Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[trentrunciman]


"SKY HIGH BABY!"

 

[GNR4LIFE]


"SKY HIGH BABY!"

Running purely to try and take black votes off Biden

 

[Tiger5150]

The BLM movement can protest peacefully and voice their opinions openly and freely...unfortunately I think some people judge them because the disruptive criminal element use these type of protests to loot,damage and destroy peoples livelihood and get what they can and somehow feel entitled to do so …
There is absolutely no need to damage and pilfer to get a point across...I don't support BLM out of principle because to me EVERY life matters irrespective of circumstances...however the protesters with a genuine cause have a right,unfortunately the criminal element don't need an excuse or cause because to them what they do they seem to think its right...

No, I judge them based out what they publish as their manifesto on their website and the words straight from the founders mouths. They are not hiding the ball but are riding a wave based on a Faustian word trap.

I wasn't having a shot at you I was saying what someone said to me today while having a beer with friends..." the BLM 'came in the conversation and one of the guys said their only trouble makers looting and damaging good peoples businesses ...he didn't want to know that the protesters weren't the ones doing the looting...its the old adage "" tarred with the same brush""...

My point is more that most of the protesters don’t know what BLM stand for.

Why would they then go and protest something they have know idea about...is it a trend just to be out and be seen ??

No they are protesting for what they think its about. They are protesting because black lives matter, but what that translates to is Black Lives Matter and they end up being the vectors for the BLM movement, which is an organised, self professed Marxist movement with the stated goal of dismantling society and rebuilding it as a Marxist/Post Modern utopia.

The protestors are unwitting pawns who are being used.

 

[Tim Sheens]

We got the meltdown of all meltdown’s this morning. Someone’s financial records might finally become public. Of course he has nothing to hide though. I mean why else would he meltdown? 🤔

Have only seen a little of his ranting, though probably also angry about the fresh painting being done outside his tower.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1281247788316188672

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

good factual overview of Australian BLM story by Jacinta Nampijinpa https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/07/australian-notes-284/

 

[Tiger5150]

good factual overview of Australian BLM story by Jacinta Nampijinpa https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/07/australian-notes-284/

It makes sense for people pushing and potentially protesting for change for indigenous australians to hitch it's wagon the the US BLM movement in order to harness the massive momentum but I think it is potentially dangerous and risks losing the point of the need for change.

There are issues for indigenous people in Australia and whilst there are some parallels (police interactions) the issues are different (there are not african american communities like remote indigenous communities) and the causes again have parallels but are not the same.

Indigenous australians [are less likely to die in custody](https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17) (overall and per capita) than non indigenous australians. Tying the movement to this argument is a lie and will not provide substantive change.

There are serious issues to address such as why indigenous are over represented so badly in prison, lower literacy rates, domestic violence rates, lower life expectancy, remote vs metro. THese things needs to be addressed but the current stupid argument about deaths in custody and BLM!!! completely stifles conversation and change.

 

[OzLuke]

good factual overview of Australian BLM story by Jacinta Nampijinpa https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/07/australian-notes-284/


It makes sense for people pushing and potentially protesting for change for indigenous australians to hitch it's wagon the the US BLM movement in order to harness the massive momentum but I think it is potentially dangerous and risks losing the point of the need for change.

There are issues for indigenous people in Australia and whilst there are some parallels (police interactions) the issues are different (there are not african american communities like remote indigenous communities) and the causes again have parallels but are not the same.

Indigenous australians [are less likely to die in custody](https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17) (overall and per capita) than non indigenous australians. Tying the movement to this argument is a lie and will not provide substantive change.

There are serious issues to address such as why indigenous are over represented so badly in prison, lower literacy rates, domestic violence rates, lower life expectancy, remote vs metro. THese things needs to be addressed but the current stupid argument about deaths in custody and BLM!!! completely stifles conversation and change.

The interesting divide which is starting to come through this BLM movement, is that they are protesting every single thing that doesn't fit their narrative. I've seen footage recently where in New York they were protesting outside a church abusing people who were making their way inside to pray. A woman had her children with her and then they started chanting "save that baby". The whole thing has been hijacked by people who really don't give a hoot about black lives mattering (because in true BLM fashion, the only black lives that matter are the ones killed by white police, they don't worry about the black on black violence that happens in the streets). These lunatics that protested outside the church sure as hell weren't protesting outside a planned parenthood centre where african american women are 5 times more likely to have an abortion than white women.
Change has to happen, but the lunatics running the asylum at the moment are creating such a divide that it's only going to get worse before it gets any better.......
Deaths in custody is an interesting debate....firstly you'll get the whole "if they didn't break the law then they wouldn't have a problem" argument, and while it is a fair question it doesn't help anybody.
Secondly, non-indigenous people are almost twice as likely to die in custody than indigenous people, and all deaths in custody get broken down into different categories such as natural causes and suicide. There seems to be this myth perpetrated that they all come about from officer brutality. Take it from me from my experience, the last thing any of us officers want to do is use force on anybody because if something goes wrong, then you're up the creek without a paddle.
Do you treat indigenous people in prison differently to others? Creates a divide. Treat them the same as everybody else? You're not respecting their culture. Everything is up for debate and differing interpretation.

What I do have to say, is this thread has had some really good debate the past few pages. Kudos to all.

 

[tigger]

good factual overview of Australian BLM story by Jacinta Nampijinpa https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/07/australian-notes-284/


It makes sense for people pushing and potentially protesting for change for indigenous australians to hitch it's wagon the the US BLM movement in order to harness the massive momentum but I think it is potentially dangerous and risks losing the point of the need for change.

There are issues for indigenous people in Australia and whilst there are some parallels (police interactions) the issues are different (there are not african american communities like remote indigenous communities) and the causes again have parallels but are not the same.

Indigenous australians [are less likely to die in custody](https://www.aic.gov.au/publications/sb/sb17) (overall and per capita) than non indigenous australians. Tying the movement to this argument is a lie and will not provide substantive change.

There are serious issues to address such as why indigenous are over represented so badly in prison, lower literacy rates, domestic violence rates, lower life expectancy, remote vs metro. THese things needs to be addressed but the current stupid argument about deaths in custody and BLM!!! completely stifles conversation and change.

I'm inclined to agree with you. As the BLM movement took off worldwide I suspect that Australian Aboriginal people were unable to resist the temptation to align their issues with that headline-making banner. They might disagree with me, but I think that their issues are compelling enough to stand on their own. In the longer term, association with BLM might become a distraction rather than a help.

Many of the problems that Aboriginal people face have their roots in cultural dispossession and that applies equally to the urban Aboriginal population as it does to those in remote regions. It may in fact be worse for those in the cities.

As a matter of interest the largest population of Aboriginal people in Australia is in the western suburbs of Sydney.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This whole situation is wrong on so many levels from Dutton and his department.
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[Tim Sheens]

Past time for the world to much more strongly condemn the modern loading of people on to trains and shipping off to concentration camps.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1283359233866637314

 

[Tiger5150]

Past time for the world to much more strongly condemn the modern loading of people on to trains and shipping off to concentration camps.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1283359233866637314

OK this is a post I can get onboard with you FG. Frightening and disgusting. Unfortunately the CCP doesnt give a rats what the rest of the world thinks.

 

[tigger]

The cake might have had a file hidden it!!!!!

 

[tigger]

The cake might have had a file hidden it!!!!!

Oh, wait a minute, this family is on Christmas Island isn't it? Make that a file and a boat!

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Past time for the world to much more strongly condemn the modern loading of people on to trains and shipping off to concentration camps.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1283359233866637314

Didn't we hang a bunch of people 70 years ago for that? And didn't the Japanese basically do the same thing to the Chinese at the same time?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Past time for the world to much more strongly condemn the modern loading of people on to trains and shipping off to concentration camps.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1283359233866637314

Didn't we hang a bunch of people 70 years ago for that? And didn't the Japanese basically do the same thing to the Chinese at the same time?

Yeah, sure did. This is the sort of stuff that I want to be hearing addressed from leaders such as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon from the rose garden. Rather than some of the twenty names for a virus or ranting about Biden in a campaign speech.

Meanwhile, caught this video of him throwing Prince Andrew under the Epstein bus.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1281141127186350080

 

[Tim Sheens]

The stable genius wasn't happy when FOX presenter talked about the cognitive test and poll showing Biden having better figures on the matter. Six months until they drag him out of office.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1284963519859879936

Meanwhile, this is how he is treating unarmed passive constituents.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1284726088187310080
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[GNR4LIFE]

The stable genius wasn't happy when FOX presenter talked about the cognitive test and poll showing Biden having better figures on the matter. Six months until they drag him out of office.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1284963519859879936

Meanwhile, this is how he is treating unarmed passive constituents.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1284726088187310080
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And just like I thought, he won’t accept the result if he loses.

 

[Tim Sheens]

One for the Epstein watchers here.....

Maxwell......6 days in prison without having an unfortunate accident.....

The longer she stays, the more nervous a lot of influential people will be.....

So Epstein's private banker found hanging from a rope.

Judge who was handed the case son was murdered and husband shot by a man dressed as a Fed Ex delivery guy.

Fake Fed Ex driver who killed the judges son now found dead. This stinks to high heaven.

Not my words, but seemingly relevant.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Interesting to note that he’s finally taking the pandemic somewhat seriously, wearing a mask and back with his daily briefings. It’s as if he knows it’s his only hope of getting re-elected.

 

[weststigers]

Past time for the world to much more strongly condemn the modern loading of people on to trains and shipping off to concentration camps.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1283359233866637314

Didn't we hang a bunch of people 70 years ago for that? And didn't the Japanese basically do the same thing to the Chinese at the same time?

Yeah, sure did. This is the sort of stuff that I want to be hearing addressed from leaders such as Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon from the rose garden. Rather than some of the twenty names for a virus or ranting about Biden in a campaign speech.

Meanwhile, caught this video of him throwing Prince Andrew under the Epstein bus.
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1281141127186350080

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX0eGdBL3kA

There you go buddy