Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[mike]

The latest Federal Govt support package misses the mark. Basically a bail out for QANTAS and no one else. It won’t flow through to the local economies. Basically if you have a job then sure you can afford to fly, book accommodation and spend time at experiences. Trouble is come March 28 there is going to be a whole lot more people unemployed who won’t be taking advantage of cheap flights and also those that are in precarious mortgage/rent positions won’t be needing cheap flights either.

 

[TillLindemann]

Update to the 'list of forbidden things' from the last 7 days:

- Dr Seuss
- Pepe Le Pew
- Mumford & Sons
- the term 'Blue Anon'

Mumford and Sons? What's doing there?

Some fella from the band said on twitter that he read a book about antifa violence in the US, and said the author (who's been attacked in the past, faced numerous death threats and was forced to move away from Portland) was courageous.
For that the dude was hounded and has now had to leave the band.

Political discourse is now so juvenile that the author - an Asian-American who is the son of refugees - is called a "white supremacist" because of his critique of antifa. And by extension the Mumford dude is now also 'literally Hitler'.

 

[diedpretty]

The latest Federal Govt support package misses the mark. Basically a bail out for QANTAS and no one else. It won’t flow through to the local economies. Basically if you have a job then sure you can afford to fly, book accommodation and spend time at experiences. Trouble is come March 28 there is going to be a whole lot more people unemployed who won’t be taking advantage of cheap flights and also those that are in precarious mortgage/rent positions won’t be needing cheap flights either.

This whole travel package revival is a real catch 22 - during covid restrictions you could get extremely good deals on accommodation but the problem was because of restrictions you were limited as to where you could go. Now that interstate restrictions are lifted airlines are giving great discounts to travel but now accommodation costs have gone through the roof as they try to claw back losses. I've still got airline credits from covid burning a hole in my pocket but i'm not going to use them if i have to pay over the top prices for accommodation.

 

[jadtiger]

The latest Federal Govt support package misses the mark. Basically a bail out for QANTAS and no one else. It won’t flow through to the local economies. Basically if you have a job then sure you can afford to fly, book accommodation and spend time at experiences. Trouble is come March 28 there is going to be a whole lot more people unemployed who won’t be taking advantage of cheap flights and also those that are in precarious mortgage/rent positions won’t be needing cheap flights either.

Exactly. The immediate enthusiasm of Alan Joyce in endorsing this tax-payer gift to QANTAS said it all. And, the choice of Merimbula as NSW's only subsidised tourist site is more about helping QANTAS crush REX as competition. Nothing more, nothing less.

And, devised and implemented by Scummo, Fraudberg and their rabble of spivs and crims, at taxpayer expense, to suck up to Alan Joyce. I wonder what they get in return, eh??

Is there any more repulsive CEO/Corporate Leader in Australia than Alan Joyce? Yes, OK, he's in a photo finish with Clive Palmer and Gina Reinhart for repulsiveness and corrupt influence on Coalition governments.

Joyce is definately a close third behind Palmer and Reinhart imo.All of them are the perfect example of what is wrong in our country

 

[Tim Sheens]

The latest Federal Govt support package misses the mark. Basically a bail out for QANTAS and no one else. It won’t flow through to the local economies. Basically if you have a job then sure you can afford to fly, book accommodation and spend time at experiences. Trouble is come March 28 there is going to be a whole lot more people unemployed who won’t be taking advantage of cheap flights and also those that are in precarious mortgage/rent positions won’t be needing cheap flights either.

Haven't had a good look at the package, though that which I have heard leans toward it being a terrible one. Unfair and possibly even more pork barrelling with it being area or region targeted.

Continued targeted funding and/or travel vouchers would seem much more appropriate, which would allow some of those affected that you referred to at least some opportunity and spread the love and dollars around communities.

Seems a bit like the $25k upgrade for kitchens, bathrooms and finishes freebie given to those that already had plans to build.

 

[TillLindemann]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

 

[TillLindemann]

The latest Federal Govt support package misses the mark. Basically a bail out for QANTAS and no one else. It won’t flow through to the local economies. Basically if you have a job then sure you can afford to fly, book accommodation and spend time at experiences. Trouble is come March 28 there is going to be a whole lot more people unemployed who won’t be taking advantage of cheap flights and also those that are in precarious mortgage/rent positions won’t be needing cheap flights either.

Exactly. The immediate enthusiasm of Alan Joyce in endorsing this tax-payer gift to QANTAS said it all. And, the choice of Merimbula as NSW's only subsidised tourist site is more about helping QANTAS crush REX as competition. Nothing more, nothing less.

And, devised and implemented by Scummo, Fraudberg and their rabble of spivs and crims, at taxpayer expense, to suck up to Alan Joyce. I wonder what they get in return, eh??

Is there any more repulsive CEO/Corporate Leader in Australia than Alan Joyce? Yes, OK, he's in a photo finish with Clive Palmer and Gina Reinhart for repulsiveness and corrupt influence on Coalition governments.


Joyce is definately a close third behind Palmer and Reinhart imo.All of them are the perfect example of what is wrong in our country

I will never forget Gina, who inherited half of Western Australia, making a video telling Australians we should work for lower wages, otherwise we'll never be able to compete against Africa.
In the early colonial days these kind of people were mocked as 'bunyip aristocrats'.

 

[jadtiger]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Far too progressive for Slomo.

 

[Saturnalia]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.

My internet connection at home in Australia was so terrible, I literally had to go to the office to work (I'm a software engineer, your mileage may vary).

Covid has proven that most office workers can work from home, and you lessen the burden on the transport infrastructure as you'll have far less people commuting. less needs to be spent on maintaining upgrading 'the roads of the 21st century' to quote the ^%&# Tony Abbott.

I dream of seeing an Australia in the 21st century.

Maybe in 2150.

 

[Saturnalia]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.


Far too progressive for Slomo.

You'll never get anywhere with prosperity gospel nutjobs

 

[Tiger5150]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.

Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

 

[Saturnalia]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.

 

[Tiger5150]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.

If you think that glass pipes buried underground at the mercy of backhoes, excavators, seismic motion, subsidence, interface failure, infrastructure requiring constant maintenance is state of the art, I have some bad news for **you**. Fibre optic is distance dependent (signal degrades over distance).

TEchnology is evolving incredibly quickly. Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now at approximately 50% the cost and is fast to implement and decommission as new technology becomes available.

Based on the constantly changing technology environment, why would you wed yourself to massive debt and maintenance responsibility of a nation of trenches and glass pipes?

 

[Saturnalia]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.


If you think that glass pipes buried underground at the mercy of backhoes, excavators, seismic motion, subsidence, interface failure, infrastructure requiring constant maintenance is state of the art, I have some bad news for **you**. Fibre optic is distance dependent (signal degrades over distance).

TEchnology is evolving incredibly quickly. Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now at approximately 50% the cost and is fast to implement and decommission as new technology becomes available.

Based on the constantly changing technology environment, why would you wed yourself to massive debt and maintenance responsibility of a nation of trenches and glass pipes?

Wireless suffers from congestion, and that will basically make it DOA. Buried cables you can control the contention ratio, HFC also suffers from this.

Also that is some nice Liberal party doublespeak you have going on there,

"Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now"

It's not faster than fiber though, is it?

From a user on whirlpool,

"I am getting 6/6 right now (peak hour) on my 50/20 connection off a fibre fed tower

It wasn't this bad until they reassigned heaps of streets from FTTx to FW!"

Anyway , I don't live in Oz anymore, so I don't need to worry about this nonsense for a few more years.

 

[Tiger5150]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.


If you think that glass pipes buried underground at the mercy of backhoes, excavators, seismic motion, subsidence, interface failure, infrastructure requiring constant maintenance is state of the art, I have some bad news for **you**. Fibre optic is distance dependent (signal degrades over distance).

TEchnology is evolving incredibly quickly. Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now at approximately 50% the cost and is fast to implement and decommission as new technology becomes available.

Based on the constantly changing technology environment, why would you wed yourself to massive debt and maintenance responsibility of a nation of trenches and glass pipes?

Wireless suffers from congestion, and that will basically make it DOA. Buried cables you can control the contention ratio, HFC also suffers from this.

Also that is some nice ***Liberal party doublespeak*** you have going on there,

"Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now"

It's not faster than fiber though, is it?

From a user on whirlpool,

"I am getting 6/6 right now (peak hour) on my 50/20 connection off a fibre fed tower

It wasn't this bad until they reassigned heaps of streets from FTTx to FW!"

Anyway , I don't live in Oz anymore, so I don't need to worry about this nonsense for a few more years.

Anyway, was trying to have a conversation/discussion in good faith but you are clearly not up to it. Feel free to continue the conversation yourself, build a couple of straw men and put some words in their mouth....

 

[InBenjiWeTrust]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

I agree, and add to that the 5G technology (and not to mention even faster technologies in the developement) that would be fast enough for the majority of non business users.
And another fact, many users prefer flexibility of WiFi access.

 

[mike]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

Fibre is the only reliable way to go. Should have been done in the beginning.

 

[Saturnalia]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.


If you think that glass pipes buried underground at the mercy of backhoes, excavators, seismic motion, subsidence, interface failure, infrastructure requiring constant maintenance is state of the art, I have some bad news for **you**. Fibre optic is distance dependent (signal degrades over distance).

TEchnology is evolving incredibly quickly. Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now at approximately 50% the cost and is fast to implement and decommission as new technology becomes available.

Based on the constantly changing technology environment, why would you wed yourself to massive debt and maintenance responsibility of a nation of trenches and glass pipes?

Wireless suffers from congestion, and that will basically make it DOA. Buried cables you can control the contention ratio, HFC also suffers from this.

Also that is some nice ***Liberal party doublespeak*** you have going on there,

"Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now"

It's not faster than fiber though, is it?

From a user on whirlpool,

"I am getting 6/6 right now (peak hour) on my 50/20 connection off a fibre fed tower

It wasn't this bad until they reassigned heaps of streets from FTTx to FW!"

Anyway , I don't live in Oz anymore, so I don't need to worry about this nonsense for a few more years.

Anyway, was trying to have a conversation/discussion in good faith but you are clearly not up to it. Feel free to continue the conversation yourself, build a couple of straw men and put some words in their mouth....

Trying to take the high road only works when you're not deliberately misrepresenting what people are arguing.

NBN isn't a technology, saying "Microwave wireless is just as fast as the NBN" doesn't mean anything and is designed to confuse users who don't understand what the difference between, ADSL, VDSL, Fibre to the home, Fibre to the Node, Fixed Wireless means.

"Arguing in good faith" .

No you weren't .

 

[Tiger5150]

If I was pulling the strings and had to do stimulus, I would be investing massively in productive infrastructure (not endless new freeways). In particular I would be building energy storage projects. Within 2-3 years you could have 100 + 'big batteries' across the country - built in economically struggling regions if need be. These are much cheaper and years quicker than something like Snowy 2.0, and also easier to upgrade and improve as technology evolves. Gets people in work, improves grid reliability, brings down energy prices for the whole economy, good for the environment.

Another investment would be to implement a proper NBN, with FTTP for every single Australian home.


Personally I hope not. The NBN was a terrible idea when Rudd started it and became worse when the Libs tried to strip cost.

Australia is a massive country with a relatively small and sparse population. Spending incredible amounts of money to put fibre in the ground to me does not make sense as it is almost certainly one day likely to be obsolete and we are left with billions of $$$ in the ground and then taking up other technologies (satellite/microwave/etc) later anyway.

If you think they are going to find something faster than light, I have some bad news for you.


If you think that glass pipes buried underground at the mercy of backhoes, excavators, seismic motion, subsidence, interface failure, infrastructure requiring constant maintenance is state of the art, I have some bad news for **you**. Fibre optic is distance dependent (signal degrades over distance).

TEchnology is evolving incredibly quickly. Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now at approximately 50% the cost and is fast to implement and decommission as new technology becomes available.

Based on the constantly changing technology environment, why would you wed yourself to massive debt and maintenance responsibility of a nation of trenches and glass pipes?

Wireless suffers from congestion, and that will basically make it DOA. Buried cables you can control the contention ratio, HFC also suffers from this.

Also that is some nice ***Liberal party doublespeak*** you have going on there,

"Microwave fixed wireless is as fast as NBN now"

It's not faster than fiber though, is it?

From a user on whirlpool,

"I am getting 6/6 right now (peak hour) on my 50/20 connection off a fibre fed tower

It wasn't this bad until they reassigned heaps of streets from FTTx to FW!"

Anyway , I don't live in Oz anymore, so I don't need to worry about this nonsense for a few more years.

Anyway, was trying to have a conversation/discussion in good faith but you are clearly not up to it. Feel free to continue the conversation yourself, build a couple of straw men and put some words in their mouth....

Trying to take the high road only works when you're not ***deliberately misrepresenting what people are arguing***.

NBN isn't a technology, saying "Microwave wireless is just as fast as the NBN" doesn't mean anything and is designed to confuse users who don't understand what the difference between, ADSL, VDSL, Fibre to the home, Fibre to the Node, Fixed Wireless means.

"Arguing in good faith" .

No you weren't .

Not a particularly finely tuned sense of irony you have Sataris. Irony is when you accuse me of "deliberately misrepresent what people are arguing" and also accuse them of "liberal party double speak".

As I said, im happy to take place in good faith discussion, you are clearly incapable and the fact that you double down is all I need to see. Enjoy yourself.