Player Managers

[Regan]

Was reading today that Sam Ayoub meet with Parramatta Eels chairman Steve Sharp to write a TPA out side of his contract for Nathan Peats and that Cory Norman meet with eddie Obeid jnr to take cash off him in a car park so that Norman can pay rent on an apartment that Obeid owns and in the same article its states that the manager and player are innocent of cheating the salary cap how can that be no liability and without fault

Do i just not get it am i stupid if you are an accomplice to a crime its not your fault any more … how can they not be banned for two years for cheating... players and managers should have an automatic ban i am sick of it

Please tell me what do you think should happen i think 2 year ban should be automatic for any cheating

 

[ricksen]

in the same article its states that the manager and player are innocent of cheating the salary cap how can that be no liability and without fault

I don't think that's what it said at all.
Greenberg has confirmed that the NRL are commencing an investigation into the agents and players involved now.

 

[supercoach]

Was reading today that Sam Ayoub meet with Parramatta Eels chairman Steve Sharp to write a TPA out side of his contract for Nathan Peats and that Cory Norman meet with eddie Obeid jnr to take cash off him in a car park so that Norman can pay rent on an apartment that Obeid owns and in the same article its states that the manager and player are innocent of cheating the salary cap how can that be no liability and without fault

Do i just not get it am i stupid if you are an accomplice to a crime its not your fault any more … how can they not be banned for two years for cheating... players and managers should have an automatic ban i am sick of it

Please tell me what do you think should happen i think 2 year ban should be automatic for any cheating

I would have thought both the manager and the player should face lengthy bans. In saying that you have to be able to prove they were involved and knew what they were doing…that is hard part

 

[Regan]

in the same article its states that the manager and player are innocent of cheating the salary cap how can that be no liability and without fault

I don't think that's what it said at all.
Greenberg has confirmed that the NRL are commencing an investigation into the agents and players involved now.[/quo

Its was on nine msn and said it… innocent... it got me mad it also talked about Norman in the same article

 

[innsaneink]

Ayoub?
Obeid?
Dodgy dealings?
Surely not!

 

[ricksen]

in the same article its states that the manager and player are innocent of cheating the salary cap how can that be no liability and without fault

I don't think that's what it said at all.
Greenberg has confirmed that the NRL are commencing an investigation into the agents and players involved now.[/quo

Its was on nine msn and said it… innocent... it got me mad it also talked about Norman in the same article

Nope. It actually says -

There is no suggestion of wrongdoing by any of the players, their managers or the Obeids.

That is a LOT different from saying they were innocent.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/07/11/07/37/fallout-continues-from-eels-nrl-cap-woes#qzhJciyJJgdwuEzv.99

 

[tigerap]

Ayoub?
Obeid?
Dodgy dealings?
Surely not!

To that list add the following cleanskins:

Hopoate
Norman

I'm getting sick of this game, its constant objective to cheat the system at any cost and its forever stance on that the players are NEVER involved in any salary cap cheating….I mean Hello if you are given a paper bag full of cash in a car park, surely you know why you are getting it!!!

 

[cqtiger]

Come on guys, that's the whole reason for the brown paper bag in the carpark in the first place. Deniability.

It all ends up as "he said, she said".

Even if you saw it happen, it's your word against theirs and absolutely no evidence trail. This is how the broncs, roosters and others have been doing it for years. Remember Andrew Gee?

 

[Goose]

It is sometimes hard to prove that the players (and managers) know that things are not right.

But if the alleged money in the car park is true, the player must know that is not normal.

I know in the storm 2 books fiasco that the players have been declared non complicit in the cheating, but if they didnt know, why Did Cooper Cronk insist on having the Non-standard clause in the contract all income was being reported to the NRL for salary cap purposes.

He obviously suspected something was up and wanted to protect himself.

 

[Regan]

in the same article its states that the manager and player are innocent of cheating the salary cap how can that be no liability and without fault

I don't think that's what it said at all.
Greenberg has confirmed that the NRL are commencing an investigation into the agents and players involved now.[/quo

Its was on nine msn and said it… innocent... it got me mad it also talked about Norman in the same article

Nope. It actually says -

There is no suggestion of wrongdoing by any of the players, their managers or the Obeids.

That is a LOT different from saying they were innocent.

http://wwos.nine.com.au/2016/07/11/07/37/fallout-continues-from-eels-nrl-cap-woes#qzhJciyJJgdwuEzv.99

It said Innocent it the article I read this morning I will have to find it for you….so you can get bug out of your...

 

[Spartan117]

Ayoub?
Obeid?
Dodgy dealings?
Surely not!

Talking Cheating

Broncos TPAs..

HEY NRL >>> DONT TELL ME THIS IS A FAIR COMP

 

[newtiger]

What about Cam Smith signing 2 contracts, then pleads innocent.
He would make a good politician.

 

[Bones]

It is sometimes hard to prove that the players (and managers) know that things are not right.

But if the alleged money in the car park is true, the player must know that is not normal.

I know in the storm 2 books fiasco that the players have been declared non complicit in the cheating, but if they didnt know, why Did Cooper Cronk insist on having the Non-standard clause in the contract all income was being reported to the NRL for salary cap purposes.

He obviously suspected something was up and wanted to protect himself.

It's a simple solution. Players and clubs each submit a copy of their contract. That way when the player claims lack of knowledge they can go back to the contract they submitted.

I get sick of hearing it's not the players fault as well. If i buy goods i know are stolen i can still be charged even though technically i didn't steal anything. You can't tell me players and managers don't know, they just don't care.

 

[Byron_Bay_Fan]

Eddie Obeid Jnr stated publicly a year ago during initial inquiries re the issue that he would do anything to help the Eels - if only the Tigers had someone in the same vein. Not that I am necessarily condoning their actions.

 

[Regan]

And what about the ATO ?
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But what if the player submitted a copy that he took to a lawyer for separate advice from his manager and has an ABN so can claim back as an expense and the manager submits a copy as well and the club submits a copy they all have to be the same …. cheating and you will be automatically out of the game for two years

But why did they meet in a car park if Tpa's are ok was the money giving to him dirty money could it be some think for the cops to look at ...it opens other questions to be answered

 

[gallagher]

Managers found guilty should get life. Players should get 2 years.
The punishment to the eels is laughable. Now they may get Hayne for this year.

 

[Bones]

Managers found guilty should get life. Players should get 2 years.
The punishment to the eels is laughable. Now they may get Hayne for this year.

I agree. Look at the last 2-3 years it has taken us to get our salary cap mess sorted. Basically the message is "you can take 2 or 3 years to get it fixed legally, or you can cheat and even if you get caught you can still play finals the same year".

Joke.

 

[gallagher]

Makes you wonder if there's any skeletons in the CEO's cupboard that player mangers are keeping up their sleeves.

 

[Harvey]

It is an industry. Look at the increase in wages paid to those @ NRL headquarters, the player wages (without 3rd party) and the 7.5% of that (+dodgy 3rd party deals & money wherever you can get it) taken by their managers.
Who would kill the goose to stop the golden eggs?
If one manager got banned, watch them tell the story and drag others down. It will not happen.

 

[Goose]

The whole cap thing needs to be dismantled. It had two purposes to protect the clubs from themselves over spending on players and equalization.

It does neither. Clubs are broke and the same teams always win.

The NRL should take control of player income (at least distribution) and new methods of equalization introduced.
Drafts, trading systems or even a point based scenario.

They should start again.