Penalty tries and tripping

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

What's the difference to a defender trying to hurt an attacker in a conventional tackle?
Seems to be your only gripe. If the attacker doesn't want to be a sitting duck, he shouldn't put himself in the voluntary position he did… Get up.... try to avoid the defence.. make ground... see what's coming.

He fell on a loose ball he didn't lie down on the ground with the ball. As for seeing what's coming, they stay down in that situation (i.e. loose ball in broken play) because they can't see what's coming. They could get hit from any direction. In getting up you put your knees in a bad position should anyone decide to come along and flop on you at that point. I can understand why they stay down and if they don't want that as part of the game then they should start applying the voluntary tackle rule, not declaring people fair game.

In a conventional tackle: the player can take (and usually is taking) action to defend themselves; and you're not compressing them between you and the ground where there is an increased risk of internal injuries. It's not like they're playing on sprung mats out there.

I could pick this to peices, but I'll just say I disagree with you 100%…and leave it at that

Now that is not good enough, I am backing Nelson so far here unless you come up with a haymaker in full detail. Maybe the receiver should be given 1 metre clearance. Another slight advantage to the attacking side seems okay.

 

[innsaneink]

Apparently it's illegal to do what Burgess did… 'sandbagging'... I only learned this today.

So a voluntary tackle is illegal... And dropping heavily on a prone voluntary tacklee is also illegal....

Only in the NRL

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Burgess was careful not to use a swinging arm or elbow, he just cocked his bicep. He would have used the same motion on a regular tackle, not his fault the player was lying around rather than running at his face.

He dropped his right shoulder into him so his body weight was going through a point - his shoulder. Big hits are great to see and aggression is great to see but that's just a mugging. The hit wasn't going to dislodge the ball, he was just maliciously trying to hurt a bloke who, voluntarily or not, was in no position to defend himself from the hit. Imagine if it had been Tedesco on the bottom of that, you would have been incensed.

If he didn't put himself in that position by trying to cheat by taking a dive, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
If Referees aren't going to blow the whistle to stop this happening( diving to the ground ) The only way to stop it . is to make sure that whoever is going to do it, knows that he will still get whacked.
What happens if even more start to do the same thing, the game will become a joke.
If he runs properly he gets tackled, if he dives, it's his decision, his fault

 

[Fade_To_Black]

What's the difference to a defender trying to hurt an attacker in a conventional tackle?
Seems to be your only gripe. If the attacker doesn't want to be a sitting duck, he shouldn't put himself in the voluntary position he did… Get up.... try to avoid the defence.. make ground... see what's coming.

then they should start applying the voluntary tackle rule.

That would be the easiest way to avoid situations like this….ENFORCE THE RULES OF THE GAME FFS. There would be no other professional sport in the world where the rules are so flippantly enforced,it is a farce. You could rattle off at least 10 rules of rugby league that are virtually forgotten about in the NRL at present.
Yet a moron ref will give a penalty one day for not putting the ball in straight in a scrum and cost a team the Grand Final.
Just enforce the bloody rules of the game, it is not that hard.

 

[Nelson]

What's the difference to a defender trying to hurt an attacker in a conventional tackle?
Seems to be your only gripe. If the attacker doesn't want to be a sitting duck, he shouldn't put himself in the voluntary position he did… Get up.... try to avoid the defence.. make ground... see what's coming.

He fell on a loose ball he didn't lie down on the ground with the ball. As for seeing what's coming, they stay down in that situation (i.e. loose ball in broken play) because they can't see what's coming. They could get hit from any direction. In getting up you put your knees in a bad position should anyone decide to come along and flop on you at that point. I can understand why they stay down and if they don't want that as part of the game then they should start applying the voluntary tackle rule, not declaring people fair game.

In a conventional tackle: the player can take (and usually is taking) action to defend themselves; and you're not compressing them between you and the ground where there is an increased risk of internal injuries. It's not like they're playing on sprung mats out there.

I could pick this to peices, but I'll just say I disagree with you 100%…and leave it at that

You may not like it but they can't just disregard player welfare these days. They also want to grow their market and violence for the sake of violence, which is what that was, is not a good look for the game.

 

[Fade_To_Black]

^I'd be more concerned with the Blair hit Nelson, late and high- that should be 10 weeks for a cowardly act…..he will get 3 coz he is a Bronco.
There was nothing wrong with the Burgess tackle IMO.