Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[diedpretty]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Exactly. And no one thought to make copies before they posted them. Must have been really damning.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Exactly. And no one thought to make copies before they posted them. Must have been really damning.

I have seen something on UPS having not lost them. As per Fox News and the court decision, probably just another lie from Tucker.

On another note, is the northern border opening up in time for your trip?


 

[diedpretty]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Exactly. And no one thought to make copies before they posted them. Must have been really damning.

I have seen something on UPS having not lost them. As per Fox News and the court decision, probably just another lie from Tucker.

On another note, is the northern border opening up in time for your trip?


I have had to cancel flights and accommodation from Sydney and rebook everything from Brisbane. Border opens to all NSW except Sydney from Tuesday. I fly out of Brisbane on Saturday. I can understand not opening to Vic and Sydney but i still believe she was wrong in not opening earler to regional NSW. Should have Palm Cove pretty much to myself - from all reports its like a ghost town.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Exactly. And no one thought to make copies before they posted them. Must have been really damning.

I have seen something on UPS having not lost them. As per Fox News and the court decision, probably just another lie from Tucker.

On another note, is the northern border opening up in time for your trip?



I have had to cancel flights and accommodation from Sydney and rebook everything from Brisbane. Border opens to all NSW except Sydney from Tuesday. I fly out of Brisbane on Saturday. I can understand not opening to Vic and Sydney but i still believe she was wrong in not opening earler to regional NSW. Should have Palm Cove pretty much to myself - from all reports its like a ghost town.

Enjoy.

Looking at a break myself and though I live at Budgewoi, am a few kilometres away from being considered outside "Greater Sydney" per the rules. Next to the ocean like you, but the water doesn't get warm enough for me until the year ends and as my normal South East Asia trips are a long way off yet, will have to wait a little longer to head to warm waters.

 

[TillLindemann]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Come on guys. In 2020 you send every day stuff by email, of course.

But in 2020 you'd be naive, if not mad, to send highly sensitive stuff potentially involving governments electronically.

That is, unless you have not digested at all any of the information given to us over the last decade by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange et al.

We live in a surveillance state that does not treat whistleblowers kindly, especially if they have unpopular political opinions.

And it was UPS who said they lost it, not Fox news.

 

[TillLindemann]

I have closely followed Glenn Greenwald, former Guardian journalist, ever since he helped publish the Edward Snowden leaks.

He is one of the best journalists on earth in my opinion. I would say he personally leans left, but he never lets his politics influence his reporting. In an age when 'journalism' has descended into re-printing press releases or social media posts, Greenwald has stood out from the crowd.

It is sad to see him forced out of the very publisher he founded (the Intercept) simply for daring to cover and reflect on the Biden story that we have been discussing on this thread.

Please read the following story, that they wouldn't let him publish (for political reasons, nothing else).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heres-censored-biden-story-forced-glenn-greenwald-quit-firm-he-founded

Well, nothing new here.

If Hunter Biden was running for president this would be both interesting and relevant. But he isn't, so it isn't.

There is nothing in this story. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing that contains a shred of evidence in relation to the actions of Joe Biden.

The Guardian ran this article in relation to Greenwald's departure from the Intercept:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/journalist-glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept

we interpret it differently (and that's ok). Of course it is more damning of son than father, but I still think it raises legitimate questions about dad too.

Of course the Guardian would say that. They wear their political colours with pride (and they are not alone, New Limited / Fox do they same from the right).
I respect someone like Glenn Greenwald FAR more than politicised publications like the anti-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Guardian/CNN/NYT/WP and the pro-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Murdoch press.

 

[TillLindemann]

I have closely followed Glenn Greenwald, former Guardian journalist, ever since he helped publish the Edward Snowden leaks.

He is one of the best journalists on earth in my opinion. I would say he personally leans left, but he never lets his politics influence his reporting. In an age when 'journalism' has descended into re-printing press releases or social media posts, Greenwald has stood out from the crowd.

It is sad to see him forced out of the very publisher he founded (the Intercept) simply for daring to cover and reflect on the Biden story that we have been discussing on this thread.

Please read the following story, that they wouldn't let him publish (for political reasons, nothing else).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heres-censored-biden-story-forced-glenn-greenwald-quit-firm-he-founded

Well, nothing new here.

If Hunter Biden was running for president this would be both interesting and relevant. But he isn't, so it isn't.

There is nothing in this story. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing that contains a shred of evidence in relation to the actions of Joe Biden.

The Guardian ran this article in relation to Greenwald's departure from the Intercept:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/journalist-glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept

But sorry one more thing - I agree with the sentiment of your statement that 'Hunter's not running for president'. I think I have said before, I believe a large proportion of kids of politicians/business high rollers would act in a similar way. I couldn't care less if Hunter gets high, I couldn't care less who he goes to bed with etc. My spiel (which is probably getting repetitive, sorry) is not so much about the story itself as the treatment of the story. Not from a pro-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon point of view, but from a free speech and objective/disinterested reporting point of view.

 

[tigger]

I have closely followed Glenn Greenwald, former Guardian journalist, ever since he helped publish the Edward Snowden leaks.

He is one of the best journalists on earth in my opinion. I would say he personally leans left, but he never lets his politics influence his reporting. In an age when 'journalism' has descended into re-printing press releases or social media posts, Greenwald has stood out from the crowd.

It is sad to see him forced out of the very publisher he founded (the Intercept) simply for daring to cover and reflect on the Biden story that we have been discussing on this thread.

Please read the following story, that they wouldn't let him publish (for political reasons, nothing else).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heres-censored-biden-story-forced-glenn-greenwald-quit-firm-he-founded

Well, nothing new here.

If Hunter Biden was running for president this would be both interesting and relevant. But he isn't, so it isn't.

There is nothing in this story. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing that contains a shred of evidence in relation to the actions of Joe Biden.

The Guardian ran this article in relation to Greenwald's departure from the Intercept:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/journalist-glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept

we interpret it differently (and that's ok). Of course it is more damning of son than father, but I still think it raises legitimate questions about dad too.

Of course the Guardian would say that. They wear their political colours with pride (and they are not alone, New Limited / Fox do they same from the right).
I respect someone like Glenn Greenwald FAR more than politicised publications like the anti-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Guardian/CNN/NYT/WP and the pro-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Murdoch press.

Fair enough.

It really is next to impossible these days to find a "news source" which isn't running some sort of an agenda. Maybe it's always been that way and I've just become more aware of it. The lines between factual reporting and editorial opinion seem to be almost non-existent

 

[TillLindemann]

I have closely followed Glenn Greenwald, former Guardian journalist, ever since he helped publish the Edward Snowden leaks.

He is one of the best journalists on earth in my opinion. I would say he personally leans left, but he never lets his politics influence his reporting. In an age when 'journalism' has descended into re-printing press releases or social media posts, Greenwald has stood out from the crowd.

It is sad to see him forced out of the very publisher he founded (the Intercept) simply for daring to cover and reflect on the Biden story that we have been discussing on this thread.

Please read the following story, that they wouldn't let him publish (for political reasons, nothing else).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heres-censored-biden-story-forced-glenn-greenwald-quit-firm-he-founded

Well, nothing new here.

If Hunter Biden was running for president this would be both interesting and relevant. But he isn't, so it isn't.

There is nothing in this story. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing that contains a shred of evidence in relation to the actions of Joe Biden.

The Guardian ran this article in relation to Greenwald's departure from the Intercept:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/journalist-glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept

we interpret it differently (and that's ok). Of course it is more damning of son than father, but I still think it raises legitimate questions about dad too.

Of course the Guardian would say that. They wear their political colours with pride (and they are not alone, New Limited / Fox do they same from the right).
I respect someone like Glenn Greenwald FAR more than politicised publications like the anti-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Guardian/CNN/NYT/WP and the pro-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Murdoch press.

Fair enough.

It really is next to impossible these days to find a "news source" which isn't running some sort of an agenda. Maybe it's always been that way and I've just become more aware of it. The lines between factual reporting and editorial opinion seem to be almost non-existent

I agree 100% and likewise I'm not always sure if it's always been like this. I do think with the rise of online news there's less funding for rigorous investigative journalism.

 

[Go_You_Good_Things]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon claiming doctors get paid more when someone dies from Covid. It was inevitable the closer we got to the election, the more unhinged he’d get realising it could all be over. This on top of him claiming that Biden would be shot after 3 weeks in office.

and should Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon win, do you think the rancid protests will be as unhinged as they were last time ?

 

[diedpretty]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Come on guys. In 2020 you send every day stuff by email, of course.

But in 2020 you'd be naive, if not mad, to send highly sensitive stuff potentially involving governments electronically.

That is, unless you have not digested at all any of the information given to us over the last decade by Edward Snowden, Julian Assange et al.

We live in a surveillance state that does not treat whistleblowers kindly, especially if they have unpopular political opinions.

And it was UPS who said they lost it, not Fox news.

You are right but i don't understand why copies weren't made if it was so sensitive. The fact it suddenly disappears with no leads as to how begs the question of did the papers exist in the first place.

 

[Tim Sheens]

What should be the big news on the US election is voter suppression and we all know which party and leader is almost wholly guilty of that, along with attempting to dismantle the voting rights act and encouraging people to aggresively watch over voting sites.

From gerrymandered electorates and removing of drop boxes, to purging voters from the rolls, with some 500k in Georgia a couple of years back, plus making felons or those with outstanding fines ineligible. Then we have extreme judicial appointments and not only failing to provide funding to facilitate better voting options in a pandemic period, but appointing someone to break down the national postal service whilst also aggressively fighting against reasonable options in hundreds of cases before courts across the country.

 

[sheer64]

I still think Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will win in a landslide.

 

[Tim Sheens]

We have a lot electoral interference in this country through Murdoch, Palmer and the like, which are again influencing an election held this very day, but I am glad that our party's are generally not actively suppressing or cheating and that we have a simple system, though compulsory, of every single citizen over 18 encouraged to turn up on the day without the need for identification to cast our votes. Of course, we also have an absentee voting system that is also open
to everyone that allows a reasonable amount of time in 13 days for our postal votes to be received post election day for counting.

 

[Tiger5150]

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon claiming doctors get paid more when someone dies from Covid. It was inevitable the closer we got to the election, the more unhinged he’d get realising it could all be over. This on top of him claiming that Biden would be shot after 3 weeks in office.

Well they get 20% more if COVID is diagnosed under Cares Act, but you know...truth and stuff,

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fact-check-medicare-hospitals-paid-more-covid-19-patients-coronavirus/3000638001/

 

[mike]

This is hilarious

https://youtu.be/Wuul_R-vwhI

“Um yeah so we had all this incriminating documents but they got lost in the mail...”
“It’s 2020. Why didn’t you just scan the documents and email them? I mean they’re probably not originals anyway...”
“.........”

Exactly. And no one thought to make copies before they posted them. Must have been really damning.

I have seen something on UPS having not lost them. As per Fox News and the court decision, probably just another lie from Tucker.

On another note, is the northern border opening up in time for your trip?



I have had to cancel flights and accommodation from Sydney and rebook everything from Brisbane. Border opens to all NSW except Sydney from Tuesday. I fly out of Brisbane on Saturday. I can understand not opening to Vic and Sydney but i still believe she was wrong in not opening earler to regional NSW. Should have Palm Cove pretty much to myself - from all reports its like a ghost town.

You do realise Sydney is a big place. Not opening boarders to the whole of greater Sydney just because there are one or two contained outbreaks in a few suburbs is just ridiculous. “Greater Sydney covers 12,368.2sq km and is made up of 35 local councils. These councils contain more than 900 state suburbs”. Many of those council areas are classified as cities in there own right as well. It seems to me that the Queensland premier suffers from small person syndrome.

 

[Tiger5150]

What should be the big news on the US election is ***voter suppression*** and we all know which party and leader is almost wholly guilty of that, along with attempting to dismantle the voting rights act and encouraging people to aggresively watch over voting sites.

2016 was the largest voter turnout of all time in US elections with 138M voters.

There have been already more then 75M votes cast a few days out from the election. AS many people have already voted then voted in the the Ronald REagen first victory, and a few less then total in the first Clinton victory, without a single vote cast at the ballot box.

,,,,,,........but yeah....voter suppression.

 

[Tiger5150]

I still think Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will win in a landslide.

IMO that is the only scenario off the table. It is possible he wins but unlikely. Impossible that he wins popular vote.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

I still think Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon will win in a landslide.

Based on what?

 

[Tim Sheens]

I have closely followed Glenn Greenwald, former Guardian journalist, ever since he helped publish the Edward Snowden leaks.

He is one of the best journalists on earth in my opinion. I would say he personally leans left, but he never lets his politics influence his reporting. In an age when 'journalism' has descended into re-printing press releases or social media posts, Greenwald has stood out from the crowd.

It is sad to see him forced out of the very publisher he founded (the Intercept) simply for daring to cover and reflect on the Biden story that we have been discussing on this thread.

Please read the following story, that they wouldn't let him publish (for political reasons, nothing else).

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/heres-censored-biden-story-forced-glenn-greenwald-quit-firm-he-founded

Well, nothing new here.

If Hunter Biden was running for president this would be both interesting and relevant. But he isn't, so it isn't.

There is nothing in this story. Nothing we haven't heard before and nothing that contains a shred of evidence in relation to the actions of Joe Biden.

The Guardian ran this article in relation to Greenwald's departure from the Intercept:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2020/oct/29/journalist-glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept

we interpret it differently (and that's ok). Of course it is more damning of son than father, but I still think it raises legitimate questions about dad too.

Of course the Guardian would say that. They wear their political colours with pride (and they are not alone, New Limited / Fox do they same from the right).
I respect someone like Glenn Greenwald FAR more than politicised publications like the anti-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Guardian/CNN/NYT/WP and the pro-Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Murdoch press.

I have seen a bit of it, including the claimed Chinese opposition posts with translations and as I wrote early on, I don't think any depravity of someone not in public employ or service should be circulated. With the emails, they and the rest are supposedly in the hands of the FBI, so I don't expect things under investigation to be shown either.

The last thing that should happen is that department to come out with anything inconclusive prior to the election. Particularly as late poll changes there in 2016 showed a very good chance that Comey's missus was correct in telling him to await the investigation results before his emails announcement, as it would tip the election result.