Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[stryker]

My problem with this Labor outfit is there inability to see a project through to completion. They have come up with numerous policies - some of which look great at first glance, but are so poorly implemented that they are a joke. I have argued on here many times that their collective lack of business acumen is enough reason to kick them out. Every project runs many multiple units over budget, time and resource allocation. There is never a feasability study or risk assessment carried out. There is very poor communication between departments. There is just an utter lack of management…fullstop.

There is always many reasons to have a whinge about a government, but what I see here is a valid reason....they just do not know what they are doing. I say this without even getting started on the climate and illegal immigrant debates, the precieved 'class wars' nor the distrustful nature of their leadership group.

The Liberals MUST start producing alternatives now. They dont have to show all of their cards, but they must indicate some of their policies. Last election proved there are an enormous amount of dissatisfied swingers out there...by the time the next one comes around my guess is this will be multiplied many times over....

 

[genoshan]

I just finished a teleconference within my company, we have had discussions with our energy suppliers who have told us to allow for a total of 15 % cost increase for electricity. So guess what, we pass these charges on to all our tenants ( shopping centre ) so they in turn will look at increasing their costs by 15 % to cover the extra charges.

The loser in all this … Consumers. The winners, the government get a lot more revenue.

I hope I read too much into this, but it is how it is looking.

Extra 15% of energy , translates to not very much increase in the cost of a birthday cake
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An expensive birthday cake … we spent about 300k on electricity. Thats 45k pa the tenants pay each ... Can you buy me the next birthday cake... never mind, put the cash in my card !

 

[stryker]

Extra 15% of energy , translates to not very much increase in the cost of a birthday cake
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:laughing: come on Rambo…thats a silly thing to say.

 

[Rambo2714]

Extra 15% of energy , translates to not very much increase in the cost of a birthday cake
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come on Rambo…thats a silly thing to say.

I'm just glad some one could appreciate my satire
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[spearby]

When i say no fault of her own , i am referring to the fact that she is leading a minority Govt , we voted the way we and did not give enough seats to any one side for them to form a majority Govt . That is not her fault .

Instead of having an obedient party voting how the party agrees to …..... to get anything done she has to appease the greens and the independents. Something which Abbot couldn't do in his wildest dreams. Its not her fault that it is this way.

what b/s she made her bed nobody else.she should have gone back to the electorate .she lined up with windsor dopeshott and the greens and ever thing she puts to the parliament she has to prostitute her self to get it through has to be the worst govenment i have seen

 

[Yossarian]

When i say no fault of her own , i am referring to the fact that she is leading a minority Govt , we voted the way we and did not give enough seats to any one side for them to form a majority Govt . That is not her fault .

Instead of having an obedient party voting how the party agrees to …..... to get anything done she has to appease the greens and the independents. Something which Abbot couldn't do in his wildest dreams. Its not her fault that it is this way.

what b/s she made her bed nobody else.she should have gone back to the electorate .she lined up with windsor dopeshott and the greens and ever thing she puts to the parliament she has to prostitute her self to get it through has to be the worst govenment i have seen

You think Abbott would have gone to another election? He was offering just as much if not more than Gillard.

 

[spearby]

When i say no fault of her own , i am referring to the fact that she is leading a minority Govt , we voted the way we and did not give enough seats to any one side for them to form a majority Govt . That is not her fault .

Instead of having an obedient party voting how the party agrees to …..... to get anything done she has to appease the greens and the independents. Something which Abbot couldn't do in his wildest dreams. Its not her fault that it is this way.

what b/s she made her bed nobody else.she should have gone back to the electorate .she lined up with windsor dopeshott and the greens and ever thing she puts to the parliament she has to prostitute her self to get it through has to be the worst govenment i have seen

You think Abbott would have gone to another election? He was offering just as much if not more than Gillard.

abbott is not in the drivers seat its gillard so your answer is b/s you get into bed with dogs you can get fleas, thats the trouble everone is all about abbott abbott he is NOT the pm its gillard worst luck

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I'm waiting with baited breath to see what this does to grocery prices.

I work in refrigeration, and currently one of the most common all purpose refrigerants which a large percentage of major supermarket chains operate on is about to increase from about $20 a kilogram purchase price to a burdened price of about $110 a kilogram because it's GWP is 3.85 tonnes per kilogram.

Most stores use about 1000-1200 kilograms of this stuff for their refrigerated showcases and back of house coldroom storage.

New "green" policies have seen more GWP friendly refrigerants and initiatives introduced but it could still cost up to $50K to gas up a new store when currently costs two fifths of that.

That is just refrigerant, imagine what will happen with the cost of all contractors materials and such going up… How are the major chains going to recoup this?

 

[Yossarian]

When i say no fault of her own , i am referring to the fact that she is leading a minority Govt , we voted the way we and did not give enough seats to any one side for them to form a majority Govt . That is not her fault .

Instead of having an obedient party voting how the party agrees to …..... to get anything done she has to appease the greens and the independents. Something which Abbot couldn't do in his wildest dreams. Its not her fault that it is this way.

what b/s she made her bed nobody else.she should have gone back to the electorate .she lined up with windsor dopeshott and the greens and ever thing she puts to the parliament she has to prostitute her self to get it through has to be the worst govenment i have seen

You think Abbott would have gone to another election? He was offering just as much if not more than Gillard.

abbott is not in the drivers seat its gillard so your answer is b/s you get into bed with dogs you can get fleas, thats the trouble everone is all about abbott abbott he is NOT the pm its gillard worst luck

It's a two party system so of course it is also about Abbott. If you get rid of one you get the other. Based on your diatribe you'd be as equally upset about him.

 

[spearby]

my diatribe is every time some labor dlckhead opens his mouth its all abbotts fault if its the econmony swan its abbotts fault boat people its abbotts fault man up and get some balls you d***heads are the ones making the policies the lefties hate hearing the truth

 

[genoshan]

I'm waiting with baited breath to see what this does to grocery prices.

I work in refrigeration, and currently one of the most common all purpose refrigerants which a large percentage of major supermarket chains operate on is about to increase from about $20 a kilogram purchase price to a burdened price of about $110 a kilogram because it's GWP is 3.85 tonnes per kilogram.

Most stores use about 1000-1200 kilograms of this stuff for their refrigerated showcases and back of house coldroom storage.

New "green" policies have seen more GWP friendly refrigerants and initiatives introduced but it could still cost up to $50K to gas up a new store when currently costs two fifths of that.

That is just refrigerant, imagine what will happen with the cost of all contractors materials and such going up… How are the major chains going to recoup this?

Its all these on costs that are going to drive general costs of living upwards. In relation to the refirgerants, we now reclaim the gasses, and ship them off to our other assets to use on their older package units as they require. This is due to both availablity and the souring costs of refrigerant gasses.

We have only seen the mere beginning of how this will impact our daily costs. It will go upwards, this I am sure.

 

[Winnipeg]

We have only seen the mere beginning of how this will impact our daily costs. It will go upwards, this I am sure.

will you be reasonably happy with the policy if it turns out that the price impacts on groceries and the like are minimal?

 

[spudoakes]

Just had the big talk at work with the carbon tax and drop in coal prices things are lookin grim at work, and dare I say we won't be the last coal mine to go under if and when we go

 

[Rambo2714]

[http://m.youtube.com/#/results?q=tony%2](http://m.youtube.com/#/results?q=tony%252) … on%2520tax
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[Yossarian]

The carbon tax would have a minimal impact on coal prices. Global demand dropping and more supply from overseas is the reason the price is dropping.

 

[spudoakes]

The carbon tax would have a minimal impact on coal prices. Global demand dropping and more supply from overseas is the reason the price is dropping.

that is true yossi, but inevitably it does give the rio, bhps & xstratas of the world another reason to shut places. Not all mines are money trains and the carbon tax will be a hefty burden on the weaker underground mines who are struggling to produce coal at $90 a tonne whereas the open cuts are producing it for $20-30 a tonne who do u reckon will get the cull first

 

[Winnipeg]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/14046758/no-carbon-sunday-price-jolt/

looks like Coles and Woolies won't be raising prices at all

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/carbon-tax-wont-hurt-much-but-we-dont-want-to-know-20120626-210f7.html
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I thought that was a pretty fair and balanced assessment. Even if the sky doesn't fall, it won't help Gillard a whole lot

 

[Leich-a-tiger]

Craig Emerson. Is he ok?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZboCxbTzHk&feature=related

 

[happy_tiger]

Craig Emerson. Is he ok?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZboCxbTzHk&feature=related

If he ever sings again , I will beat him with that $100 leg of lamb until he screams like a lamb

What next Gillard singing Avril Lavagne ??

No actually Gillard will be singing some Billie Holiday

More of the blues for us all

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

I don't understand. The politicians get a pay rise this morning. Add $100,000 per year.The minimum wage is $17\. O'Farrell wants to cut workers comp, & I have mentioned carbon tax. Why do I feel like an 'untouchable' in India?
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