Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tiger_Watto]

This is becoming a joke…

The Australian People elected Kevin 07 and when he started listening and doing what was in the best interest of the Australian People (not in the interests of the Unions), he gets run out of town by the Labor Powerbrokers. They appoint Gillard as there new puppet and she starts down the Union line...

As this was not in the 'best interests' of Australians, the Australian People got a vote at the last election and clearly advised the Labor Party they were not happy. Gillard rubs a few legs, bends over for a few Independants and maintains power to remain Prime Minister. Throughout her whole tenure, opinion polls have clearly advised the Labor Party they are still dissatisfied, to the point they feel Kevin 07 would be a better Prime Minister...

Now we have these Labor Powerbrokers still ignoring the Australian People, supporting a sitting duck Prime Minister at the next election, and they think calling a Leadership Ballot is the best move???

I think the best move by Kevin 07 is to NOT contest this ballot on Monday. He is clearly still winning the battle of the Australian People and by not contesting, he will further make the Gillard Office look like the laughing stocks they are. He doesnt need to take on this fight. You dont get in a fight with a schoolyard bully, you only take on the fights that are worth fighting for, and the only time to make a serious leadership challenge is 12-13 months out from an election... This is when Turnbull will make his move!!!

Oh and on closing, while these fools are playing matress polo with each other, who is running this country?

 

[Yossarian]

Yeah she can…it has to be passed in parliament and then she decides though..

But in that scenario the GG is only reflecting a loss of confidence by the HoR in a government. It's not an independent decision on her part.

Wilkie and Windsor both seem shakey…you never know. If there is leadership change, Rudd will have to do some fast talking one would expect.

They should shut up. It's not their place to decide who leads the ALP. In any case Katter is more likely to support Rudd if he wins. Besides Windsor would be signing his own resignation letter if he forces an election.

Its funny in Rudds speech the main concern he has with Abbott is his temperament and experience. He has a far better temperament than Kevvy and a hell of a lot more experience.

Experience in the HoR maybe. Rudd has a pretty long CV linked to government. Rudd losing his temper a lot but Abbott seems all over the place. All no and no go.

 

[Yossarian]

My assessments…

Rudd is unlikely to win on Monday but it is not impossible. 15-20 is a massive under estimate Happy. He will get at a minimum 30 votes probably more. Anything over 40 votes for him pretty much puts the writing on the wall for Gillard. There will be a later ballot (either an election or another spill) which she loses. Her choice will be whether Rudd or Abbott is the next PM

There's no point assessing the factions because they are all over the shop apart from some NSW Centre Unity MPs who are likely to follow the direction of heavy hitters like Arbib. Gillard's own faction has deserted her.

If Rudd wins, Crean resigns before he gets pushed and Wayne Swan has also placed his position in a lot of trouble. All this is working in Rudd's favour since there are a stack of people in line to work their way up their ladder from parl sec to junior minister, junior minister to cabinet etc.

Turnbull won't be leader of the Lib Party this side of the election. He is even less popular with his party than Rudd is with the FPLP. Besides his big ticket positions (carbon tax etc) remove one of the major planks of Lib attacks on the government.

The faceless men of the ALP can go stuff themselves, and I refer to those outside the parliament. Some of them are too busy writing articles for the paper or launching books to know anything about anything. I have some experience in dealing with one well known "faceless" man and he is a complete and utter (word that would need to be censored). He also has zero experience apart from backroom jobs and yet feels he is best placed to lead an industrial union.

So if forced to predict...

Rudd loses on Monday but gets over 40 votes...

 

[system]

If Gillard & Abbott contest the next Federal election it shows how little respect the parties have for the voting public and I will gladly pay the fine for not voting

 

[Tiger_Watto]

They should shut up. It's not their place to decide who leads the ALP. In any case Katter is more likely to support Rudd if he wins. Besides Windsor would be signing his own resignation letter if he forces an election.

Any chance Rudd may leave the Labor Party and run as an Independant?

 

[happy_tiger]

Disagree Yoss The maximum votes he will get will be 35

Thats why I have this feeling he may not challenge at next weeks Caucus meeting and leaves it until the following one and then challenge within 6-9 months of the election

Juliar is currently live answering question and her body language gave something away

She was asked at whether she been asked to stand aside she said no but she nodded her head with a YES

Don't be surprised in the 2nd challenge someone else comes out of the woodwork ,probably a current Gillard supporter who might upend all of them

 

[Yossarian]

They should shut up. It's not their place to decide who leads the ALP. In any case Katter is more likely to support Rudd if he wins. Besides Windsor would be signing his own resignation letter if he forces an election.

Any chance Rudd may leave the Labor Party and run as an Independant?

Zero

 

[Yossarian]

Disagree Yoss The maximum votes he will get will be 35

Thats why I have this feeling he may not challenge at next weeks Caucus meeting and leaves it until the following one and then challenge within 6-9 months of the election

Juliar is currently live answering question and her body language gave something away

She was asked at whether she been asked to stand aside she said no but she nodded her head with a YES

Don't be surprised in the 2nd challenge someone else comes out of the woodwork ,probably a current Gillard supporter who might upend all of them

We'll see. My personal feeling is he'll collect a lot of those undecideds. I mean if you support Gillard you'd say so right? Most of the people in that column will vote for Rudd but don't want to be identified as such. Even the Gillard camp think he has a solid 30 votes.

 

[happy_tiger]

If Gillard & Abbott contest the next Federal election it shows how little respect the parties have for the voting public and I will gladly pay the fine for not voting

Smeg It is a very tempting thought but I reckon it will be a Gillard v Turnbull at the next election

IMO if it is not Julia it won't be Rudd either

 

[Tiger_Watto]

How bout when they sort out who the King of the Castle is, they call an election so the Australian People can have a say who they prefer as PM?

 

[happy_tiger]

Disagree Yoss The maximum votes he will get will be 35

Thats why I have this feeling he may not challenge at next weeks Caucus meeting and leaves it until the following one and then challenge within 6-9 months of the election

Juliar is currently live answering question and her body language gave something away

She was asked at whether she been asked to stand aside she said no but she nodded her head with a YES

Don't be surprised in the 2nd challenge someone else comes out of the woodwork ,probably a current Gillard supporter who might upend all of them

We'll see. My personal feeling is he'll collect a lot of those undecideds. I mean if you support Gillard you'd say so right? Most of the people in that column will vote for Rudd but don't want to be identified as such. Even the Gillard camp think he has a solid 30 votes.

Well the next question would be do you expect to see any changes on the front bench if Julia wins

No doubt at least one person on the front bench is plotting with Rudd I don't think he would challenge unless he has some support from the front bench

 

[Yossarian]

Disagree Yoss The maximum votes he will get will be 35

Thats why I have this feeling he may not challenge at next weeks Caucus meeting and leaves it until the following one and then challenge within 6-9 months of the election

Juliar is currently live answering question and her body language gave something away

She was asked at whether she been asked to stand aside she said no but she nodded her head with a YES

Don't be surprised in the 2nd challenge someone else comes out of the woodwork ,probably a current Gillard supporter who might upend all of them

We'll see. My personal feeling is he'll collect a lot of those undecideds. I mean if you support Gillard you'd say so right? Most of the people in that column will vote for Rudd but don't want to be identified as such. Even the Gillard camp think he has a solid 30 votes.

Well the next question would be do you expect to see any changes on the front bench if Julia wins

No doubt at least one person on the front bench is plotting with Rudd I don't think he would challenge unless he has some support from the front bench

There will be some changes because Rudd is out and it is a chance to do a reshuffle but her problem will be if she makes too many changes it could increase the tensions rather than decrease them.

 

[Yossarian]

How bout when they sort out who the King of the Castle is, they call an election so the Australian People can have a say who they prefer as PM?

We're over 2/3 in to the cycle now. If Rudd wins I'd say he would look at a poll around August or October

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

They should shut up. It's not their place to decide who leads the ALP. In any case Katter is more likely to support Rudd if he wins. Besides Windsor would be signing his own resignation letter if he forces an election.

Any chance Rudd may leave the Labor Party and run as an Independant?

Zero

What about if he loses convincingly? If the writing is on the wall for him, he could walk away from the ALP and withdraw his support for the government… That'd be a nice parting shot.

 

[happy_tiger]

How bout when they sort out who the King of the Castle is, they call an election so the Australian People can have a say who they prefer as PM?

We're over 2/3 in to the cycle now. If Rudd wins I'd say he would look at a poll around August or October

Gillard said 2013 in her speech today

 

[Yossarian]

How bout when they sort out who the King of the Castle is, they call an election so the Australian People can have a say who they prefer as PM?

We're over 2/3 in to the cycle now. If Rudd wins I'd say he would look at a poll around August or October

Gillard said 2013 in her speech today

Gillard will go full term, I'm talking Rudd. I doubt he'll wait that long…

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

How bout when they sort out who the King of the Castle is, they call an election so the Australian People can have a say who they prefer as PM?

We're over 2/3 in to the cycle now. If Rudd wins I'd say he would look at a poll around August or October

Gillard said 2013 in her speech today

Gillard will go full term, I'm talking Rudd. I doubt he'll wait that long…

Of course Gillard will hang on, she's a lame duck now.

She'll go down in history as the only person that made Tony Abbott a remotely attractive alternative…

 

[happy_tiger]

They should shut up. It's not their place to decide who leads the ALP. In any case Katter is more likely to support Rudd if he wins. Besides Windsor would be signing his own resignation letter if he forces an election.

Any chance Rudd may leave the Labor Party and run as an Independant?

Zero

What about if he loses convincingly? If the writing is on the wall for him, he could walk away from the ALP and withdraw his support for the government… That'd be a nice parting shot.

I think his parting shot will be his second challenge for the PM's job

I honestly think that if he can't get the job he wants to take the whole party down (and obviously Julia) with him

 

[Yossarian]

They should shut up. It's not their place to decide who leads the ALP. In any case Katter is more likely to support Rudd if he wins. Besides Windsor would be signing his own resignation letter if he forces an election.

Any chance Rudd may leave the Labor Party and run as an Independant?

Zero

What about if he loses convincingly? If the writing is on the wall for him, he could walk away from the ALP and withdraw his support for the government… That'd be a nice parting shot.

Watto was talking about him running as an independent rather than sitting as one. In any case he could get 2 votes and I still highly doubt he'd quit the party. I just think he has far too much respect for the ALP as a party to pull something like that.

In any case as long as he polls say more than 30 votes there will be another challenge. Keating lost by 22 votes on his first run at Hawke. He is pretty much the Labor version of Howard - so long as there is some level of public support he will hang around until his time comes again.

 

[Citizen_Tiger]

What about discussing a real issue ? Like
The recommendations of the Gonski report . This initiative ( getting the report) by the Gillard govt is a massive step in the right direction for social justice and fair education in Australia .

ATM a child who attends a private school receives more education $$/student then a child who attends a public school ( its aproxx double ! ) . This regressive system of
Providing more funding to children who ( generally but not exclusively ) come from already privileged backgrounds needs to change , and congratulations to this Labor govt for addressing the issue .
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If you assume that the majority of kids that go to private schools are from priveliged
backgrounds, you're simply unaware. Private schools these days have a majority of parents with second mortgages, generous grandparents or children with bursaries or scolarships.

Which is fine but why should their choice be heavily subsidised by the government? If you want to put yourself in a bind to send your kids to Kings or Barker, that's your choice but don't expect my taxes to help you out. And in any case I think it is crazy to suggest the majority of students at these schools aren't from well-off families but if you've got some stats that say otherwise I'm happy to look at them.

You're arguing with yourself, I didn't mention the morality or economics of private school funding. I don't need to produce any stats, being the parent of two boys who have attended a private institution over the last seven years, I'm in a significantly better position than either you or the previous poster to have a lucid understanding of parent's aspirations for their children and how they sacrifice some basics to fulfil them. Perhaps you thought I toted their statements of financial position around in my briefcase?

On the contrary, it's up to you blokes that rely on nothing more than anecdotal evidence and your comfortable stereotypes, to either put up or shut up?