Player development our Achilles heel

AJ1

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Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.
 
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398166) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398165) said:
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398164) said:
Another thread on this ?

You a mod now ?

Wouldn't u like to know??

It’ll never happen ?
 
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.


It's already been addressed - look at the junior recruitment we have done. The Flegg team is topping the ladder.
 
@the_third said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398173) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.


It's already been addressed - look at the junior recruitment we have done. The Flegg team is topping the ladder.

Sure, the future is looking good for the players coming through. I have issue on how we are developing our current NRL squad or should we stop once they make their debut?
 
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398176) said:
@the_third said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398173) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.


It's already been addressed - look at the junior recruitment we have done. The Flegg team is topping the ladder.

Sure, the future is looking good for the players coming through. I have issue on how we are developing our current NRL squad or should we stop once they make their debut?


that's been discussed to death
 
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398164) said:
Another thread on this ?

Says the guy who makes a live thread for imaginary games during the Origin week
 
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398178) said:
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398164) said:
Another thread on this ?

Says the guy who makes a live thread for imaginary games during the Origin week

Should i be offended by this??

Cause if u r trying to piss me off it aint working bro
 
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398180) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398178) said:
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398164) said:
Another thread on this ?

Says the guy who makes a live thread for imaginary games during the Origin week

Should i be offended by this??

Cause if u r trying to piss me off it aint working bro

No, just implying you should be more respectful of other posters rather than shutting them down. Sure it may have been covered, so perhaps ignore next time?
 
@hobbo1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398167) said:
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398166) said:
@hobbo1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398165) said:
@thedaboss said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398164) said:
Another thread on this ?

You a mod now ?

Wouldn't u like to know??

It’ll never happen ?

ever ......
 
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter
 
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.
 
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398199) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.

I don't know. Do you have any proof that players at our club don't reach their maximum possible level compared to other clubs ?

Storm don't sign marquee players but they pick them up early. Do we have the same level of juniors or development players compared to the Storm ? Does Harry Grant prove anything ? Did JAC do well here or was he a dud ?
 
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398199) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.

Coates marquee ...lol....are you serious ??
 
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398282) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398199) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.

Coates marquee ...lol....are you serious ??

Best winger prospect since Yow Yeh
 
@demps said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398284) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398282) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398199) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.

Coates marquee ...lol....are you serious ??

Best winger prospect since Yow Yeh

Coates and oates ....pass thanks
 
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398286) said:
@demps said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398284) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398282) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398199) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.

Coates marquee ...lol....are you serious ??

Best winger prospect since Yow Yeh

Coates and oates ....pass thanks

Coates, soon to be the best winger in the comp
 
@demps said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398296) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398286) said:
@demps said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398284) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398282) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398199) said:
@happy_tiger said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398197) said:
@aj1 said in [Player development our Achilles heel](/post/1398155) said:
Many would agree since Hartigan joined WT, our recruitment and salary cap management has seen a major improvement compared to previous seasons yet he we are again looking at another missed opportunity of playing finals football. The consensus is we lack the roster of other teams.....or do we?
We are all aware of the talent we've lost over the years whilst we seem to pay overs for plodders who we can't wait to get rid of. We are at both opposite ends of the spectrum.... a retirement club for the NRL and a development club for players who want to attract attention from other teams, lured away with the promise of more money, the chance to play finals footy or both.

Despite our past incompetence, we currently have a more rounded roster with a focus on developing players who excelled in their juniors. Though the elephant in the room for me is our inability to develop our players into the best possible version of themselves.

Looking at the 2021 roster the general observation is many wouldn't make the starting 17 of any NRL team. We've established: Talau, Hoffman, Cini, and AJ are not first grade quality. Garner, Nofo, Lucy, Stefano, Twal, and Blore either lack consistency or have obvious areas of their game requiring improvement. We've also established Packer, Tamou, Roberts, and Joey haven't replicated the form they once did for their previous clubs whilst Doueihi and Mybe have been shuffled around like a pair of deck chairs on the Titanic unable to nail down the one position. Finally, Luke Brooks has the most divided opinion regarding his ability however no one can argue he hasn't lived up to the expectations of being our #1 Playmaker.

That is a sad reflection of where we are as a club however did we get our recruitment wrong? Is Ikin right about our roster being poor?
Personally I feel it is less to do with the players and more to do with how the club are developing them.... how can so many players individually be underachieving? The club has failed our players. Their development is poor. Madge often talks about not having a winning culture at the club and thought Tamou would make a positive and changing impact to our pack however what else is the coaching team doing to make them better footballers? The club has responded to our poor start to the season by bringing Sheens and Kimmorley into the fold. This is hopefully the catalyst the players need however I hate to concede we are a long way off reaping the benefits.

Therefore whilst we struggle to recruit the top echelon of the NRL, even if we were able to sign the best available players I tend to think it would only give us minimum improvement any way. TPJ for instance can't inspire the Broncos from last, how will he improve our team?

Once we start seeing players becoming the best version of themselves only then we should look at recruiting the elite. However for now we have a lot of development work we need to address.

Again if we can't surround the juniors with 4 or 5 Top 50 players it won't matter

This is what I don't totally agree with. Of course we will improve with 4 of the top 50 players however I feel our system would still let us down and we would underachieve. Titans picked up 2 of the best forwards available this year and are struggling, yet Storm who never sign marquee players (until Coates recently) dominate consistently.

Coates marquee ...lol....are you serious ??

Best winger prospect since Yow Yeh

Coates and oates ....pass thanks

Coates, soon to be the best winger in the comp

Far from it at the moment
 

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