Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[AndTheKungFoSing]

Wats everyones take on the gay marriage being legalised?

I put it to everyone this way:

Shane Warne tapped anything with two legs and a heartbeat while he had a wife at home raising his kids, Liz Taylor was married what… Seven times? Natalie Wood married the same man twice. Yet we're worried about two gay people who love and care about each other destroying the sanctity of marriage? FFS... Let them be recognised as married in the eyes of the law, it's not for the religious groups to dictate their doctrine to the government...

I swear attitudes of some (not anyone on here, I refer to people I've spoken with and such,) toward this show that some are falling behind on the evolutionary curve... I weep for the future of humanity.

Completely agree mate. I have argued with so many people over this issue and it amazes me how many people still show prejudice on the matter. Would be interesting to see how the wider public reacted if such laws were passed though.

Also agree with the weeping for humanity… I feel like I do that constantly lol

 

[galea_11]

Ha climate change ? just a govt funded slush fund for all the people in the KNOW to get funding . All the greenie bludgers who havent worked in the real world will come up with an idea ? Then get taxpayer funding for RESEARCH ?? then after all the money spent will realise in 5yrs time , oh that idea didnt work oh well i tried . That union official Kim sattler is a great pinup girl for the labor party just feed idiots welfare and they will vote for u like sheep

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The Bible condemns homosexuality.!!!

I don't realy care for hearing what the bible condems in a political discussion. Save it for a religious thread thanks

 

[Yossarian]

Ha climate change ? just a govt funded slush fund for all the people in the KNOW to get funding . All the greenie bludgers who havent worked in the real world will come up with an idea ? Then get taxpayer funding for RESEARCH ?? then after all the money spent will realise in 5yrs time , oh that idea didnt work oh well i tried . That union official Kim sattler is a great pinup girl for the labor party just feed idiots welfare and they will vote for u like sheep

Take a deep breath and try to provide some rational comments. The whole greenie bludger, welfare, unions bad, spend money stuff is a bit tired. Debate the issues rather that going for the old chestnut pot shots.

Greenie bludgers? By this I take it you mean scientists who have studied this thing for their entire careers? You're welcome to dispute the conclusions but play the ball not the man. So what is your comment on Abbott's direct interventon model?

Kim Sattler? She's allowed to talk to people right? Besides she is a union official. She's not a Member of any parliament, not an ALP official. I assume she is an ALP member but I couldn't even say that is correct.
Yeah she either accidentally or wilfilly misrepresented something someone else said. Telegraph and Alan Jones get away with this sort of rubbish all the time.

 

[tiger_rat]

The Bible condemns homosexuality.!!!

I don't realy care for hearing what the bible condems in a political discussion. Save it for a religious thread thanks

oh, oh sorry did you hear it or read it.? but yes how silly of me. :crazy

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The Bible condemns homosexuality.!!!

I don't realy care for hearing what the bible condems in a political discussion. Save it for a religious thread thanks

oh, oh sorry did you hear it or read it.? but yes how silly of me. :crazy

Well, no actually i read your comment, hence why i replied :unamused:
but anyway i could care less what the bible has to say as im an athiest. I think im the one who should be sorry coz its obvious my original comment struck a nerve for you :wink:

 

[tiger_rat]

The Bible condemns homosexuality.!!!

I don't realy care for hearing what the bible condems in a political discussion. Save it for a religious thread thanks

oh, oh sorry did you hear it or read it.? but yes how silly of me. :crazy

Well, no actually i read your comment, hence why i replied :unamused:
but anyway i could care less what the bible has to say as im an athiest. I think im the one who should be sorry coz its obvious my original comment struck a nerve for you :wink:

OH dear , Whats the world coming to. I think i'll bar myself from this thread . :laughing:

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Ha climate change ? just a govt funded slush fund for all the people in the KNOW to get funding . All the greenie bludgers who havent worked in the real world will come up with an idea ? Then get taxpayer funding for RESEARCH ?? then after all the money spent will realise in 5yrs time , oh that idea didnt work oh well i tried . That union official Kim sattler is a great pinup girl for the labor party just feed idiots welfare and they will vote for u like sheep

Take a deep breath and try to provide some rational comments. The whole greenie bludger, welfare, unions bad, spend money stuff is a bit tired. Debate the issues rather that going for the old chestnut pot shots.

Greenie bludgers? By this I take it you mean scientists who have studied this thing for their entire careers? You're welcome to dispute the conclusions but play the ball not the man. So what is your comment on Abbott's direct interventon model?

Kim Sattler? She's allowed to talk to people right? Besides she is a union official. She's not a Member of any parliament, not an ALP official. I assume she is an ALP member but I couldn't even say that is correct.
Yeah she either accidentally or wilfilly misrepresented something someone else said. Telegraph and Alan Jones get away with this sort of rubbish all the time.

Have to say I'm sick of the pot shots too… Not a staunch supporter of either party, but that standard lines that are trotted out with both parties are their supporters is a little tired and cliche.

Can we agree to disagree? It's been a fairly passive and well thought thread thus far. No need for name calling based purely on your political and/or moral compass.

 

[hammertime]

I think people are angry with the Private Health changes because of the waste that has gone on! Lets be honest, there has been SO much means testing on everything already that the people who pay the majority of tax are really getting sick of it.

BOTH cash handouts, means tested. Solar Panels, means tested. Batts, means tested. ETS, income distribution. Waste on every policy - NBN, BER & Batts. There are a tonne more.

If they need to start doing stuff like this, they need to start rationalizing MAJOR spends like the NBN with a Cost/Benefit Analysis at a minimum.

The absolute arrogance and disregard, shown by the Labor party, for people's hard earned money makes my blood boil.

 

[galea_11]

Ha climate change ? just a govt funded slush fund for all the people in the KNOW to get funding . All the greenie bludgers who havent worked in the real world will come up with an idea ? Then get taxpayer funding for RESEARCH ?? then after all the money spent will realise in 5yrs time , oh that idea didnt work oh well i tried . That union official Kim sattler is a great pinup girl for the labor party just feed idiots welfare and they will vote for u like sheep

Take a deep breath and try to provide some rational comments. The whole greenie bludger, welfare, unions bad, spend money stuff is a bit tired. Debate the issues rather that going for the old chestnut pot shots.

Greenie bludgers? By this I take it you mean scientists who have studied this thing for their entire careers? You're welcome to dispute the conclusions but play the ball not the man. So what is your comment on Abbott's direct interventon model?

Kim Sattler? She's allowed to talk to people right? Besides she is a union official. She's not a Member of any parliament, not an ALP official. I assume she is an ALP member but I couldn't even say that is correct.
Yeah she either accidentally or wilfilly misrepresented something someone else said. Telegraph and Alan Jones get away with this sort of rubbish all the time.

No worries Abbotts direct action plan is to appease the % of voters who are on the fence regards environment and liberal views . He knows its all window dressing and it limits govt in attacking him for not doing anything . The other % of voters he has have seen all the smoke and mirrors ala TIM Flannery " We will never see rainfall like we use to it will deccimate QLD then it FLOODS "?? Hmm hes a sharp one! and have no one else to vote for besides lib/nats . Lucky we built Desal Plant to.
I agree scientists arent greenie bludgers but they know when they are on a good thing with govt funding .They are just 1 section of the green industrie its the rest that scare me money and accountability means zero to them until its there money .Just tax the workers more and raise the Dole payments

Kim sattler yeh shes allowed to talk to ppl but shes an example of giving power to dumb ppl .She knew she was setting the aboriginals up with misinformation like a schoolkid egging on another kid to do something if shes a high ranking union official no wonder there is alot of job losses in this country . I reckon we could assume she is an ALP member its the same hat union official labor official . Dont get me wrong there all there for themselves LIBS /LABOUR but lets pay the politicians more so we dont get these bottomfeeders running a country lets get succesful busines ppl to run it

 

[Yossarian]

Union officials aren't ALP officials. She's from Unions ACT who while largely in league with the Labor party, aren't the same thing. They often have widely different views on things. She's certainly not a member of a parliamentary ALP party. She has power because she was voted there by union members. Frankly I don't care who she talks to about what (within reason) so long as she does a good job representing her members. I think we can agree her comments were hardly helpful but her links to Gillard are tenuous at best.

Most scientists receive no direct government funding. The ones in Australia get funding through universities. To suggest they offer an opinion based on a desire to receive more funding is a bit of an insult to them. Besides there are plenty of scientists based overseas who agree with them. Their opinions have zero to do with dole payments.

Flannery and others are talking regular rainfall. He (and the others) agree that global warming will lead to more destructive weather patterns. If anything the long list of natural disasters in Queensland would indicate he is right.

You seem to agree that Abbott is wasting a lot of money on something he doesn't believe in. To be honest I'd have more respect if he did nothing. Climate change is a complex issue and there is a significant cost in doing nothing but at least he'd be more honest with the public.

 

[stryker]

Agree with most of that except Flannery. He has been proven wrong more than right. He stated (during the drought btw), that regular rainfall in Australia was a thing of the past. The past 2 years have seen his theorys smashed to pieces.

I saw his name on a list of Australias most influential people. Unfortunately he is, which is a real shame because he is just geussing like the rest of us….in fact personally I think the bloke is a lunatic that cant be taken seriously.

As for Sattler, what an idiot she is. She stirs up all this trouble by spreading lies, that casts this country in a bad light internationally, then lies and denies it, then as evidence starts to mount against her she turns it all around again on Abbott with that desperate press conference, then audio emerges of her doing exactly what she said she didnt..so now she has admitted her part and is on a campaign of appologies and explanations. I dont want to hear it. She is just another distrustful loudmouth and if the ACTU had any balls they'd get rid of her. What was she even doing there? This was a planned event mark my words.

 

[Yossarian]

She's from Unions ACT not the ACTU. She stuffed up. I don't think it should cost her her job.

 

[stryker]

She's from Unions ACT not the ACTU. She stuffed up. I don't think it should cost her her job.

My mistake. She did this on purpose and then lied about it many times. The worst part is because of her, those pictures of our leaders being ushered into cars to escape an angry mob were broadcast around the world and it has renewed debate that Australia is a racist country. That is very much fireable in my book. Her actions were deliberate and harmful and then she tried to cover it all up. She should be ashamed of herself. If I was a union man I would be ropeable that the ACT boss carried on like this.

 

[Yossarian]

I'm not sure you can blame her entirely for what happened. Something like that shouldn't make people carry on like that. When you thought it was because of Abbott's comments you were blaming the mob which is correct. She should stop telling porkies to the media though.

I think this needs to be placed in context - some people banged on a window, Gillard lost a shoe… Compare this to a real protest overseas (e.g. London) or what is going on in Syria. It was unfortunate but it was a minor incident by global standards.

 

[Flippedy]

Wats everyones take on the gay marriage being legalised?

I put it to everyone this way:

Shane Warne tapped anything with two legs and a heartbeat while he had a wife at home raising his kids, Liz Taylor was married what… Seven times? Natalie Wood married the same man twice. Yet we're worried about two gay people who love and care about each other destroying the sanctity of marriage? FFS... Let them be recognised as married in the eyes of the law, it's not for the religious groups to dictate their doctrine to the government...

I swear attitudes of some (not anyone on here, I refer to people I've spoken with and such,) toward this show that some are falling behind on the evolutionary curve... I weep for the future of humanity.

Completely agree mate. I have argued with so many people over this issue and it amazes me how many people still show prejudice on the matter. Would be interesting to see how the wider public reacted if such laws were passed though.

Also agree with the weeping for humanity… I feel like I do that constantly lol

X3 The thing I can't understand is why Christians (and I am one, myself) get into such a frenzy over this issue. They heap so much vitriol upon the gay community, all in the name of protecting the so called sanctity of marriage - an institution that Jesus said doesn't even exist in Heaven, anyway, and something that the apostle Paul said we were all better off not doing here on earth! LOL

Seriously though, anyone who works towards denying another human being access to the same basic human rights, as they themselves enjoy, is not following the command that Jesus gave us to love one another. It's nothing more than discrimination and self righteousness - something that Christ loathed. The church, as a whole, needs to take a really good look at itself and ask the question - who are we really representing here on earth, in our actions and in our attitudes? Ourselves, with our man-made laws and ideologies, or God?

 

[happy_tiger]

I agree that the Church should stay out of politics and if the state wants to give gays the right to marry thats fine with Happy

But the Church still has the right to voice their opinion whether they agree or disagree Its not the Churches fault that the politicians choose to listen to the Church because they are worried they may lose a percentage of votes

And thats all the politicians (on both sides mind you) give a crap about The don't really care whether gays get a right to marry or not

But when the gay vote gets bigger than the religious vote watch out

The one thing that has annoyed me about this part of the thread is that its been obvious that many of the pot shots have been aimed at the Catholic Church

Every Church has made mistakes in the past and willso in the future also The Catholic Church isn't the only religion that opposes gay marriages

 

[tiger_rat]

02:06 AEDT Fri Feb 17 2012
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Another reason to BOOT the GILLARD Goverment OUT !!
Asylum seekers receive $10k gift packs
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"Basic provisions" worth thousands of dollars, including DVDs and plasma TVs, are being included in welcome packs provided to asylum seekers being housed in rent-free homes while their claims are processed.

The instant home package includes around 60 items, including beds, baby items for families with small children, fridges and food storage containers, as well as a minimum size 53cm television.

Food hampers are also provided as families are moved out of detention into rent-free accommodation in the community, News Ltd newspapers said.

The federal opposition revealed Senate estimates this week showed families of more than nine could receive up to $9850 in furnishings, while an average family of five was eligible for $7100 worth of goods, News Ltd said.

Among other items provided under special consideration were baby items, computers, internet access and mobile phones, children's toys, including games consoles and sewing machines.

Asylum seekers also were provided with free medical and pharmaceutical costs, education and fortnightly payments of up to $433.25 to help those unable to work.

Almost 1600 asylum seekers are housed in community detention across the country.

 

[Gary_Bakerloo]

02:06 AEDT Fri Feb 17 2012

Another reason to BOOT the GILLARD Goverment OUT !!
Asylum seekers receive $10k gift packs
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"Basic provisions" worth thousands of dollars, including DVDs and plasma TVs, are being included in welcome packs provided to asylum seekers being housed in rent-free homes while their claims are processed.

The instant home package includes around 60 items, including beds, baby items for families with small children, fridges and food storage containers, as well as a minimum size 53cm television.

Food hampers are also provided as families are moved out of detention into rent-free accommodation in the community, News Ltd newspapers said.

The federal opposition revealed Senate estimates this week showed families of more than nine could receive up to $9850 in furnishings, while an average family of five was eligible for $7100 worth of goods, News Ltd said.

Among other items provided under special consideration were baby items, computers, internet access and mobile phones, children's toys, including games consoles and sewing machines.

Asylum seekers also were provided with free medical and pharmaceutical costs, education and fortnightly payments of up to $433.25 to help those unable to work.

Almost 1600 asylum seekers are housed in community detention across the country.

They are asylum seekers, they have probably fled their previous country due to persecution and have nothing. They not immigrants who have arrived here with some wealth.

See this quote from Bowen:

"We have a duty of care to provide essential items such as cleaning supplies, furniture and bedding, and baby items such as prams, for vulnerable asylum seekers in community detention," a spokesman said.

"**People do not keep the goods**, they remain in a house when a family moves out and are used by the next people who move in. These people are not allowed to work."

$10,000 for a family (or more) is bugger all cost compared to keeping these people in detention. The sooner they get into society and start contributing the better.

 

[tiger_rat]

No hope in sight for Australia's homeless

Welfare agencies unable to cope with demand
50,000 eligible people turned away from emergency housing services
Asylum seekers get better access to housing, health, mental health and other services ahead of Australians
Social services groups are turning away needy people in droves, unable to meet the growing demand for help across Australia.

While the community welfare sector has increased its workload, it has not been able to keep up with the significant jump in requests for assistance.

The Australian Council of Social Services (ACOSS) has released survey results today that confirm the perilous state of Australia’s capacity to deal with the surge in request for assistance.

Its “Australian Community Sector Survey” points to a 12 per cent increase in assistance provided by non-government welfare agencies to July last year when compared with the previous corresponding period.

Of the 745 agencies surveyed in the annual report, 89 per cent identified mental health services as the most pressing unmet need, closely followed by homelessness and housing services.It also shows a 19 per cent jump in the number of people turned away during the same period.

The situation is so dire that every day half the people who request immediate accommodation from the homeless service system are turned away.

Two in every 3 children who need support are also turned away, as are almost 80% percent of families.

ACOSS chief executive Cassandra Goldie said the survey’s findings exposed a misconception that Australia had fully recovered from the global financial crisis.

“The increasing number of people turning to the community welfare sector reflects the steep lag effects of the GFC, suggesting that the benefits of economic recovery have been unevenly distributed,” Dr Goldie said.

“It also reflects the gross inadequacy of basic social security payments, particularly for those who are not in paid work and the growing cost of living pressures more people are under, especially to keep an affordable roof over their head.”

The survey records almost 50,000 instances across the nation in which people were turned away from homelessness and housing services.

According to Homelessness Australia, Each day nearly 1 in every 200 Australians is homeless, without safe, secure or affordable housing. Last year, 105,000 Australians experienced homelessness.

23% of Australia’s homeless are children – almost one in four homeless people is under 18\. Of every 42 Australian children one under the age of four has experienced homelessness.

Meanwhile the Australian Government is spending millions on providing accommodation, education, healthcare, meals and other services to asylum seekers.

In fact in the last 18 months, the Government funded accommodation for over 400 asylum seekers at the Virginia Palms resort in Brisbane and Darwin’s Asti Hotel and other “alternative accommodation” at a cost of some $86 million to taxpayers.