Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

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Jedi_Tiger said:
it is interesting the polls got brexit wrong, 2019 election, and Democrats in u.s. we're meant to win in a landslide.
Don't think you can trust the polls
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The Democrats in the usa won easily at the last election despite what Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon claims and yes it was a landslide of 7 million votes
 
the interllects think if they talk long enough ,the people they look down on will actually listen,maybe their just trying 2 confince themselfs.Really hope Australia is not dumb enough to plunge our country into the independents having sway over the nation after all the wacko 2 1/2 years we have all been through,vote responsably folks
 
The failed submarine programme cost the taxpayer $5.5bn. I indicated on the shipbuilding thread the frigate contract is also problematic with the Hunter Class running years behind and doubts the design can accommodate CEAFAR L2 and Aegis despite these requirements being known when the tender was issued.

We learn now the Secretary for Defence has been dispatched to the UK to discuss the frigate with BAE and no doubt the UK Government in the caretaker period which I find to be highly unusual. If Labor are elected, I speculate the Hunter Class will be scrapped in favour of an upgraded Hobart Class destroyer design.

The Type 26 frigate upon which the Hunter Class is based is being built in Glasgow. The first, HMS Glasgow, may have come in heavier than designed, which is normal in ship construction but that impacts the Hunter Class. This is something the Government should have been aware of when selecting a design which is not mature. We'll see how much this will cost the taxpayer.


www.abc.net.au

Australia's Defence boss heads to UK to inspect British-designed warships and have talks on AUKUS, Ukraine

Defence Department secretary Greg Moriarty is visiting the United Kingdom during the election to receive updates on the troubled $45 billion future frigate program and speak to officials about the war in Ukraine and the AUKUS partnership.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Former navy chief now wants US Arleigh Burke destroyers or upgraded Hobarts

MSN

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stryker 69 said:
Independents don’t help anything. All they do is block up the parliamentary processes.
I think we’ll get a hung parliament no matter who gets in and that’s bad for the country.
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Have to disagree Stryker. Whoever is in government when independents hold the balance of power, instead of pushing through whatever takes their fancy they actually have to argue their case. And if the independents in question are not nutters the resulting legislation is usually improved.

My favourite independent of all time was Ted Mack who was the member for North Sydney in the early 90's. If every politician in the country modelled themselves on him the country would be in a much better state.

Can you think of one current politician who, just before they would have qualified for a lifetime parliamentary pension, deliberately timed their resignation so that they would NOT qualify for it? No, nor me.
 
Mac said:
Have to disagree Stryker. Whoever is in government when independents hold the balance of power, instead of pushing through whatever takes their fancy they actually have to argue their case. And if the independents in question are not nutters the resulting legislation is usually improved.

My favourite independent of all time was Ted Mack who was the member for North Sydney in the early 90's. If every politician in the country modelled themselves on him the country would be in a much better state.

Can you think of one current politician who, just before they would have qualified for a lifetime parliamentary pension, deliberately timed their resignation so that they would NOT qualify for it? No, nor me.
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You're correct about Ted Mack. An honourable man in a dishonourable business. Sadly, for every Ted Mack there's one hundred Brian Harradines.
 
stryker 69 said:
Independents don’t help anything. All they do is block up the parliamentary processes.
I think we’ll get a hung parliament no matter who gets in and that’s bad for the country.
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Not necessarily so, exhibit 1: Italy - they have very unstable government because there are no two historically dominant parties.
However, regardless Italy's economy is stronger than Russia,
13th-largest by GDP 2022,and 8th in 2021, for comparison Australia is 14th, and Italy's GDP is 1/5th of China's.
Exhibit 2: Israel, GDP 467, 30th
So, hung parliament can only be a nuisance to a party, and at the same time have neutral/positive effect to countries.
 
Jedi_Tiger said:
much like Elon Musk purchasing Twitter lol the left are in a meltdown as it might no longer be a left echo chamber lol
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You reckon. I see the opposite. I think the right have changed. They've become whiners and liars.

The days of conservatives believing in small government, fiscal responsibility, free trade and the right of the individual has been turned on it's head.

The Twitter purchase is a classic example. These lying right wing scum are getting so excited over this purchase it's hilarious.

The right now want hand-outs, they want their culture imposed onto others and they lack integrity. They whine so much as well.

I hate the whining.

The culture wars for instance are a right wing fantasy that they've created to whine about. It's one of the reasons I'm voting liberal. Morrison tried to put in that religious discrimination bill which was designed to discriminate against trans or gay people who make up such a tiny percent of the population. I've never even met a trans person.

I really like Adam Kinzinger.
 
pawsandclaws1 said:
The failed submarine programme cost the taxpayer $5.5bn. I indicated on the shipbuilding thread the frigate contract is also problematic with the Hunter Class running years behind and doubts the design can accommodate CEAFAR L2 and Aegis despite these requirements being known when the tender was issued.

We learn now the Secretary for Defence has been dispatched to the UK to discuss the frigate with BAE and no doubt the UK Government in the caretaker period which I find to be highly unusual. If Labor are elected, I speculate the Hunter Class will be scrapped in favour of an upgraded Hobart Class destroyer design.

The Type 26 frigate upon which the Hunter Class is based is being built in Glasgow. The first, HMS Glasgow, may have come in heavier than designed, which is normal in ship construction but that impacts the Hunter Class. This is something the Government should have been aware of when selecting a design which is not mature. We'll see how much this will cost the taxpayer.


www.abc.net.au

Australia's Defence boss heads to UK to inspect British-designed warships and have talks on AUKUS, Ukraine

Defence Department secretary Greg Moriarty is visiting the United Kingdom during the election to receive updates on the troubled $45 billion future frigate program and speak to officials about the war in Ukraine and the AUKUS partnership.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au

Former navy chief now wants US Arleigh Burke destroyers or upgraded Hobarts

MSN

www.msn.com
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Need a reference to ships, the Navy, submarines etc in the signings thread, then you have unlocked the final forum achievement. Good luck 👍
 
InBenjiWeTrust said:
Not necessarily so, exhibit 1: Italy - they have very unstable government because there are no two historically dominant parties.
However, regardless Italy's economy is stronger than Russia,
13th-largest by GDP 2022,and 8th in 2021, for comparison Australia is 14th, and Italy's GDP is 1/5th of China's.
Exhibit 2: Israel, GDP 467, 30th
So, hung parliament can only be a nuisance to a party, and at the same time have neutral/positive effect to countries.
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It may work overseas…
 
Mac said:
Have to disagree Stryker. Whoever is in government when independents hold the balance of power, instead of pushing through whatever takes their fancy they actually have to argue their case. And if the independents in question are not nutters the resulting legislation is usually improved.

My favourite independent of all time was Ted Mack who was the member for North Sydney in the early 90's. If every politician in the country modelled themselves on him the country would be in a much better state.

Can you think of one current politician who, just before they would have qualified for a lifetime parliamentary pension, deliberately timed their resignation so that they would NOT qualify for it? No, nor me.
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Rob Oakshot says hello.
 
Magpie_Magic said:
With regards the 5.5 billion wasted on defense re cancelled contract that is enough to equip the RAAF with 4 fighter squadrons or the RAN with 3 frigates.

Not insignificant.

And 80 billion for 8 nuclear subs is rich for me. Obviously they didn't haggle in any way let alone tender.


And Dutton with his sabre rattling has attracted the ire of our superpower neighbor and biggest trading partner.

And exert from the China foreign ministry.

Beijing says the Australian defense minister was seeking to score political points by clamoring for war

China has accused Australia’s defense chief of slander and making “wild remarks” over his comment that Australians should “prepare for war.”

“Certain Australian politicians often seek selfish political gains by making wild remarks to smear China and clamor for a war,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Wang Wenbin said on Tuesday.

“Such despicable moves are seen through by the Chinese people and the international community.”


Commonsense dictates you build self defense in a non provocative way.

Whatever happens China will not sell out of our neighborhood so it's wise and unnecessary to avoid intemperate speech..
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This is for Peter Dutton to think about the next time he wants to speak of war.

 
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