@smeghead said:
Fox News: Keeping the USA in a Republican induced state of fear since 1996.
Any news network that has Chuck Norris as a guest broadcaster has serious credibility issues. "Fair and balanced" my rear end.
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Fox News: Keeping the USA in a Republican induced state of fear since 1996.
Any news network that has Chuck Norris as a guest broadcaster has serious credibility issues. "Fair and balanced" my rear end.
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did you watch the whole video though? some good points were made. i know bill sometimes says controversal things and gets a bit emotional but he normally tells it how it is. he doesnt beat around the bush
also it wasnt just military people that were living in that town but pakistani intelligence people too
also it wasnt just military people that were living in that town but pakistani intelligence people too
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All media has a slant alien.
I am in a privelledged position when it comes to foreign relations matters that I do not have to rely on any press to get information.
It has nothing to do with controversy when it comes to O'Reily. It is the ranting about things that he knows to be untrue. That is enough to bring the integrity of any of his reports into question. At least from my perspective.
I am in a privelledged position when it comes to foreign relations matters that I do not have to rely on any press to get information.
It has nothing to do with controversy when it comes to O'Reily. It is the ranting about things that he knows to be untrue. That is enough to bring the integrity of any of his reports into question. At least from my perspective.
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@smeghead said:
like what
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The Obama birth certificate issue, the slating of John Kerry's war record and his various cover ups of the Bush administrations links to Goldman Sachs (sp?)
It's a shame because he is actually highly intelligent and, away from the cameras, a thoroughly decent man
It's a shame because he is actually highly intelligent and, away from the cameras, a thoroughly decent man
westTAHger
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the day you can trust a politician, is the same day that Elvis will run out onto the field and play halfback for wests-tigers. :laughing:
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@smeghead said:
Ah ok. I admit I haven't seen him for quite a while but I think there are some good points raised in that video anyway. I watched him the other day and he still says those same catch phrases that he used years ago. :laughing:
It's funny that you mentioned the birth certificate issue because I recently watched a video where Obama laughs at Donald Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon about that issue, and about other things too. You might have already seen it though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZB9xr0DxwWo&feature=related
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@westTAHger said:
Good point.
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<big>Key US politicians back aid to Pakistan</big>
16:18 AEST Fri May 6 2011
Shaun Tandon and Olivier Knox
Leaders of the US Congress have voiced support for preserving aid to Pakistan, calling for a clear-eyed view despite outrage that Osama bin Laden lived for years in the allied nation.
Several US politicians have accused Pakistan of playing a double-game and questioned billions of dollars in US aid after the world's most wanted man was killed in a safe house a short drive from the country's top military academy.
But House Speaker John Boehner, the third highest-ranking US leader and top Republican, said the United States and Pakistan needed to maintain co-operation, striking a rare note of agreement with US President Barack Obama.
"It's not a time to back away from Pakistan: It's time for more engagement with them, not less," Boehner told reporters on Thursday.
"Frankly, I believe our aid should continue to Pakistan."
The United States has given some $18 billion to Pakistan since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, when the nuclear-armed nation officially ended support of Afghanistan's Taliban and agreed to work with the United States.
While most of the money has gone to the military, Congress in 2009 authorised $US7.5 billion over five years to help bolster the weak civilian government by building schools, roads and democratic institutions.
Two of the bill's authors, Senators John Kerry and Richard Lugar, voiced deep concern at the possibility that Pakistan protected bin Laden but said they would wait for a probe.
"Nothing obviously would excuse the harboring of the number one criminal in the world, but we need to explore carefully exactly what the facts are," said Kerry, a close ally of Obama and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Kerry said at a Senate hearing that the United States needed Pakistan's assistance to pursue extremists in the future and to supply the 100,000 US troops stationed in Afghanistan.
"It is undeniable that our relationship with Pakistan has helped us pursue our security goals," Kerry said.
Lugar, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that weaker relations would jeopardise US intelligence operations and reduce US leverage in encouraging better ties between Pakistan and historic rival India.
"Distancing ourselves from Pakistan would be unwise and extremely dangerous," Lugar said.
But Representative Howard Berman, the other co-author of the 2009 aid bill, said in a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that he had "deep and ongoing concerns" about security assistance to Pakistan.
While praising Pakistan's offensive against homegrown Taliban, the Democrat said he was "deeply troubled" by Pakistan's contacts with other Islamist movements including the Afghan Taliban.
Other politicians said Pakistan had lost the trust needed to provide aid at a time the United States is preparing major spending cuts to tame a soaring deficit.
"The American people, they're not stupid," Republican Senator Jim Risch said.
"They understand that every dollar they spend in Pakistan building a bridge… is strapping their children and grandchildren with a horrendous debt while we need bridges right here at home," he said.
Senator Lindsey Graham, the top Republican on a committee that handles foreign aid, said one option would be to cut aid specifically to institutions found to have supported the al-Qaeda chief.
"The best way to ensure a failed state in Pakistan is to abandon Pakistan. They're hanging by a thread and I don't want to cut the last thread," Graham said.
"It's a dilemma: You can't trust them, and you can't abandon them," he said.
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the administration was listening to Congress and conveying concerns to Pakistan, but was committed to co-operation between the two countries.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8245815
16:18 AEST Fri May 6 2011
Shaun Tandon and Olivier Knox
Leaders of the US Congress have voiced support for preserving aid to Pakistan, calling for a clear-eyed view despite outrage that Osama bin Laden lived for years in the allied nation.
Several US politicians have accused Pakistan of playing a double-game and questioned billions of dollars in US aid after the world's most wanted man was killed in a safe house a short drive from the country's top military academy.
But House Speaker John Boehner, the third highest-ranking US leader and top Republican, said the United States and Pakistan needed to maintain co-operation, striking a rare note of agreement with US President Barack Obama.
"It's not a time to back away from Pakistan: It's time for more engagement with them, not less," Boehner told reporters on Thursday.
"Frankly, I believe our aid should continue to Pakistan."
The United States has given some $18 billion to Pakistan since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, when the nuclear-armed nation officially ended support of Afghanistan's Taliban and agreed to work with the United States.
While most of the money has gone to the military, Congress in 2009 authorised $US7.5 billion over five years to help bolster the weak civilian government by building schools, roads and democratic institutions.
Two of the bill's authors, Senators John Kerry and Richard Lugar, voiced deep concern at the possibility that Pakistan protected bin Laden but said they would wait for a probe.
"Nothing obviously would excuse the harboring of the number one criminal in the world, but we need to explore carefully exactly what the facts are," said Kerry, a close ally of Obama and chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Kerry said at a Senate hearing that the United States needed Pakistan's assistance to pursue extremists in the future and to supply the 100,000 US troops stationed in Afghanistan.
"It is undeniable that our relationship with Pakistan has helped us pursue our security goals," Kerry said.
Lugar, the top Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that weaker relations would jeopardise US intelligence operations and reduce US leverage in encouraging better ties between Pakistan and historic rival India.
"Distancing ourselves from Pakistan would be unwise and extremely dangerous," Lugar said.
But Representative Howard Berman, the other co-author of the 2009 aid bill, said in a letter to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that he had "deep and ongoing concerns" about security assistance to Pakistan.
While praising Pakistan's offensive against homegrown Taliban, the Democrat said he was "deeply troubled" by Pakistan's contacts with other Islamist movements including the Afghan Taliban.
Other politicians said Pakistan had lost the trust needed to provide aid at a time the United States is preparing major spending cuts to tame a soaring deficit.
"The American people, they're not stupid," Republican Senator Jim Risch said.
"They understand that every dollar they spend in Pakistan building a bridge… is strapping their children and grandchildren with a horrendous debt while we need bridges right here at home," he said.
Senator Lindsey Graham, the top Republican on a committee that handles foreign aid, said one option would be to cut aid specifically to institutions found to have supported the al-Qaeda chief.
"The best way to ensure a failed state in Pakistan is to abandon Pakistan. They're hanging by a thread and I don't want to cut the last thread," Graham said.
"It's a dilemma: You can't trust them, and you can't abandon them," he said.
State Department spokesman Mark Toner said the administration was listening to Congress and conveying concerns to Pakistan, but was committed to co-operation between the two countries.
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8245815
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<big>Rudd may have compromised bin Laden mission - Pakistan</big>
Yahoo!7
May 6, 2011, 6:05 am
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Pakistan says Kevin Rudd's revelation of Bali bomber Umar Patek's arrest could have compromised the US operation to kill Osama bin Laden.
Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency has claimed the former Australian Prime Minister "shattered" a confidence by publicly confirming the arrest of al-Qaeda acolyte Patek in late March, The Australian reports.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade say the claims are "untrue and absurd".
A spokesman for the ISI Intelligence Agency told The Australian Pakistan had deliberately kept Patek's January arrest secret, fearing that "subsequent leads would all go dead".
Patek was arrested in the same town where bin Laden was found and killed this week.
Mr Rudd confirmed the arrest of Patek on March 30 at the end of a Bali Process meeting he co-chaired with Indonesia's Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa.
"Information on the arrest of such people is not released for as long as possible so we have time to get his contacts because there's always a fish bigger than him," the ISI spokesman was quoted as saying.
"If the news gets out that this person has been arrested then all his contacts disappear. That's precisely why we did not do it but somebody else beat us to it. Your guys (Australia), in their wisdom, thought it would be good to score a point."
"They had no hand in his arrest. We're the ones who arrested him and we shared that information with them in confidence and that confidence we found was shattered when they immediately went public with the information."
Mr Richardson told The Australian Mr Rudd's statements on the matter were "in conformity with the advice from the Australian security and intelligence community".
"They also followed comprehensive coverage of this matter in the international media."
Mr Richardson said this had been confirmed by the US embassy in Canberra.
According to The Australian, there is evidence Pakistani authorities were sincere in their efforts to keep Patek's arrest secret and were annoyed by Mr Rudd's announcement.
Security experts have expressed surprise the revelation of Patek's arrest in Abbottabad did not cause alarm in the bin Laden compound.
Pakistan arrested Patek on January 25 after tracking him to a house less than 10km from bin Laden was killed.
News of the arrest did not come out until March 30 - Mr Rudd confirmed the arrest hours later declaring it "a potential major step forward in the fight against terrorism".
His Indonesian counterpart refused to confirm the arrest.
"Not wanting at the same time to reject what Kevin, Mr Rudd, has said, I cannot confirm that fact," Mr Natalegawa said.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9326644/rudd-compromised-bin-laden-mission-pakistan/
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Bloody hell, Rudd is an imbecile. Once again he has proven that he doesn't know when to shut his stupid gob!
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May 6, 2011, 6:05 am
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Pakistan says Kevin Rudd's revelation of Bali bomber Umar Patek's arrest could have compromised the US operation to kill Osama bin Laden.
Pakistan's ISI intelligence agency has claimed the former Australian Prime Minister "shattered" a confidence by publicly confirming the arrest of al-Qaeda acolyte Patek in late March, The Australian reports.
The Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade say the claims are "untrue and absurd".
A spokesman for the ISI Intelligence Agency told The Australian Pakistan had deliberately kept Patek's January arrest secret, fearing that "subsequent leads would all go dead".
Patek was arrested in the same town where bin Laden was found and killed this week.
Mr Rudd confirmed the arrest of Patek on March 30 at the end of a Bali Process meeting he co-chaired with Indonesia's Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa.
"Information on the arrest of such people is not released for as long as possible so we have time to get his contacts because there's always a fish bigger than him," the ISI spokesman was quoted as saying.
"If the news gets out that this person has been arrested then all his contacts disappear. That's precisely why we did not do it but somebody else beat us to it. Your guys (Australia), in their wisdom, thought it would be good to score a point."
"They had no hand in his arrest. We're the ones who arrested him and we shared that information with them in confidence and that confidence we found was shattered when they immediately went public with the information."
Mr Richardson told The Australian Mr Rudd's statements on the matter were "in conformity with the advice from the Australian security and intelligence community".
"They also followed comprehensive coverage of this matter in the international media."
Mr Richardson said this had been confirmed by the US embassy in Canberra.
According to The Australian, there is evidence Pakistani authorities were sincere in their efforts to keep Patek's arrest secret and were annoyed by Mr Rudd's announcement.
Security experts have expressed surprise the revelation of Patek's arrest in Abbottabad did not cause alarm in the bin Laden compound.
Pakistan arrested Patek on January 25 after tracking him to a house less than 10km from bin Laden was killed.
News of the arrest did not come out until March 30 - Mr Rudd confirmed the arrest hours later declaring it "a potential major step forward in the fight against terrorism".
His Indonesian counterpart refused to confirm the arrest.
"Not wanting at the same time to reject what Kevin, Mr Rudd, has said, I cannot confirm that fact," Mr Natalegawa said.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/9326644/rudd-compromised-bin-laden-mission-pakistan/
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Bloody hell, Rudd is an imbecile. Once again he has proven that he doesn't know when to shut his stupid gob!
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<big>Pakistan threatens U.S. on cooperation if more raids</big>
Augustine Anthony and Michelle Nichols, Reuters
May 6, 2011, 8:41 am
ABBOTTABAD/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Pakistan's army threatened on Thursday to reconsider its anti-terrorism cooperation with the United States if Washington carried out another unilateral attack like the killing of Osama bin Laden.
In New York, U.S. President Barack Obama met firefighters and visited Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan to offer comfort to a city still scarred by the September 11, 2001, attacks masterminded by bin Laden that killed nearly 3,000 people.
He said the killing of bin Laden by a U.S. commando team in Pakistan on Monday "sent a message around the world, but also sent a message here back home, that when we say we will never forget, we mean what we say."
But a senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed bin Laden in "cold blood," straining a relationship that Washington deems vital to defeating the al Qaeda movement that bin Laden led and winning its war in neighbouring Afghanistan.
A major Islamist party in Pakistan, Jamaat-e-Islami, called for mass protests on Friday against what it called a violation of sovereignty by the U.S. raid. It also urged the government to end support for U.S. battles against militants.
Seeking to repair ties, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Rome on Thursday that Washington was still anxious to maintain its alliance with Islamabad.
The Pakistani army and spy agency have supplied intelligence to the United States, arrested al Qaeda figures and taken on militants in areas bordering Afghanistan.
"It is not always an easy relationship," Clinton said. "But, on the other hand, it is a productive one for both our countries and we are going to continue to cooperate between our governments, our militaries, our law-enforcement agencies."
But Pakistan's army, facing rare criticism at home over the U.S. operation in Abbottabad, a town just an hour's drive from the capital, said in its first comment since the attack that Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani had sent a stern warning.
Kayani "made it clear that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States," the army said.
The army also said it would conduct an investigation into failures by its intelligence to detect the world's most wanted man in its own backyard.
Americans are questioning how the al Qaeda leader could live for years in a Pakistani garrison town. Two lawmakers, Republican Kay Granger and Democrat Howard Berman, wrote to Clinton on Thursday complaining about U.S. aid to Pakistan.
SHOTS CONTROVERSY
In a further sign of fractious relations between the allies, senior Pakistani security officials told Reuters that U.S. accounts had been misleading in describing a long gunbattle at the compound where bin Laden and four others were killed by an elite squad of U.S. Navy SEALs.
In Washington, people familiar with the latest U.S. government reporting on the raid told Reuters on Thursday that only one of four principal targets shot to death by U.S. commandos was involved in any hostile fire.
As the SEALs moved in on a guest house inside bin Laden's compound, they were met with fire and shot a man in the guest house. He proved to be Abu Ahmed Al-Kuwaiti, an al Qaeda courier U.S. intelligence agencies had long been tracking.
The commandos then entered the main residence, where they killed another courier and a son of bin Laden, the sources said. They finally shot and killed the al Qaeda leader in a top-floor room after having earlier fired at him as he poked his head out of a door or over a balcony.
U.S. officials originally spoke of a 40-minute firefight. The White House has blamed the "fog of war" for the changing accounts.
A U.S. acknowledgment that bin Laden was unarmed when shot in the head – as well as the sea burial of his body, a rare practice in Islam -- have drawn criticism in the Arab world and Europe, where some have warned of a backlash against the West.
U.S.-PAKISTAN FRICTION
Obama visited New York to say he had made good on a 10-year-old promise by his predecessor, George W. Bush, who declared at the smouldering wreckage of the World Trade Centre three days after the September 11 attacks, "The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
Obama went to a firehouse that lost 15 members in the attacks, before heading to Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan, to lay a wreath and meet with victims' families.
He shook hands with firefighters and told them, "This is a symbolic site of the extraordinary sacrifice that was made on that terrible day almost 10 years ago."
"We have been waiting for this for 10 years. It puts a little more American pride in people," said Al Fiammetta, 57, a safety engineer who said he had cleared debris at Ground Zero.
New York City resident Caroline Epner, 32, said, "It's OK for him (Obama) to take a victory lap."
Friction between Washington and Pakistan has focussed on the role of Pakistan's top security service, the ISI or Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate.
Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir denied Pakistani forces or the ISI aided al Qaeda. "The critique of the ISI is not only unwarranted, it cannot be validated," he said.
Lobbyists for Pakistan in Washington have launched an intense campaign on Capitol Hill to counter accusations that Islamabad deliberately gave refuge to bin Laden.
In Rome for talks on aiding Libya's rebels, Clinton reminded her international audience that bin Laden had been a clear target for the United States since 2001 and that his death did not end the battle against al Qaeda.
U.S. Marine Corps Major General Richard Mills said the raid that killed bin Laden could provide an intelligence bonanza in seized information on Afghanistan. "I think it will identify people who are providing ... material support to the insurgency" there, he said.
Obama signalled in an interview with the CBS television program "60 Minutes" that bin Laden's death confirmed his commitment to begin drawing down troops in Afghanistan in July. "We don't need to have a perpetual footprint of the size that we have now," he said in a published excerpt.
U.S. officials said some evidence was found at bin Laden's hide-out indicating al Qaeda had at one point considered attacking the U.S. rail system on the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks later this year.
But Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matthew Chandler said there was "no information of any imminent terrorist threat to the U.S. rail sector."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/9325992/pakistan-threatens-u-s-on-cooperation-if-more-raids/
Augustine Anthony and Michelle Nichols, Reuters
May 6, 2011, 8:41 am
ABBOTTABAD/NEW YORK (Reuters) - Pakistan's army threatened on Thursday to reconsider its anti-terrorism cooperation with the United States if Washington carried out another unilateral attack like the killing of Osama bin Laden.
In New York, U.S. President Barack Obama met firefighters and visited Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan to offer comfort to a city still scarred by the September 11, 2001, attacks masterminded by bin Laden that killed nearly 3,000 people.
He said the killing of bin Laden by a U.S. commando team in Pakistan on Monday "sent a message around the world, but also sent a message here back home, that when we say we will never forget, we mean what we say."
But a senior Pakistani security official said U.S. troops killed bin Laden in "cold blood," straining a relationship that Washington deems vital to defeating the al Qaeda movement that bin Laden led and winning its war in neighbouring Afghanistan.
A major Islamist party in Pakistan, Jamaat-e-Islami, called for mass protests on Friday against what it called a violation of sovereignty by the U.S. raid. It also urged the government to end support for U.S. battles against militants.
Seeking to repair ties, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Rome on Thursday that Washington was still anxious to maintain its alliance with Islamabad.
The Pakistani army and spy agency have supplied intelligence to the United States, arrested al Qaeda figures and taken on militants in areas bordering Afghanistan.
"It is not always an easy relationship," Clinton said. "But, on the other hand, it is a productive one for both our countries and we are going to continue to cooperate between our governments, our militaries, our law-enforcement agencies."
But Pakistan's army, facing rare criticism at home over the U.S. operation in Abbottabad, a town just an hour's drive from the capital, said in its first comment since the attack that Chief of Staff General Ashfaq Kayani had sent a stern warning.
Kayani "made it clear that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States," the army said.
The army also said it would conduct an investigation into failures by its intelligence to detect the world's most wanted man in its own backyard.
Americans are questioning how the al Qaeda leader could live for years in a Pakistani garrison town. Two lawmakers, Republican Kay Granger and Democrat Howard Berman, wrote to Clinton on Thursday complaining about U.S. aid to Pakistan.
SHOTS CONTROVERSY
In a further sign of fractious relations between the allies, senior Pakistani security officials told Reuters that U.S. accounts had been misleading in describing a long gunbattle at the compound where bin Laden and four others were killed by an elite squad of U.S. Navy SEALs.
In Washington, people familiar with the latest U.S. government reporting on the raid told Reuters on Thursday that only one of four principal targets shot to death by U.S. commandos was involved in any hostile fire.
As the SEALs moved in on a guest house inside bin Laden's compound, they were met with fire and shot a man in the guest house. He proved to be Abu Ahmed Al-Kuwaiti, an al Qaeda courier U.S. intelligence agencies had long been tracking.
The commandos then entered the main residence, where they killed another courier and a son of bin Laden, the sources said. They finally shot and killed the al Qaeda leader in a top-floor room after having earlier fired at him as he poked his head out of a door or over a balcony.
U.S. officials originally spoke of a 40-minute firefight. The White House has blamed the "fog of war" for the changing accounts.
A U.S. acknowledgment that bin Laden was unarmed when shot in the head – as well as the sea burial of his body, a rare practice in Islam -- have drawn criticism in the Arab world and Europe, where some have warned of a backlash against the West.
U.S.-PAKISTAN FRICTION
Obama visited New York to say he had made good on a 10-year-old promise by his predecessor, George W. Bush, who declared at the smouldering wreckage of the World Trade Centre three days after the September 11 attacks, "The people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon."
Obama went to a firehouse that lost 15 members in the attacks, before heading to Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan, to lay a wreath and meet with victims' families.
He shook hands with firefighters and told them, "This is a symbolic site of the extraordinary sacrifice that was made on that terrible day almost 10 years ago."
"We have been waiting for this for 10 years. It puts a little more American pride in people," said Al Fiammetta, 57, a safety engineer who said he had cleared debris at Ground Zero.
New York City resident Caroline Epner, 32, said, "It's OK for him (Obama) to take a victory lap."
Friction between Washington and Pakistan has focussed on the role of Pakistan's top security service, the ISI or Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate.
Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir denied Pakistani forces or the ISI aided al Qaeda. "The critique of the ISI is not only unwarranted, it cannot be validated," he said.
Lobbyists for Pakistan in Washington have launched an intense campaign on Capitol Hill to counter accusations that Islamabad deliberately gave refuge to bin Laden.
In Rome for talks on aiding Libya's rebels, Clinton reminded her international audience that bin Laden had been a clear target for the United States since 2001 and that his death did not end the battle against al Qaeda.
U.S. Marine Corps Major General Richard Mills said the raid that killed bin Laden could provide an intelligence bonanza in seized information on Afghanistan. "I think it will identify people who are providing ... material support to the insurgency" there, he said.
Obama signalled in an interview with the CBS television program "60 Minutes" that bin Laden's death confirmed his commitment to begin drawing down troops in Afghanistan in July. "We don't need to have a perpetual footprint of the size that we have now," he said in a published excerpt.
U.S. officials said some evidence was found at bin Laden's hide-out indicating al Qaeda had at one point considered attacking the U.S. rail system on the 10th anniversary of the September 11 attacks later this year.
But Department of Homeland Security spokesman Matthew Chandler said there was "no information of any imminent terrorist threat to the U.S. rail sector."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/world/9325992/pakistan-threatens-u-s-on-cooperation-if-more-raids/
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@cktiger said:
if I was cheeky, I would say " a politician could not even lie straight on an autopsy table" :unamused:
in one of the Seinfield episodes, George Costanza mentioned, " It's not a lie if you believe it to be true" he then went and had a lie detector test, and passed. :laughing:
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@stryker said:
I'm not sure if I would say that I'm a fan but sometimes I find him entertaining and funny and I don't think he always lies like some people say. I'm not saying he is always right. Most of the times that I have seen him (which isn't much lately) I have agreed with him. He's not afraid to say it how it is even though he knows what he says might be controversal. He definately does have a temper though! :laughing:
Which list??? :slight_smile:
In other news the Navy SEALs collected information from Bin Laden's compound and some of that information show that Al Qaeda were planning terrorist attacks on U.S. rail networks on September 11 this year.
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Gee you took out of that article what you wanted to hear didn't you? Ignore all the quotes to the contrary and go with the same Pakistani agency you've been bagging deluxe for the last couple of days. You wouldn't think the below would suggest Rudd did nothing wrong or are you going to believe the Pakistan security bloke ahead of the DFAT guy?
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Mr Richardson said this had been confirmed by the US embassy in Canberra.**
I read it as the Pakis being ghosted by the US and doing anything and everything they can to save face.
This may not be the case, just calling it how I see it.
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@westTAHger said:
Will he wear the 7 jersey or will Tim Moltzen wear it too keep the run of victories going :laughing:
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alright fair enough yossarian. he might not have done anything wrong this time
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