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happy_tiger
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@Flippedy said:
And you think I'm a goose Flip :unamused:
Join the Goose club Flip :laughing:
hammertime
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@happy tiger said:
I don't reckon mate. I think Rudd will make his move closer to the election and try to float through in the honeymoon period, before everyone remembers how bad he is. Exactly what gillard did last election.
What about discussing a real issue ? Like
The recommendations of the Gonski report . This initiative ( getting the report) by the Gillard govt is a massive step in the right direction for social justice and fair education in Australia .
ATM a child who attends a private school receives more education $$/student then a child who attends a public school ( its aproxx double ! ) . This regressive system of
Providing more funding to children who ( generally but not exclusively ) come from already privileged backgrounds needs to change , and congratulations to this Labor govt for addressing the issue .
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The recommendations of the Gonski report . This initiative ( getting the report) by the Gillard govt is a massive step in the right direction for social justice and fair education in Australia .
ATM a child who attends a private school receives more education $$/student then a child who attends a public school ( its aproxx double ! ) . This regressive system of
Providing more funding to children who ( generally but not exclusively ) come from already privileged backgrounds needs to change , and congratulations to this Labor govt for addressing the issue .
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hammertime
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@Rambo2714 said:
Rambo, there are always things that need doing. For now, I am EXTREMELY concerned about the demographic shift and what that is going to do to the indebted economies around the world.
Australians don't know enough about it. But the US, UK etc. have major underfunded pension liabilities. Very soon we have the boomer population retiring, which will change the tax proportions in aus from 9 taxpayer to 1 retiree to 3 to 1\. social security and health costs will go through the roof!! Our budget will be in deficit for decades.
We need to pay off debt and we need to do it fast!! America and the UK are going to hurt a lot more than they are now and i fear it might be far worse than the GFC.We need to pay off debt and build a buffer now!!! We can't just keep spending.
I applaud labor for doing nothing with the extra spending highlighted in the report.
Citizen_Tiger
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@Rambo2714 said:
A deaf, dumb and blind man could have appropriated the $16.2 billion in BER funds intelligently, without the benefit of a Gonski Report. While public education was screaming for meaningful and relevant resources, the Labor Gov't was focussing on black fences, halls and libraries.
If you assume that the majority of kids that go to private schools are from priveliged backgrounds, you're simply unaware. Private schools these days have a majority of parents with second mortgages, generous grandparents or children with bursaries or scolarships.
@Citizen Tiger said:
Which is fine but why should their choice be heavily subsidised by the government? If you want to put yourself in a bind to send your kids to Kings or Barker, that's your choice but don't expect my taxes to help you out. And in any case I think it is crazy to suggest the majority of students at these schools aren't from well-off families but if you've got some stats that say otherwise I'm happy to look at them.
@Yossarian said:
I totally agree with you Yoss. The public education system is severely underfunded, and is unable to pay quality staff what they are worth. I've always been a proponent of the idea that a private school doesn't necessarily produce a better or more educated student than the public system but moreso depends on the student's willingness to learn, but it is less likely for them to realise their potential when their school is under resourced.
I am livid that taxpayer funding goes into a school where they can charge students thousands of dollars per term in school fees. I graduated from high school ten years ago from a brand new school which has no resources to teach us with, while the catholic school up the road was slamming parents $6,000 a semester for a student AND receiving government funding at the same time!
westTAHger
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as we now know Kevin Rudd has resigned as foreign minister.
interesting to see what comes of this, how it affects Labor party
regardless of political persuasions, would be nice for once to see any politician act responsibly instead of carrying on with bickering that you see in a school yard.
they are supposed to be leaders.
some of them could not lead a dog up a garden path.
interesting to see what comes of this, how it affects Labor party
regardless of political persuasions, would be nice for once to see any politician act responsibly instead of carrying on with bickering that you see in a school yard.
they are supposed to be leaders.
some of them could not lead a dog up a garden path.
happy_tiger
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@westTAHger said:
Now when it is finally revealed that someone close to Julia Gillard released the footage will she resign also for lying for the umpteenth time
That'll be a big noski I reckon
How the worm turns eh?
The 'faceless men' aka Shorten, Abib, Feeney, Howse et al, that so cowardly assassinated Rudd are the ones he is now working with to do the same to Gillard.
She has now called a leadership ballot for Monday.
You reap what you sow….
What chance the GG calls a no confidence motion on this band of clowns?
The 'faceless men' aka Shorten, Abib, Feeney, Howse et al, that so cowardly assassinated Rudd are the ones he is now working with to do the same to Gillard.
She has now called a leadership ballot for Monday.
You reap what you sow….
What chance the GG calls a no confidence motion on this band of clowns?
@stryker said:
None. Her son-in-law is in the ALP mate. I'm neither Coalition or ALP aligned, but that is conflict of interest if I've ever seen it.
Blackpearl
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umm …...... i dont believe the gg can call a no confidence motion. the gg acts on the directions of whoever the pm / govt is. interesting week coming up with labor at their own throats, the jones, bolts and hadleys and associated media thugs frothing at the mouth and the soulless, amoral abbott champing at the bit.
Yeah she can…it has to be passed in parliament and then she decides though. Wilkie and Windsor both seem shakey...you never know. If there is leadership change, Rudd will have to do some fast talking one would expect.
Its funny in Rudds speech the main concern he has with Abbott is his temperament and experience. He has a far better temperament than Kevvy and a hell of a lot more experience.
Its funny in Rudds speech the main concern he has with Abbott is his temperament and experience. He has a far better temperament than Kevvy and a hell of a lot more experience.
Interesting day coming up on Monday…plenty of scenarios on offer.
Rudd would not have quit his portfolio and rushed back to Oz if he doesnt think he is a fair chance.
Gillard will most probably win the ballot but that will be the last thing she ever wins.
Rudd loses, does he bide his time for a second crack?
Rudd loses, does he resign his position forcing a by-election?
Is there a chance of a no-confidence motion being presented and if so will the independants finally wake up to them selves?
If Gillard wins but only just, how does she react?
If Rudd wins, what if any revenge is he after?
How will the factions react?
Will a third person put their hand up? As long as it isnt Bowen, Combet or Shorten - who are dangerously stupid and patently incompetent men, they might Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon both Gillard and Rudd.
At the end of the day this is a huge mess and an embarrassment for the country. These people are hopeless and surely any senseable person can see that they just are not cut out to lead this country. All they do is squabble, backstab and try to one up each other.
Now is the time for the Liberals to start working on and releasing policies as this party continues to self detruct. Abbott is best off saying very little about this crap, rather prove to the stubborn voters who vote along family lines that they have got it wrong and that there is only one true party that is capable of leading this nation. A few good policies will cause a huge swing from Labor to Liberal and result in a record breaking landslide election result.
Rudd would not have quit his portfolio and rushed back to Oz if he doesnt think he is a fair chance.
Gillard will most probably win the ballot but that will be the last thing she ever wins.
Rudd loses, does he bide his time for a second crack?
Rudd loses, does he resign his position forcing a by-election?
Is there a chance of a no-confidence motion being presented and if so will the independants finally wake up to them selves?
If Gillard wins but only just, how does she react?
If Rudd wins, what if any revenge is he after?
How will the factions react?
Will a third person put their hand up? As long as it isnt Bowen, Combet or Shorten - who are dangerously stupid and patently incompetent men, they might Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon both Gillard and Rudd.
At the end of the day this is a huge mess and an embarrassment for the country. These people are hopeless and surely any senseable person can see that they just are not cut out to lead this country. All they do is squabble, backstab and try to one up each other.
Now is the time for the Liberals to start working on and releasing policies as this party continues to self detruct. Abbott is best off saying very little about this crap, rather prove to the stubborn voters who vote along family lines that they have got it wrong and that there is only one true party that is capable of leading this nation. A few good policies will cause a huge swing from Labor to Liberal and result in a record breaking landslide election result.
Gary_Bakerloo
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@stryker said:
I don't think I am the only person on this forum who would welcome a release of policies from Abbott.
I hope Gillard can keep the job. It has been a tough Prime Ministership with the hung parliament, but the government has functioned passing several pieces of legislation and has maintained a sound fiscal position and strong economy. Rudd's indecisive nature would have seen this government fall over if he had been PM.
Stryker You described your solution and the next problem in one sentence .
Tony Abbott has no policies now , and won't h e any in the future.
His only convicted intentions are to undo some of The labor policies , effectively he has promised to take us backwards .
Which is in fact what all conservatives seek to do , they are normally much better at disguising their actions .
Im clearly some one who values strong social policies , but along with that value I also am a firm believer that the govt must roll through a cycle and change hands every so often .
But Tony Abbott is a hugely incompetent risk and threat to Australia . He is not a good politician by any means , still sporadically puts in his foot in it. Has yet to show any actual leadership qualities, of late has stopped speaking in parliament for fear of further harming his image and HAS NO POLICIES !
I sincerely hope that Turnbull or even Hockey topple him ASAP ,Tony Abbott can't be PM.
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Tony Abbott has no policies now , and won't h e any in the future.
His only convicted intentions are to undo some of The labor policies , effectively he has promised to take us backwards .
Which is in fact what all conservatives seek to do , they are normally much better at disguising their actions .
Im clearly some one who values strong social policies , but along with that value I also am a firm believer that the govt must roll through a cycle and change hands every so often .
But Tony Abbott is a hugely incompetent risk and threat to Australia . He is not a good politician by any means , still sporadically puts in his foot in it. Has yet to show any actual leadership qualities, of late has stopped speaking in parliament for fear of further harming his image and HAS NO POLICIES !
I sincerely hope that Turnbull or even Hockey topple him ASAP ,Tony Abbott can't be PM.
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happy_tiger
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Stryker I don't think Rudd will necessarily challenge at this Caucus meeting I had a long think about it last night and he might be better off waiting until after the Qld state election and when Labour get hammered up here (they will)He may be better off challenging then once they see how bad a predicament they are actually in both state and federally
I don't think he has the numbers (or nearly even close probably 15-20 short imo) and seeing he is out of the country until Friday he is not going to get the chance to sure up any more votes
The only other possibility is that he is going to have two shots at the leadership one now to test the waters and one nearer the election
Maybe Rudd is so angry at the Labor Party that he intends on destroying both them and Julia
He is not short of a quid and will be able to pick up a high paying gig somewhere
I don't think he has the numbers (or nearly even close probably 15-20 short imo) and seeing he is out of the country until Friday he is not going to get the chance to sure up any more votes
The only other possibility is that he is going to have two shots at the leadership one now to test the waters and one nearer the election
Maybe Rudd is so angry at the Labor Party that he intends on destroying both them and Julia
He is not short of a quid and will be able to pick up a high paying gig somewhere
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