and this regime if we are to ever break this 15 year cycle of failure.

So how long should we hold our nerve for.

 

[happy_tiger]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

How anyone can say that Maguire has not been a failure at this club for three seasons is delusional!
Watch the last game there was absolutely no defensive structure holes everywhere! he has had three season to develop a defensive structure .
How anyone can support a coach that
One -has not made a final series in three seasons.
Two -a team on a weekly basis that looks unmotivated / disinterested and plays with no structure .
What is going to be different with Maguire as coach next season NOTHING be careful what you wise for.

Who would you sign with a better record ...I'll happily replace Madge if we can sign someone who is proven to be a better coach ...but I don't think anyone out there is ....

 

[Spartan117]

We need to hold our nerve with Mage and this regime if we are to ever break this 15 year cycle of failure.

So how long should we hold our nerve for.

At least another 2 Years.

Another year of dead wooding the salary can and for the young players to really develop,

D Laurie
Stefano
Blore
Madden
Simpkin
Simpkins
Thom Mikale

While I think we bungled JAC and TPJ and I like the fact that we aren't panic buying.

 

[Spartan117]

I rate Paul Kent as an objective Journo / Media personality

 

[Kelce68]

Some situations are guaranteed to get worse before they get better, that is a common cyclical cycle. If you keep band-aiding the solution by thinking a change in direction is needed you will never get to the route of the problem.

There are a multitude of variables as to why Tigers can't sign players. I think anyone arguing that the longitudinal lack of success for years on end isn't the main cause are kidding themselves.

There are many explanations as to why results are not there at the moment.

You can point to a wasted and lopsided salary cap.
You can point to glaring squad deficiencies (centre primarily).
You can point to the blooding of a myriad of new and young players over the past few years.
You can point to combinations being fresh and not yet amalgamated.
You can point to the overhauling of a losing and white-anting culture (Marshall, Matterson, Aloiai).

And yes, you can point to coaching structures and selection choices.

But, at best, Madge's direct coaching idiosyncrasies are just a small factor in what is one, albeit key, outcome, which is winning footy games.

As I said the other day, Wests Tigers crave consistency. In the football team, in the off field metrics and in the football department. Let's not uproot our saplings before they've had a chance to fruit.

 

[supercoach]

They rebuild with a focus on junior pathways will head up a dead end street if we can not sign a couple of top notch players to help the kids when they arrive at NRL level, and at present we are struggling to sign fringe first graders.

 

[pawsandclaws1]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I dont care about the scoreboard ,we were never going to win the comp this year. I just want improvement from individuals and then as a team. I really cant see much happening in that space but maybe that is just me.

Agreed. I didn't require wins but my measure is improvement in on-field performance. That has not happened. In fact the reverse has occurred.

 

[tigertuff]

We need to hold our nerve with Mage and this regime if we are to ever break this 15 year cycle of failure.

So how long should we hold our nerve for.

At least another 2 Years.

Another year of dead wooding the salary can and for the young players to really develop,

D Laurie
Stefano
Blore
Madden
Simpkin
Simpkins
Thom Mikale

While I think we bungled JAC and TPJ and I like the fact that we aren't panic buying.

Agree totally on the no panic buying. Im all about developing our own. The dury is still out on Madge being the man to actually develop our next crop though. I am not seeing to much improvement but am happy to be proven wrong.

 

[tigertuff]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

How anyone can say that Maguire has not been a failure at this club for three seasons is delusional!
Watch the last game there was absolutely no defensive structure holes everywhere! he has had three season to develop a defensive structure .
How anyone can support a coach that
One -has not made a final series in three seasons.
Two -a team on a weekly basis that looks unmotivated / disinterested and plays with no structure .
What is going to be different with Maguire as coach next season NOTHING be careful what you wise for.

Who would you sign with a better record ...I'll happily replace Madge if we can sign someone who is proven to be a better coach ...but I don't think anyone out there is ....

John Morris.

 

[tbones10]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

How anyone can say that Maguire has not been a failure at this club for three seasons is delusional!
Watch the last game there was absolutely no defensive structure holes everywhere! he has had three season to develop a defensive structure .
How anyone can support a coach that
One -has not made a final series in three seasons.
Two -a team on a weekly basis that looks unmotivated / disinterested and plays with no structure .
What is going to be different with Maguire as coach next season NOTHING be careful what you wise for.

Who would you sign with a better record ...I'll happily replace Madge if we can sign someone who is proven to be a better coach ...but I don't think anyone out there is ....

Neil Henry-

 

[Kelce68]

There is no evidence that a new coach, particularly with who is available, could get any more out of this particular crop of players.

There is no evidence, that any of the available potential head coaches have any greater pulling power, particularly as a Tigers head coach, than Madge does.

So the old trope becomes '... well, they couldn't do any worse!'

Yes. Yes they absolutely could.

In signings, they could have missed or not identified Laurie, Stefano, Simpkins, Simpkin, Blore and AD.
In results, they could have us running dead last, on no wins.

A change could always be worse.

So if you feel it's going to be beneficial to change the head coach halfway through a rebuild, provide some evidence as to exactly how, with examples, Flanagan, Henry, Cartwright, Ryles, Ciraldo or any of the other possible suitors would improve things.

Specifically.

 

[Kelce68]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

How anyone can say that Maguire has not been a failure at this club for three seasons is delusional!
Watch the last game there was absolutely no defensive structure holes everywhere! he has had three season to develop a defensive structure .
How anyone can support a coach that
One -has not made a final series in three seasons.
Two -a team on a weekly basis that looks unmotivated / disinterested and plays with no structure .
What is going to be different with Maguire as coach next season NOTHING be careful what you wise for.

Who would you sign with a better record ...I'll happily replace Madge if we can sign someone who is proven to be a better coach ...but I don't think anyone out there is ....

John Morris.

He has signed on as a Rabbitohs assistant for 22/23.

 

[851]

There is no evidence that a new coach, particularly with who is available, could get any more out of this particular crop of players.

There is no evidence, that any of the available potential head coaches have any greater pulling power, particularly as a Tigers head coach, than Madge does.

So the old trope becomes '... well, they couldn't do any worse!'

Yes. Yes they absolutely could.

In signings, they could have missed or not identified Laurie, Stefano, Simpkins, Simpkin, Blore and AD.
In results, they could have us running dead last, on no wins.

A change could always be worse.

So if you feel it's going to be beneficial to change the head coach halfway through a rebuild, provide some evidence as to exactly how, with examples, Flanagan, Henry, Cartwright, Ryles, Ciraldo or any of the other possible suitors would improve things.

Specifically.

And you have no evidence Madge will improve the NRL team next year, he has had a million plus to throw at Latrell, big money for JAC, TPJ and Finucane, so he has money but can't attract players.
So how is he going to improve the side, he has failed to improve the side in 3 seasons, he has bought a stack of players who are now what everyone calls duds, so your reasoning is no better than those you are calling out.
I in my opinion, yes just like you I have one, Flanagan or Ciraldo would not only improve the side, but attract some better players.
Ciraldo has improved Penriths defence enormously, something Madge can't acheive here

 

[tigertuff]

Those who think Madge has failed are only looking at the scoreboard each week.

I see your sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but lets be honest, when you're in the business of winning footy games thats a pretty important indicator.

How anyone can say that Maguire has not been a failure at this club for three seasons is delusional!
Watch the last game there was absolutely no defensive structure holes everywhere! he has had three season to develop a defensive structure .
How anyone can support a coach that
One -has not made a final series in three seasons.
Two -a team on a weekly basis that looks unmotivated / disinterested and plays with no structure .
What is going to be different with Maguire as coach next season NOTHING be careful what you wise for.

Who would you sign with a better record ...I'll happily replace Madge if we can sign someone who is proven to be a better coach ...but I don't think anyone out there is ....

John Morris.

He has signed on as a Rabbitohs assistant for 22/23.

Im sure he would have a "get out clause" if another coaching gig was made available to him.