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Surely it's time for the Australian Democrats to rise again!! I really hope the rising donkey vote doesn't go to the Greens. We could be in for a dangerous period of our history if any of Bob Brown's policies get through parliament in full.
 
Im not a fan of either but I know one thing if you vote Labor back in you are accepting mediocrity..this is what has been the case with Qld, we keep voting them in and they just get worse and worse. Governments have to pay when they stuff things up..otherwise you are just saying it is good enough.

The governments track record over the past three years is about as bad as it could possibly get, the only saving grace is their handling of the GFC but even that is being blown out of all proportion. I fel for Labor hook line and sinker last election…..not going to be fooled again so will vote Liberal.....voting for the greens or any other minor party is just a way of filtering your votes to a major party anyway and the Greens policies are ridiculous.
 
@Spartan117 said:
I will Def Be voting Liberal

The Labor party have not said what they stand for - They have been playing the man through out the last 4 weeks.

Gillard is more polished but that's cause she is FAKE.

History shows that Labor SPEND and Waste and then The Libs pay it back - Its all a Cycle.

The Scariest Policy that will especially affect all middle and lower class Aussies is the Carbon TAX.

Every company will simply pass this down the line and affect the price of everything we buy and will it fix the planet ??? NO.

The Libs and Abbott Are far from perfect - But I'll have em any day over the disgusting voiced backstabber…

:laughing: Did Andrew Robb authorise the above post?

Backstabber? How did Abbott become Opp leader? Ask Turnbull about backstabbing!! It makes me laugh when the Libs talk about changing leaders. They've had 4 in less than 3 years.
 
@Yossarian said:
:laughing: Did Andrew Robb authorise the above post?

Backstabber? How did Abbott become Opp leader? Ask Turnbull about backstabbing!! It makes me laugh when the Libs talk about changing leaders. They've had 4 in less than 3 years.

True. But it's a bit different when one is elected by the people and the other by the party…
 
@hammertime said:
@Yossarian said:
:laughing: Did Andrew Robb authorise the above post?

Backstabber? How did Abbott become Opp leader? Ask Turnbull about backstabbing!! It makes me laugh when the Libs talk about changing leaders. They've had 4 in less than 3 years.

True. But it's a bit different when one is elected by the people and the other by the party…

Tell that to John Gorton. Anyway Costello didn't challenge Howard because of some moral belief, if had the kahunas (thanks Robbie Farah) he would have done the same thing. It's straw man's logic - unless someone resigns as PM apparently the only way you can change leader is to lose an election.
 
@Yossarian said:
@hammertime said:
@Yossarian said:
:laughing: Did Andrew Robb authorise the above post?

Backstabber? How did Abbott become Opp leader? Ask Turnbull about backstabbing!! It makes me laugh when the Libs talk about changing leaders. They've had 4 in less than 3 years.

True. But it's a bit different when one is elected by the people and the other by the party…

Tell that to John Gorton. Anyway Costello didn't challenge Howard because of some moral belief, if had the kahunas (thanks Robbie Farah) he would have done the same thing. It's straw man's logic - unless someone resigns as PM apparently the only way you can change leader is to lose an election.

It's a bit different when the blokes approval rating is still very high. Turnbull wasn't cutting through they had to get rid of him, the polls were shoing that clearly, Rudd while dipping was still very much in favour. I don't trust Gillard she said one thing a week prior and then did the opposite..that and she speaks like a bloke :astonished:
 
@hammertime said:
Surely it's time for the Australian Democrats to rise again!! I really hope the rising donkey vote doesn't go to the Greens. We could be in for a dangerous period of our history if any of Bob Brown's policies get through parliament in full.

As a former registered member of the Australian Democrats I just can't see that happening. Through the defection for personal aspirations by Kernot and the terrible leadership of Lees and the utter abortion period under Bartlett too many bridges were burnt with the electorate.

The Australian Democrats is now made up of far fringe idealists with no cohesive message or purpose
 
@Spartan117 said:
Every company will simply pass this down the line and affect the price of everything we buy and will it fix the planet ??? NO.

I agree. In saying that, how will the Coalition's proposed parental leave program be paid?
 
@hammertime said:
The state government is not cashed up Gary. I don't know where you are coming up with that? They are only barely keeping their credit rating. If you are basing it around the first home buyers grant, then you probably need to account that first home buyers up to $500k don't pay stamp duty.

A surplus is projected for next year due to an unexpected increase in stamp duty revenue. The credit rating has been retained.

They can spend the projected surplus or borrow cheaply. Classical politics. Spend early in the term, austerity measures and then spend at the end.
 
@Gary Bakerloo said:
A surplus is projected for next year due to an unexpected increase in stamp duty revenue. The credit rating has been retained.

They can spend the projected surplus or borrow cheaply. Classical politics. Spend early in the term, austerity measures and then spend at the end.

Well that would be due to estimated duty increases next year, not the past 12-18 months. The cash doesn't transfer over in Budget terms, the prior budget gets re-reflected.

I don't know where you are getting this, but if true, I don't know why they would be estimating higher stamp duty next year? The property market has pretty low turnover at the moment. Seems like the Labor party overestimating again. They still have $12billion in debt, so I can't see them spending too heavily.

I really hope people will vote for the leader who can tighten the belt in the right area's next year so we can afford some infrastructure upgrades. Hopefully Bazza F can get the finances in order.
 
Firstly, I just want to congratulate a number of you on not allowing yourselves to get too emotionally involved in what, really, should be a somewhat friendly discussion.

I'll say right now that I am an INDEPENDANT voter with LIBERAL leanings. I also own a small business that deals in commercial flooring for the building & trade sectors up here in Brisbane. So if I come across as biased- at least you know in advance.

Most of the major topics have been covered, but there are a few concerns I still have that seem to get glossed over- the cost to the general public of the National Broadband Network, just HOW both the Liberal & Labor governments propose to bring the defecit back to surplus in under 3 years without significantly increasing taxes, just how much influence Labor party boss & Qld premier Anna Bligh will have on the party- remembering that Mrs Bligh has effectively sold off Qld's major assests to investors in order to fund her state governments bungles- are we to see a similar plan if Labor wins federally?

Can anyone tell me WHY we NEED the NBN? I'm not saying it won't be helpful, BUT- when quizzed on Wednesday night Ms Gillard EVENTUALLY let slip that in Tasmania "where it is successfully trialled.." it costs the average home owner $40-$60 a month- and this is for the watered down, basic entry level NBN. Just how much will the fabled 1 Gigabit per second NBN connection cost? $150 a month? $200? More? Is it so attractive an option, enough to grab YOUR vote, that you are willing to spend hundreds for the priveledge? Given that Australia is reportedly 'the most amazing economy in the known world'..or some such, just how much more 'up to date' with the rest of the world do we need this $43 billion expense to be? When quizzed on the cost per household, instead of answering outright, she put the onus on 'your service provider'. To me, and I admit, I'm a bit biased, it looked like a passing of the buck in advance.

Here's a question- can you opt OUT of the NBN once it's rolled in? Do you have to have it?

Speaking to a number of manufacturers, builders, tradesmen & architects up here, I can tell you that nearly all are hoping for a change in government. A lack of confidence in the current government has slowed Brisbane's building industry to the point where a number of business are being forced to shut the doors. As it historically does, a change in government brings with it a surge in business confidence, getting the building trades back in work.

I heard John Hewson say the other day that this election is essentially about 17 marginal seats- most situated in south-east Queensland & western Sydney. If this is the case, and what I hear is true, there is a very real chance we see a change in government come Saturday night.

Lastly- in regards to the GFC & Labor's bells & whistles proclimation of wonderful financial management- it took Australia, and in particular Queensland, about 5-6 months after the GFC hit America to have any sort of impact. I wonder if the Labor government factor that in when they produce their figures? Because really, we should be, in effect, about 5-6 months behind in the full effects for the whole wave of the GFC. And how many of the countries we compare ourselves to went from such a large surplus to such a large defecit that quickly? We may not be in as bad a financial spot RIGHT NOW as say, New Zealand, but if we started 30 steps ahead- is it a fair comparison?

Anyway, I've had my say. I know how I'm voting tomorrow.
 
@hammertime said:
Well that would be due to estimated duty increases next year, not the past 12-18 months. The cash doesn't transfer over in Budget terms, the prior budget gets re-reflected.

Yes, this year's budget has started from a better position than projected previously due to ridiculous property price increases. Combined with bugger all expenditure on infrastructure et al, a surplus is projected next year.

@hammertime said:
I really hope people will vote for the leader who can tighten the belt in the right area's next year so we can afford some infrastructure upgrades. Hopefully Bazza F can get the finances in order.

I don't think it matters who runs NSW. The state is a basket case and the Libs will have the same complaints as the current government.
 
It all means Squat…..... cause the Greens will have the balance of power in the Senate.......

:laughing: as spoony would say.....'We get what we deserve'
 
I quote great political luminary for my opinion on this election

"Go banana" R P Wiggum (esq)
 
the day a politician can be trusted, will be the same day, Scott Prince, Hodgo & Pat Richards return to wests-tigers lto play 1st grade.
 
Did anybody here Bob Brown's interview with Alan Jones yesterday? Shows how little the Greens know about economics, the best he could come up with was "our small business tax cut is bigger than the other 2 parties', he wanted to put a FIFTY % on mining firms! The guy doesn't understand how important the industry is, it's built up our wealth, it's vital for our shares and superannuation and has created hundreds of jobs over the years. Then he wants a big carbon tax, which Labor is only in to get their Greens preferences, the guys a silly old tool involved with an even sillier party.
 
He is a crazy old idiot. They also want to introduce a death tax!!

If you dont rate Labor or Liberal then just put in a blank sheet….for gods sakes dont vote for these morons.
 
@stryker said:
If you dont rate Labor or Liberal then just put in a blank sheet….for gods sakes dont vote for these morons.

Mate, it's not your right to tell anyone how to vote.

I just voted and voted Labor. While I hate both parties, I refuse to vote for a party lead by Tony Abbott. Plus I like some of Labor's policies:

1\. NBN
2\. Mining Tax (wish it was still 40%)
3\. Carbon Tax is atleast on the agenda
4\. Small Business Tax reduction
5\. They have a policy on boat people… not some BS "I'll turn the boats around" policy
6\. Increase in Super contributions from 9 to 12%

Either way... I voted 'selflessly' and morally this election... even if both Labor and Liberal campaigns were disgustingly pathetic and negative.

I'm one of those mindless drones I guess Stryker...
 
@Kaiser said:
@stryker said:
If you dont rate Labor or Liberal then just put in a blank sheet….for gods sakes dont vote for these morons.

Mate, it's not your right to tell anyone how to vote.

I just voted and voted Labor. While I hate both parties, I refuse to vote for a party lead by Tony Abbott. Plus I like some of Labor's policies:

1\. NBN
2\. Mining Tax (wish it was still 40%)
3\. Carbon Tax is atleast on the agenda
4\. Small Business Tax reduction
5\. They have a policy on boat people… not some BS "I'll turn the boats around" policy
6\. Increase in Super contributions from 9 to 12%

Either way... I voted 'selflessly' and morally this election... even if both Labor and Liberal campaigns were disgustingly pathetic and negative.

I'm one of those mindless drones I guess Stryker...

Your policies listed - 1,2,3,5 are the exact reason I voted Liberal.
 
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