Penalty Count v eels

[Russell]

Where are you Peter V'Landys when we need you.

Referees and MRC need sorting out big time. It is bringing the game into disrepute.

Packer should not have been put on report for a crusher. Brown put on report for play acting that it was a crusher. AD was not a shoulder charge, he was in the process of putting his arm around Sivo. If this in fact was deemed to be a SC then Sivo in the same tackle should be charged as well for the same offence.

 

[JC99]

If we don’t want to be on the wrong end of penalty counts we need to start dominating games. If you’re not dominating tackles then obviously you’ll get pinged for 6 agains. If you’re not making big runs and good yardage then they’ll hold you down longer.

Our discipline has been bang average in all our losses, lots of unforced errors and stupid penalties.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

9-2 to eels in first 70 minutes. Then finishing at 10-8 after the game is too far out of reach, to make it look like it was even.

9-2 to eels in first 70 minutes. Then finishing at 10-8 after the game is too far out of reach, to make it look like it was even.

I was close. Penalties ended up 8-2 to Eels. No make-up penalties for us at end though.

Well watching the game it seemed that the Eels were allowed more latitude than us at the play the ball and our ruck speed was faster.
Penalty count 8 -2 unsurprising some ill discipline however tad lob sided, there were a few times i was ? the decisions. (3)
What really hurt us was our completion rate 72% and to beat a top 4 team you need around 85%, overall our defense was better 90.7% shows we are going in the right direction.
You can't criticize ref's anymore take Manly's case although he used the incorrect language which that's all the media highlighted as directed by the NRL the ref decision was incorrect. There should be a fantasy rating for refs as well.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

Where are you Peter V'Landys when we need you.

Referees and MRC need sorting out big time. It is bringing the game into disrepute.

Packer should not have been put on report for a crusher. Brown put on report for play acting that it was a crusher. AD was not a shoulder charge, he was in the process of putting his arm around Sivo. If this in fact was deemed to be a SC then Sivo in the same tackle should be charged as well for the same offence.

The commentators that call the game are the one's talking about crushers, shoulder charges etc, i think they have instructions by the NRL to as much as possible agree with the refs decisions, unless there is a howler that is too obvious to cover up, that way us supporters think there objectionable.

 

[diedpretty]

Brown's crusher was actually funny.
Forget the wrestle, we need an acting coach.

It was an absolute joke and he milked a penalty without doubt
He should be suspended for it
We dont want our game do end up like soccer
I can't stand it when players milk penalties

Also at one stage Doueihi wanted to challenge a call and the ref said it was to late
I thought he asked well before the 26 seconds they gave against us in a previous game

What standards do the refs use when refereeing our games

Ricky has already called out the NRL over players milking penalties and said the same thing about not wanting the game to sink to the level of soccer. You have to applaud him - he is not afraid to speak his mind when he sees something wrong. The NRL response? Silence.

 

[Russell]

If we don’t want to be on the wrong end of penalty counts we need to start dominating games. If you’re not dominating tackles then obviously you’ll get pinged for 6 agains. If you’re not making big runs and good yardage then they’ll hold you down longer.

Our discipline has been bang average in all our losses, lots of unforced errors and stupid penalties.

We understand if you hold down too long you get pinged for 6 again. We understand discapline.

What you don't understand is what we are saying is - we want the same ruling if they hold down just as long.

If you rewatch this game and any of our games since the introduction of the 6 again rule....this is not happening.

 

[JD Tiger]

A person could legitimately say that there are occasions in every game where every team should have received a penalty or a '6 again' call, and it was missed. You win some, you lose some. Luck of the draw. Humans are not perfect, mistakes are made. Fair enough.

When the luck is against you in every game, and you receive less calls than the other team in every game, so consistently, then that is not luck. To pass it off as an unconscious bias humans have towards the teams who are thought to perform better, is still a bias, it is by it's very definition unfair.

It is either that unconscious bias or a deliberate bias or no bias at all and we are either genuinely the more ill-disciplined team every single week or the most unlucky team every single week. I don't believe the third or fourth options for a second. No one is that unlucky or that undisciplined. That only leaves us with the other two options, both of bias against us.

Absolutely sick of it, and I don't understand how the WT can put up with it without making a stand against the administration.

 

[JC99]

If we don’t want to be on the wrong end of penalty counts we need to start dominating games. If you’re not dominating tackles then obviously you’ll get pinged for 6 agains. If you’re not making big runs and good yardage then they’ll hold you down longer.

Our discipline has been bang average in all our losses, lots of unforced errors and stupid penalties.

We understand if you hold down too long you get pinged for 6 again. We understand discapline.

What you don't understand is what we are saying is - we want the same ruling if they hold down just as long.

If you rewatch this game and any of our games since the introduction of the 6 again rule....this is not happening.

That happens every so often but it’s not constantly as people on here make it out to be. It’s no coincidence we are on the worse end of the calls every week, there’s no conspiracy, fact is statistically we make less post contact metres than almost every team.

That means we are getting stopped and put on our backs, refs aren’t gonna give six agains when you’re On your back slowly getting up we need to find our front and fight to play the ball. It’s not the same tackles that are giving them 6 agains it’s them fighting to play the ball and us laying on our backs waiting to be let up.

Mbye last night needlessly held down an Eels player for 5 seconds and everyone on here blew up at the refs. Time to make the players accountable.

 

[Russell]

If we don’t want to be on the wrong end of penalty counts we need to start dominating games. If you’re not dominating tackles then obviously you’ll get pinged for 6 agains. If you’re not making big runs and good yardage then they’ll hold you down longer.

Our discipline has been bang average in all our losses, lots of unforced errors and stupid penalties.

We understand if you hold down too long you get pinged for 6 again. We understand discapline.

What you don't understand is what we are saying is - we want the same ruling if they hold down just as long.

If you rewatch this game and any of our games since the introduction of the 6 again rule....this is not happening.

That happens every so often but it’s not constantly as people on here make it out to be. It’s no coincidence we are on the worse end of the calls every week, there’s no conspiracy, fact is statistically we make less post contact metres than almost every team.

That means we are getting stopped and put on our backs, refs aren’t gonna give six agains when you’re On your back slowly getting up we need to find our front and fight to play the ball. It’s not the same tackles that are giving them 6 agains it’s them fighting to play the ball and us laying on our backs waiting to be let up.

Mbye last night needlessly held down an Eels player for 5 seconds and everyone on here blew up at the refs. Time to make the players accountable.

Ok Whatever.

 

[Tigerbuck63]

A person could legitimately say that there are occasions in every game where every team should have received a penalty or a '6 again' call, and it was missed. You win some, you lose some. Luck of the draw. Humans are not perfect, mistakes are made. Fair enough.

When the luck is against you in every game, and you receive less calls than the other team in every game, so consistently, then that is not luck. To pass it off as an unconscious bias humans have towards the teams who are thought to perform better, is still a bias, it is by it's very definition unfair.

It is either that unconscious bias or a deliberate bias or no bias at all and we are either genuinely the more ill-disciplined team every single week or the most unlucky team every single week. I don't believe the third or fourth options for a second. No one is that unlucky or that undisciplined. That only leaves us with the other two options, both of bias against us.

Absolutely sick of it, and I don't understand how the WT can put up with it without making a stand against the administration.

Well the NRL have made it so that you can't call out the Ref's anymore without substantial penalties or sanctions. A great example was last year's GF with a 6 again call, I think some teams are certainly given more latitude than others.

 

[JD Tiger]

Total figures of penalties and Set Restarts don't portray accurately what influenced the game. As in a Set Restart given on the first tackle 20 metres from your own line has a much different affect than when given on the last tackle 5 metres out from your opponent's tryline. The same can be said for penalties also. That being said, fwiw, here are some figures.

Penalties 2020 Wests Tigers (from NRL.com)
(Figures written with WT first, other team second)

Penalties
R1 Dragons 7-2
R2 Knights 7-7
R3 Sharks 5-3
R4 Titans 1-4
R5 Raiders 6-10
R6 Cowboys 4-8
R7 Bulldogs 3-5
R8 Penrith 5-10
R9 Souths 5-6
R10 Broncos 4-3
R11 Eels 2-8

Set Restarts (Taken from Fox Sports Lab Stats - NRL.com doesn't have them)
(Figures written with WT first, other team second)

R1 Dragons
R2 Knights
R3 Sharks 2-5
R4 Titans 2-4
R5 Raiders 4-5
R6 Cowboys 6-5
R7 Bulldogs 3-4
R8 Penrith 7-5
R9 Souths 1-5
R10 Broncos 5-6
R11 Eels 2-3

 

[Furious1]

Total figures of penalties and Set Restarts don't portray accurately what influenced the game. As in a Set Restart given on the first tackle 20 metres from your own line has a much different affect than when given on the last tackle 5 metres out from your opponent's tryline. The same can be said for penalties also. That being said, fwiw, here are some figures.

Penalties 2020 Wests Tigers (from NRL.com)
(Figures written with WT first, other team second)

Penalties
R1 Dragons 7-2
R2 Knights 7-7

**> R3 Sharks 5-3
R4 Titans 1-4
R5 Raiders 6-10
R6 Cowboys 4-8
R7 Bulldogs 3-5
R8 Penrith 5-10
R9 Souths 5-6
R10 Broncos 4-3
R11 Eels 2-8**

Set Restarts (Taken from Fox Sports Lab Stats - NRL.com doesn't have them)
(Figures written with WT first, other team second)

R1 Dragons
R2 Knights
R3 Sharks 2-5
R4 Titans 2-4
R5 Raiders 4-5
R6 Cowboys 6-5
R7 Bulldogs 3-4
R8 Penrith 7-5
R9 Souths 1-5
R10 Broncos 5-6
R11 Eels 2-3

Playing more physical is resulting in our discipline failing a little. (that and being shafted)

 

[happy_tiger]

I'd like a slight adjustment to the set restarts

The referee when he calls a restart must show a certain number of fingers so we know what the set restart was for ..either ruck infringement , markers not square etc

 

[851]

If we don’t want to be on the wrong end of penalty counts we need to start dominating games. If you’re not dominating tackles then obviously you’ll get pinged for 6 agains. If you’re not making big runs and good yardage then they’ll hold you down longer.

Our discipline has been bang average in all our losses, lots of unforced errors and stupid penalties.

We understand if you hold down too long you get pinged for 6 again. We understand discapline.

What you don't understand is what we are saying is - we want the same ruling if they hold down just as long.

If you rewatch this game and any of our games since the introduction of the 6 again rule....this is not happening.

Exactly Russ, at one stage 2 parra players were holding Packer down, Sutton yells out "Russell stop milking", shoe on the other foot, penalty parra, every week, the same thing, it is no accident, the same teams get the rub every week as well

 

[innsaneink]

Thanks. JD
... So on average we are one "six to go" less per game than our opps over the nine games
As. Pointed out tho... Where and when are crucial

 

[69-05-41]

Why can't we have stats for extra tackles awarded and the game time that penalties and restarts are given? Currently only penalty counts are widely reported but the number of set restarts are rarely reported. We appear to regularly concede penalties and restarts late in the tackle count, but less regularly receive them late in the count. Sometimes we play teams that are perfect until the dying minutes when strangely the perfection wears off and penalty counts even-up (hello Souffs). Field position is a factor too as receiving a penalty on the opposition's line on tackle one is beneficial to the team penalised, unlike a penalty on tackle five in the attacking team's quarter. Maybe kicking metres from penalties would give some transparency here. Assuming there is no bias why wouldn't the NRL want more transparency around the areas of the game their officials could perceivably use to influence results?

 

[supercoach]

The six again rule has basically given the refs the ability to determine which team wins. Okay I guess they have always had the ability before, but all their calls were under the microscope, not with the six again rule, the play doesn’t stop so the broadcasters go with the play and do not focus on what the six again was for and was it legit. We are not even given a tally of how many each team gets.

You give this power to a bloke like Sutton and he will ride plenty of winners home

 

[Harvey]

Within the space of a few minutes I've read articles on SMH online (yes ....it is not reputable anymore through the NINE takeover), saying that our NRL Lord and Master, Mr V'Landys, decrees that NRL is in the "entertainment business" and that "flexibility" in the case on SBW returning to pick up some cash from under the sombrero of The Rorters is ok.

Well, comedy is entertainment.

Perhaps we should just accept laughable referee and bunker decisions as being part of his master plan of making professional rugby league more akin to Hey Hey It's Saturday.

From behind in a hat, PVL could pass for Dicky Knee

 

[Lauren]

I honestly feel embarrassed watching some of these full grown men kicking their legs or whatever else they do to milk penalties. Reminds me of a toddler kicking and screaming.
Can only imagine the refs would soon put us in our place if our boys were to pull that stunt 😂😂