Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the strong trade ties with Asia the doing of the Keating government?
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@stryker said:
Come on you know better than that… If the Libs voted for the legislation it wouldn't have mattered what the Greens did. They had a chance to do something and the flat earthers rolled Turnbull and put People Skills in.
Love the last sentence. Check the mirror champ...
hammertime
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@Yossarian said:
I actually didn't mind Abbott's solution. At least it invests in practical technological solutions and starts getting us on the right path rather than a massive change to the economy that, I think, honestly scares the public. Especially when other economies aren't likely to adopt it yet.
Start the path in the right direction to get to the 5% reduction. Then, we can always do an ETS later. Warm the public up to it.
@hammertime said:
I really don't think his heart is in though. Deep down I bet he thinks it's a load of hogwash.
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@Cultured Bogan said:
Yes well that was a good thing.
hammertime
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@Yossarian said:
True. He could be right too that it is Hogwash. When it came out those scientists in the UN's Environment group fudged the data, the whole movement lost a lot of credibility. I personally think we need to do something, but it needs to just out with some targeted fixes and some hard core investment in sustainable resource technology (which, at the end of the day, we need anyway, so its not wasted). The liberals have come up with a decent way of approaching it in my eyes. Little risk, same impact
Also, I work in a Hedge fund and I know also how much the traders around to world were ramping up to trade carbon credits. At the end of the day, even though it pays my wages, trading carbon credits can't be a good thing. Any profit will minimize the impact of the scheme and will simply drive costs up for the every day Joe.
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@Yossarian said:
That's because it is.
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alien
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@stryker said:
Yep :laughing: and Obama changed his arrival time to avoid Dudd and then Dudd would change his own arrival time to match Obama and then Obama would change his time again to try to avoid Dudd, and he kept doing this to avoid Dudd as much as possible.
One of the reasons is when Bush was President he had a private talk with Rudd and Rudd blabbed about it and attacked Bush. Now Obama is from a different political party than what Bush was in but they really have the same allegiances and Obama was never going to trust or like Dudd, even if he pretended to sometimes.
citizen_cub
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Abbot. I don't find him particularly appealing as a leader, however I take the view that it's about the policies not the leader. When you look back at Labor's track record in their first term, it would seem very difficult to give them a second chance;
1.Failed home insulation scheme: 1 billion dollars, claimed 9 lives, 250,000 homes wrongly insulated
2.National Broadband Network. 22 Billion to provide faster broadband access, and wireless nation wide, most of us have fast internet access (especially in the big cities) anyway, what's the point? It will just put us in more debt.
3\. K.Rudd's pacific solution. Something like 150 boats in a year for the last 3 years, most of whom aren't genuine refugees and are illegal immigrants? Then Gillard jumps into this East Timor Solution, the East Timorese government don't even want a processing centre, why doesn't she pick up the phone and ring the Naaru Government who are more than happy to re-open the processing centre that was once there?
4.Reckless Spending, they've turned a 20 billion dollar surplus into an 80 billion dollar deficit and are still borrowing millions everyday, future generations will have to pay off all this debt.
5.Carbon tax. all it's designed for is to set up some sort of alliance with the Greens who will then hand over their preferences to them. plus, electricity prices will go up.
6\. Infrastructure. The government had this big plan to have a big Australia, yet we don't have the sufficient hospitals, housing etc. to accomodate all these people. Nor has Sydney received any funding.
As much as people bag Howard, he kept the economy in a stable condition and only let something like 3 boats of asylum seekers a year. Population growth was only at something like 1.4% a year compared to Labors 2.8%.
If I could vote, I certainly wouldn't be voting Labor
1.Failed home insulation scheme: 1 billion dollars, claimed 9 lives, 250,000 homes wrongly insulated
2.National Broadband Network. 22 Billion to provide faster broadband access, and wireless nation wide, most of us have fast internet access (especially in the big cities) anyway, what's the point? It will just put us in more debt.
3\. K.Rudd's pacific solution. Something like 150 boats in a year for the last 3 years, most of whom aren't genuine refugees and are illegal immigrants? Then Gillard jumps into this East Timor Solution, the East Timorese government don't even want a processing centre, why doesn't she pick up the phone and ring the Naaru Government who are more than happy to re-open the processing centre that was once there?
4.Reckless Spending, they've turned a 20 billion dollar surplus into an 80 billion dollar deficit and are still borrowing millions everyday, future generations will have to pay off all this debt.
5.Carbon tax. all it's designed for is to set up some sort of alliance with the Greens who will then hand over their preferences to them. plus, electricity prices will go up.
6\. Infrastructure. The government had this big plan to have a big Australia, yet we don't have the sufficient hospitals, housing etc. to accomodate all these people. Nor has Sydney received any funding.
As much as people bag Howard, he kept the economy in a stable condition and only let something like 3 boats of asylum seekers a year. Population growth was only at something like 1.4% a year compared to Labors 2.8%.
If I could vote, I certainly wouldn't be voting Labor
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@citizen cub said:
It sounds good but by the time they finish that it will already be out of date anyway wont it?
citizen_cub
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@alien said:
It will take something like 8 years to complete, so in aid of that question, it probably will be out-dated.
AndTheKungFoSing
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@citizen cub said:
The National Broadband network is a massive job and MUST have… Howard sat on his hands and did NOTHING to improve the telecommunications network in Australia and this is why we find outselves in this situation... instead of investing in such things like this Howard dished out tax breaks to the mindless Australian to win votes...
Would you be surprised to find out that Wollongong cannot supply everyone with ADSL2+... IN FACT count yourself lucky if you manage to get it. Wollongong is one of the largest cities in Australia...
Our Internet speeds and network is terrible compared with the rest of the world...
An improved telecommunications network is a lot more than faster Internet speeds too, i wouldn't be so naive and perhaps do a little research instead of listening to the old hacks on am radio.
AndTheKungFoSing
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@citizen cub said:
Ok…. soooo Abbott is your choice based on policy.... what policy... the "They did this... i won't policy", or my particular favourite of... "just turn the ships around"
I hate both parties passionately.... I am, by generality quite 'left' wing and I am constantly disappointed with Australian politics. Never ever is it about policy! It's always a popularity contest and both leaders trying to stay neutral and almost give the voter no reason to pick a side....
Abbott's policies are right wing... as was Howards... Rudds policies were right wing... Gillard is very much a lefty...
So for the first time in a long time (since that moron Latham) we have two leaders who are from different sides of the spectrum yet their policies are close to identical and conform to this centrist crap!
While the Greens are a joke and Brown a goose... at least they promote their true beliefs and don't hide it!
Abbott should be saying he wants work choices (HE DOES!)
Gillard should be saying she wants to tax the crap out of the minners... (SHE DOES)
Then we will have a vote on REAL policy cub... until then, it's all BS.
With that... if Abbott gets in... I'm moving to New Zealand...
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alien
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With the federal election coming up Beau Ryan should do Beau Knows Politics. That would be interesting. :slight_smile:
AndTheKungFoSing
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@alien said:
He should run lol
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