Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

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@Kul said:
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott says Labor taxes on alcopops and cigarettes are overwhelmingly slugging less well-off families.
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In a broadranging attack on the government for failing to address cost of living pressures on ordinary Australians, Mr Abbott said Labor had turned the working families of 2007 into the forgotten families of 2011.
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Rather than doing something about cost of living pressures, Labor had made a succession of tax grabs, reaching its long hand into the pockets of every single Australian to rip out their hard-earned incomes, he said.
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"There's the alcopops tax which is going to rip $3.1 billion out of the pockets of Australian families over four years. There's the cigarette tax which is going to rip $5 billion out over four years," he said in parliament.
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"Let's face it, I don't like smoking any more than the next person but overwhelmingly these are some of the least privileged, least well-off people in our community."
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Mr Abbott said the government was set to make a bad situation even worse with its carbon tax.
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"This carbon tax, based on a lie, is going to be another nail in the way of life of the Australian families," he said.
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Assistant treasurer Bill Shorten said the best way to address cost of living pressures was to have a good job and fair pay and conditions.
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He said the government passed that test by creating 750,000 jobs with another 500,000 predicted to be created over the next two years.
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"If you have a job in this country you have a chance to pay the bills. If you don't have a job in this country, life is that much harder."

i'd be interested to hear a smokers perspective on this
Anyone?

To Mr Shorten I know that dealing with reality as hard but here it is . I can't speak for most but my pay reviews are around 5-7% . How do we maintain our current quality of life when power goes up app 15% ,Water going up 150% (here anyway)rates up 7% (forecast),petrol up about 14% (so far), interest rates up .75% (since last tax year)private health up 9% and who knows what will go on with carbon tax at this stage . I can live with my job but what is this government going to do about how about forgetting about our work conditions and worry about how all sides of business still are allowed to kkeep their margins . Bar the people Yes Bill those people who vote for you who savings crumble around them while you keep big business happy and they can afford to live like kings
 
@Kaiser said:
@citizen cub said:
@Kaiser said:
@citizen cub said:
Nuclear energy as it renewable, clean…

Funniest thing I have EVER read, especially the renewable bit.

Also it is NOT clean at all.

Cleaner than coal and works just as efficiently as coal.

Another claim that has rendered anything you post incredibly uneducated…

Lol, wasn't paying attention in Science! :smiley:
 
Alcopop tax was a joke. No fact or evidence that this would deter binge drinking whatsoever. If anything, alcohol fuelled violence has increased and more younger aged drinkers have irresponsibly consumed alcopops. Only have to take a glance at King's Cross to support my case.

Did the Government and Mr Rudd consider those who enjoy these drinks on a very occasional basis? Same as the Pokies Tax coming from that clueless independent Wilkie. How many people gamble irresponsibly? Alot less than those who do so responsibly.
 
@Cultured Bogan said:
Out of the commercially available green technologies, solar is probably the most viable.

Happy has a point, I think if a mandate was made for all new homes to have solar power fitted you'd probably see reductions in cost due to the volume which in turn could make retrofitting established homes cheaper than it currently would.

My girlfriend and I are planning to build in the next two years, and I will be looking to solar power not for the rebate, but the fact that it is essentially "free" power, notwithstanding the cost to install and start up.

If you're after info about solar installations, let me know. It's our business, and hubby is into innovative solar installations and systems.
 
That would be fantastic Suzie.

I'm no greenie, but it's essentially free energy for a moderately costly installation.

With the way power bills are soaring, it'd pay itself back within 5-10 years!
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I just did a 2 day course on Sustainability. Are you proud of me, Kul??? :sunglasses:
 
Hey peeps! Do this quick test which is called "How many planets does it take to support your lifestyle?".
http://www.wwf.org.au/footprint/calculator/
Let us know your results. You can always change your answers to see what makes a big difference.
 
The Productivity Commission report on Climate Change came out today.
if I understand it correctly, they have basically said the following when comparing the different models to other schemes used by the EU, UK, NZ, Canada, Japan, US, China and Korea:

ETS: most cost effective, cheapest, best results
Carbon Tax: cost effective, produces results
Direct Action: least cost effective, most expensive, little benefit

Personally i'm more of a fan of an ETS but I can understand how setting the price for the first few years can have some advantages. Interesting that they pretty well torpedoes the direct action policy as useless, now just cue the flat-earthers to change their argument back to "the science is a fraud"

China is gunning for a 45% reduction
 
oh wait, i actually got 2.7 earths

food 41%
services 21%
mobility 20%
shelter 11%
goods 8%
 
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