PERTH REDS

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Please explain what you mean by viable in a country that's average weekly wage is still less than $60?

Also given that it boasts average temperatures of over 30 degrees in season?

Placing an NRL team in PNG should alleviate that average wage problem, even with the salary cap at its current level.

Play most games at night should solve the temperature issues. Everything else should just resolve itself.

 

[Alf_Duguid]

I think PNG would be a more viable option at this point

Please explain what you mean by viable in a country that's average weekly wage is still less than $60?

Also given that it boasts average temperatures of over 30 degrees in season?

I will present my detailed business plan tomorrow for your perusal. In it I will address amongst other things your concerns, as well as a detailed SWOT analysis

 

[Alf_Duguid]

I think PNG would be a more viable option at this point

Please explain what you mean by viable in a country that's average weekly wage is still less than $60?

Also given that it boasts average temperatures of over 30 degrees in season?

I will present my detailed business plan tomorrow for your perusal. In it I will address amongst other things your concerns, as well as a detailed SWOT analysis

Additionally your concerns regarding average weekly wage are irrelevant. Just look at how Penriff have flourished

 

[Trevor_Rawlings]

Looking at Campbelltown, I can see how the wage arguement was founded. You couldnt support a team even before it was professional.

Is Jim Masterton still around, then we can play all our games at Campbelltown.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Redemption, forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm presumming you have chosen this name as you feel you have been harshly treated by the happenings of Rugby League in this country. Does this relate to the North Sydney Bears by any chance? There's a few up that way who always feel harshly done by…

As a responce to your Q's, firstly I would say that my points listed only relate to 'some' positives for relocation and by no means does it constitute a guarantee the Franchise will succeed. Either way, I only used an Econimical Study carried out by the Titans back in 2002, well before their Brand was established and in no way does it replicate the current Franchise. One thing is for certain, the Centre of Excellence was not in any plans back in 2002 and an Economical Study doesnt in any way reflect an Existing Businesses Financial status. It focus on the core costs and revenues available for such a business venture to be established. On finishing on the Titans, I cant speak for Searlie's professional interests outside of Rugby League and I very much doubt they are any of your business either?!

To answer you quickly, The NRL would provide the initial carrot for relocation. Relocation of current franchises is high on the list of the NRL as the preferred method of creating new Franchises, rather than introducing additional franchises. Unfortunately, due to 'pig-headedness', relocation is a rude word around the tables of Sydney Club CEO's. The question of the WA public accepting a relocated team is a good question. The best scenario to this is the Bears. The Central Coast faithful always said they dont want a relocated team and they wont support them. But the truth is simply they will. It may take 5-10 years, but they will. Hence the introduction of the CCB's. They will be no more than the North Sydney Bears relocated...

Unfortunately, you cant use Rugby as an example. 90% of funding for Rugby comes from Governing Bodies and as to sponsorship and players recruitment, again it is over-managed by the governing body. Why havnt the Force recruited any South Africans? Governing Body again brother. No player in their prime is gona turn their back on playing for their country and Rugby rules dont allow this if you are playing in a different country. And as to players coming through the local ranks, Jeremy Smith and Corey Patterson are examples. With stimulation, this will happen over 10 years.

Now, if you would really like to know more, but more importantly, would love to become an investor in such a project, I'd be more than happy to disscuss these matters in more detail. Other than that Red, instead of picking the crap out of peoples blogs, how bout you provide your own vision/ideas for the future of Rugby League to contribute to the debate??!!!

 

[redemption]

Watto,

FYI - Balmain Tigers from day dot & home address(es) in the district for 38 years champ!

Have worked long periods in WA, SA, NT & far north QLD over the past 15 years & know the cultures.

Not nitpicking your blog but honestly questioning some of the premises of your conclusion as to Perth's viability.

I simply do not believe in expansion for expansion's sake (as per the AFL)!

League cannot afford to abandon its heartland or provide ridiculous incentives for expansion that both disadvantages current clubs and disenfranchises their long-term supporter base. The dispensation provided to the Storm until the year they started rorting has proven that

WA & PNG offer no genuine leverage as combined free or pay TV markets for the NRL's next deal. The last one was compromised by conflict of interest with the media partners.

The true market value can be achieved without expansion if the Independent Commission comes about (& if its driver "Searlie" is not in Kuta wiping Parko's botty)!

PS - My name represents a different beef brother!

 

[redemption]

Now, if you would really like to know more, but more importantly, would love to become an investor in such a project, I'd be more than happy to disscuss these matters in more detail. Other than that Red, instead of picking the crap out of peoples blogs, how bout you provide your own vision/ideas for the future of Rugby League to contribute to the debate??!!!

Sorry mate but I could never invest in any corporate entity that might be in direct competition with the Tiges!

I do wish you good luck however as I respect initiative and love the game!

My ideas can only be achieved when the game starts earning to its true potential in its current format - so I'll hold onto them until then.

Cheers.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Watto, I understand your rationale for the relocation of struggling traditional sides, but do you truly believe that by relocating the Cronulla Sharks to Adelaide or Perth that you will boost the membership and following to the point that it will far outweigh the logistical & initial set up costs to make this entity happen in a different area. Sure you will receieve a massive boost first up from the new "local" area, but as a result of the move, you will stand to lose a great deal of the original fan base that you've essentially robbed of a home side, and then you will rely on the novelty becoming entrenched as a permanent fixture in that area.

If Balmain was forced to fold or merge with a club that wasn't another club with a great tradition and history like the Magpies, I would not be following Rugby League today.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Sorry mate but I could never invest in any corporate entity that might be in direct competition with the Tiges!

I do wish you good luck however as I respect initiative and love the game!

My ideas can only be achieved when the game starts earning to its true potential in its current format - so I'll hold onto them until then.

Cheers.

My dream of one day owning the Tigers may or may not come to fruition, but I'm sure It will take many years and long hours to convince/remove some of the old buggers on the current board. Further more, I have no support from my business partners, in fact this idea is there worst nightmare as a few are heavily involved in RL, and they are all one-eyed Bronco supporters…

For now, we can all contribute to the well being of the game by voicing our opinions, as one day, someone will hit the right mix on the head and it will all be simple again.

One thing is for certain, the game can have many investors/corporate identities into the Franchises, but it can not allow corporate enterprise to own the game....
:sign:

 

[Geo]

I'll buy a share in the Wests Tigers …..Watto.....when the time comes....Just let me know how much?

:sign:

Business partners/RL/Broncos supporters.. 😕 ....Why don't you just say Thoroughbreds and be done with it......

Or is that name taboo in QLD.....for now......

 

[Properossi]

At the moment 2 sticking points for me:

1) Not enough Money
2) Not enough Players

Sought those areas out and then we should welcome some new teams, but until then build on what we have!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'll buy a share in the Wests Tigers …..Watto.....when the time comes....Just let me know how much?

:sign:

Business partners/RL/Broncos supporters.. 😕 ....Why don't you just say Thoroughbreds and be done with it......

Or is that name taboo in QLD.....for now......

x 2

 

[Tiger_Watto]

Lol… My wife would divorce me...

She blows up now with the money I spend on them...

 

[redemption]

But you aren't great with numbers brother - such has population stats…

Maybe your beloved has a point?

(Just joking Watto!)

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

Watto, I understand your rationale for the relocation of struggling traditional sides, but do you truly believe that by relocating the Cronulla Sharks to Adelaide or Perth that you will boost the membership and following to the point that it will far outweigh the logistical & initial set up costs to make this entity happen in a different area. Sure you will receieve a massive boost first up from the new "local" area, but as a result of the move, you will stand to lose a great deal of the original fan base that you've essentially robbed of a home side, and then you will rely on the novelty becoming entrenched as a permanent fixture in that area.

I know this is not comparing apples with apples, but a precedent is the Sydney Swans and to a lesser extent, Brisbane Lions. There was interest in AFL in Sydney and despite the Swan's history being South Melbourne and some early troubles in the late 80's early 90's, the end result is a healthy and viable club. It is so healthy the AFL feels there is sufficient market space to have two teams in Sydney.

If there is strong enough interest in Perth and Central Coast, over the long term, the local area will support the relocated clubs as old biases disappear. The same thing is happening in our club, 10 years on and now our young fans support Wests Tigers and have no interest in either Western Suburbs or Balmain. The focus has to be long term.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Thats exactly my point though Gary, you are essentially relying on the new location to make the entity viable, because I can guarantee the area you relocate from, 90% of that fan base will disappear or find a new club to follow. So in doing so, you have to garner enough interest before you set up and then once you relocate you hope that the new area continues to support the team.

As said previously, there aren't enough NRL standard players to fill 18 teams. But it is in the franchises' interest (and the NRL too,) to ensure that the Perth Reds will be a successful side in the early years (ala Melbourne '99) so that the fledgling fan base continues to support the team. If they relocate the Sharks and continue with their stellar recruitment strategy you could well find that they'd be better off pulling 5,000 people at Shark Park. The "new" franchise would have to realise immediate success, otherwise the move could prove fatal.

I'm all for it if the market is there, I would like to see the NRL expand again, but not to the detriment of the existing clubs and moreover, to the game itself.