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Balmain_Bobby
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Given that Yossarian is a fictional figure I guess you probably have another ID on here as well :laughing:
The fact is, since the US purge of " Commies under the bed ", most genuine Communists decided not risk their health by being branded as such.
Many joined the socialist scene as it was closest to their mantra. Gillard is no exception, and as the given pursuit of the Fabians is the " Influence Political views and thinking ", it is done by gradual means, and as they freely admit, there's no hurry.
The fact that most of the world is sick of dictators like Gaddafi and his regime's, the swing to democracy will keep them quiet for a while.
The way society is though, a form of communism, or the New World Order, is a foregone conclusion. We will never see it in our lifetime, but it will have to happen, or the war that ends mankind will happen.
We have millions of starving children around the world, but when they are in Africa where their are no oil reserves, the US and the UN will only do so much.
We already see how much of our planet is being raped for minerals, and population growths cannot be sustained.
The Japanese have been buying up farms since the 1930's, and one of them, until recently, sent their entire beef stocks back to Japan. My 4th great grandafther back in the 1840's was head stockman on one of these properties when it was first set up in the New England.
As populations grow, smaller countries will not be able to sustain enough land to feed their people, so unless something drastic happens, as when China brought in the one child policy, it's just inevitable.
In the past, plagues, war and famon reduced populations, but given the advances in medicine, plagues are under control, food is in the hands of multi nationals, and war, with the advance in weapons, do not kill as many civilians as they used to. Advances in medicine also see us living 10 - 15 years longer than we did 100 years ago.
When all these things come into play, there will be no way to manage the world as we know it now.
As I always add, IMHO. :wink:
The fact is, since the US purge of " Commies under the bed ", most genuine Communists decided not risk their health by being branded as such.
Many joined the socialist scene as it was closest to their mantra. Gillard is no exception, and as the given pursuit of the Fabians is the " Influence Political views and thinking ", it is done by gradual means, and as they freely admit, there's no hurry.
The fact that most of the world is sick of dictators like Gaddafi and his regime's, the swing to democracy will keep them quiet for a while.
The way society is though, a form of communism, or the New World Order, is a foregone conclusion. We will never see it in our lifetime, but it will have to happen, or the war that ends mankind will happen.
We have millions of starving children around the world, but when they are in Africa where their are no oil reserves, the US and the UN will only do so much.
We already see how much of our planet is being raped for minerals, and population growths cannot be sustained.
The Japanese have been buying up farms since the 1930's, and one of them, until recently, sent their entire beef stocks back to Japan. My 4th great grandafther back in the 1840's was head stockman on one of these properties when it was first set up in the New England.
As populations grow, smaller countries will not be able to sustain enough land to feed their people, so unless something drastic happens, as when China brought in the one child policy, it's just inevitable.
In the past, plagues, war and famon reduced populations, but given the advances in medicine, plagues are under control, food is in the hands of multi nationals, and war, with the advance in weapons, do not kill as many civilians as they used to. Advances in medicine also see us living 10 - 15 years longer than we did 100 years ago.
When all these things come into play, there will be no way to manage the world as we know it now.
As I always add, IMHO. :wink:
I only have one ID for this forum. On the other hand your rants look like those of a certain banned poster…
New World Order indeed...
New World Order indeed...
@Balmain Bobby said:
It's not funny it's obvious. The Fabian Society is a progressive think tank and they quite openly see the ALP as the party that represents their broad views. I'd be surprised if someone from the LNP was a member.
Please cite some examples of ALP vote rigging. Every party has branch stackers, the Liberals aren't much better than the ALP in this respect.
Yep there are some bad pollies out there. Not going to comment on your Craig Thompson comment since nothing has been proved. Hope he doesn't sue you!!
Balmain_Bobby
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I only have one ID for this forum. On the other hand your rants look like those of a certain banned poster…
New World Order indeed...
I can assure you I have never been on this forum before, and from your posts, I can see your quite an experienced forum baiter and bully. I have experienced your kind before, the usual niggling insults, like calling posts " Rants ", and labelling comments as " Dribble ".
One can only assume your bravado is limited to only your keyboard where you feel in control, but in real life would be quite the opposite. I have been on the net basically since it started, and have seen many like you, one eyed and unable to accept other points of view. I would hope Craig Thompson would sue, Fairwork Australia isn't going to do what's right by referring the case to the DPP, so obviously a bit of Labor Muscle to keep Thompson in his position so that Labor isn't placed into the situation where they can't govern. It is a proven fact he used a Union credit card to pay for the services of prostitutes, and while he was married, that's the sort of moral issue I am more concerned about rather than how he can legally worm his way out of being prosecuted.
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Wow I had no idea we were dealing with such a noted political commentary website! So even handed and non-partisan too. No wonder he didn't source it!!!
I would of sourced it, but I don't hang around a forum all day waiting for immature psuedo intellectuals to make insults about my posts. You wonder why I would hate politicians and their followers, especially the left wing morons who cannot accept any other view but their own.
New World Order indeed...
I can assure you I have never been on this forum before, and from your posts, I can see your quite an experienced forum baiter and bully. I have experienced your kind before, the usual niggling insults, like calling posts " Rants ", and labelling comments as " Dribble ".
One can only assume your bravado is limited to only your keyboard where you feel in control, but in real life would be quite the opposite. I have been on the net basically since it started, and have seen many like you, one eyed and unable to accept other points of view. I would hope Craig Thompson would sue, Fairwork Australia isn't going to do what's right by referring the case to the DPP, so obviously a bit of Labor Muscle to keep Thompson in his position so that Labor isn't placed into the situation where they can't govern. It is a proven fact he used a Union credit card to pay for the services of prostitutes, and while he was married, that's the sort of moral issue I am more concerned about rather than how he can legally worm his way out of being prosecuted.
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Wow I had no idea we were dealing with such a noted political commentary website! So even handed and non-partisan too. No wonder he didn't source it!!!
I would of sourced it, but I don't hang around a forum all day waiting for immature psuedo intellectuals to make insults about my posts. You wonder why I would hate politicians and their followers, especially the left wing morons who cannot accept any other view but their own.
Balmain_Bobby
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@Rambo2714 said:
Alan Jones, he wanted me to come out of retirement when he was coaching, I told him " no way, I aint getting pulled off at half time "
Seriously Rambo, my son has a German Shephard called Rambo, and he is capable of a more intelligent remark than that.
@stryker said:
They will Mate, my 4WD will have more seats than Labor, but Rambo has a point with Abbott. Labor has been so poor, that a bloke like Abbott will probably get the nod. What he did to Pauline Hanson, and is still proud of it, sickens me. Also, I don't value his christian beliefs in the slightest, like the catholic mafia, all week go about their murderous way and go to mass on sunday. Hypocrits the lot of them. AT least Turnbull made his fortune well before he went into politics, and isn't in it for money. Labor is going to be in opposition for a lot longer this time, and that's another problem, when they finally get back in, they go nuts making up for lost time and spending on useless programmes to buy votes. Honestly they are as bad as each other, none are capable of thinking 20 years down the track, and the nation and it's people's needs.
hammertime
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How can you rip on the once great Tigers coach Rambo?!
Look, Abbott is bad. I agree. The thing is, he will do less damage. He will spend less money and make sure policy is executed properly… And it's about the team, not the man.
Yoss will bite my head off for this, but I believe the liberal team are far smarter business people. Guys like Trurnbull get there on merit, not from being paid dues for being a union hack for a period of time.
Labor is broken. They have implemented very few policies well and have hurt Australia's future. The NBN will be a failure too from the haphazard way they approach things and over optimistic estimates.... Just you wait.
Look, Abbott is bad. I agree. The thing is, he will do less damage. He will spend less money and make sure policy is executed properly… And it's about the team, not the man.
Yoss will bite my head off for this, but I believe the liberal team are far smarter business people. Guys like Trurnbull get there on merit, not from being paid dues for being a union hack for a period of time.
Labor is broken. They have implemented very few policies well and have hurt Australia's future. The NBN will be a failure too from the haphazard way they approach things and over optimistic estimates.... Just you wait.
Balmain_Bobby
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To Hammertime.
A very common sense post.
A very common sense post.
@Balmain Bobby said:
Talk about pot/kettle… Someone calls you out on your many wild claims and it gets too hard. Still waiting for those examples of ALP vote rigging. You've called me all sorts of things, I've only commented on your postings but ask around - I'm happy to debate issues with reasonable people who can back up their claims. You just throw bombs and then when you called on them you hide behind this sort of thing.
@hammertime said:
No mate you're okay. It's your opinion. I have expressed my frustration in the past with how some ALP people get into parliament. In terms of Wayne Swan I think it's misplaced. Turnbull would be a reasonable treasurer but he might not get the chance. As for the team, how they go with Barnaby as Deputy PM will be interesting… And then there's Julie Bishop...
But on the NBN according to my local rag it's coming by the House of Yoss in the next few years so personally I'm excited.
Balmain_Bobby
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Talk about pot/kettle… Someone calls you out on your many wild claims and it gets too hard. Still waiting for those examples of ALP vote rigging. You've called me all sorts of things, I've only commented on your postings but ask around - I'm happy to debate issues with reasonable people who can back up their claims. You just throw bombs and then when you called on them you hide behind this sort of thing.
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No, your a serial baiter, and use inciteful distortion of language, such as Rant instead of post, to catch a victim.
You want an example of vote rigging, try Dela Bosco rigging the votes to get Belinda Neale a seat.
He was at every TWU members B-B-Q's trying to gain support, I went to them so I know exactly what went on.
They ended up where they deserved to be, in the gutter. He was also one of the architects of the Workcover changes that led to 13 suicides in the first 6 months of it's implemtation. Want examples, Paul Gibosn rigging the votes for Londonderry, and about 30 years ago, union members of one particular union, going around their electorate, using the details of recently deceased people to vote for their comrade, and of course, it's not limited to Labor, the libs practise different versions of vote rigging. They get away with it because of power brokers on both sides influence over the judicial system and the DPP. As Paul Keating said of the LNP, " They are an incestuos little bunch are'nt they. Of course that applies to all politicians who have a go at each other all day in the chamber then go and drink ( almost ) free piss at the parliamentry bar, at our expense.
BTW, have a nice easter. :wink:
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No, your a serial baiter, and use inciteful distortion of language, such as Rant instead of post, to catch a victim.
You want an example of vote rigging, try Dela Bosco rigging the votes to get Belinda Neale a seat.
He was at every TWU members B-B-Q's trying to gain support, I went to them so I know exactly what went on.
They ended up where they deserved to be, in the gutter. He was also one of the architects of the Workcover changes that led to 13 suicides in the first 6 months of it's implemtation. Want examples, Paul Gibosn rigging the votes for Londonderry, and about 30 years ago, union members of one particular union, going around their electorate, using the details of recently deceased people to vote for their comrade, and of course, it's not limited to Labor, the libs practise different versions of vote rigging. They get away with it because of power brokers on both sides influence over the judicial system and the DPP. As Paul Keating said of the LNP, " They are an incestuos little bunch are'nt they. Of course that applies to all politicians who have a go at each other all day in the chamber then go and drink ( almost ) free piss at the parliamentry bar, at our expense.
BTW, have a nice easter. :wink:
Can we cease the posturing and return to debating opinions and facts?
happy_tiger
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@Balmain Bobby said:
Bobby I have had a few debates with Yoss from time to time and he has never resorted to any of your claims Especially seeing I end up winning every argument we have had :unamused:
Balmain_Bobby
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Especially seeing I end up winning every argument we have had
He may not agree with you on that, however, I have been a moderator on many forums, for over 14 years, and I know the form.
Whether it's intentional or not, they all have the same pattern of inciting retaliation by the way they manipulate words, and their meaning.
There is always the accusation of being a banned member, as he did, twisting words, as he did, and when all else fails, and there is a challenge, which is momentarily unanswered, the accusation you cannot post a link or an instance of proof.
Actually the proof is in the pudding. I have been here a bit over a week, liked the forum, put my money where my mouth is and financially supported the forum, bit more than I can say for Yoss.
His accusation of me being a banned member can easily be disproved, as I paid my forum support through PayPal, the forum owners have all of my details, name, address, phone number etc.
Perhpas this is why Yoss doesn't support the forum financially, doesn't want to divulge who he is, which is another marker towards the anonimity craved by forum baiters and bullies.
It's all in good fun though, he's hardly a mental challenge, most people with one eyed views ever are. :laughing:
He may not agree with you on that, however, I have been a moderator on many forums, for over 14 years, and I know the form.
Whether it's intentional or not, they all have the same pattern of inciting retaliation by the way they manipulate words, and their meaning.
There is always the accusation of being a banned member, as he did, twisting words, as he did, and when all else fails, and there is a challenge, which is momentarily unanswered, the accusation you cannot post a link or an instance of proof.
Actually the proof is in the pudding. I have been here a bit over a week, liked the forum, put my money where my mouth is and financially supported the forum, bit more than I can say for Yoss.
His accusation of me being a banned member can easily be disproved, as I paid my forum support through PayPal, the forum owners have all of my details, name, address, phone number etc.
Perhpas this is why Yoss doesn't support the forum financially, doesn't want to divulge who he is, which is another marker towards the anonimity craved by forum baiters and bullies.
It's all in good fun though, he's hardly a mental challenge, most people with one eyed views ever are. :laughing:
The notion that the LNP is better equipped to " execute " policy effectively , is complete nonsense .
So far under Gillard/Rudd , double the number of bills have been passed then what was passed under Howard .
Double the bills in half the time , that means labour has done 4 times as much work in this term then the LNP done last term .
IE When the LNP do very little , it's not very hard to make sure its done properly .
In terms on spending , why Is less spending better ? By spending the money that it did this government , has made sure that we have one of the strongest economy in the developed world , and kept us out of recession . Strong economic policy is spending what you can afford , and using that money to ensure that the population receives the services and infrastructure required to help the prosper . This year the budget will be back to surplus ,in doing so Wayne Swan will go down in history as one of the most prudent treasurers in Australia's history.
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So far under Gillard/Rudd , double the number of bills have been passed then what was passed under Howard .
Double the bills in half the time , that means labour has done 4 times as much work in this term then the LNP done last term .
IE When the LNP do very little , it's not very hard to make sure its done properly .
In terms on spending , why Is less spending better ? By spending the money that it did this government , has made sure that we have one of the strongest economy in the developed world , and kept us out of recession . Strong economic policy is spending what you can afford , and using that money to ensure that the population receives the services and infrastructure required to help the prosper . This year the budget will be back to surplus ,in doing so Wayne Swan will go down in history as one of the most prudent treasurers in Australia's history.
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hammertime
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@Rambo2714 said:
It's not complete nonsense Rambo. It's just facts based on historical evidence. Howard Partners did a report the other day and found 10 out of their 18 key labor policies were deficient.
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/nbn-labelled-a-waste-to-set-labor-back-years-20120404-1wd9l.html
If they have issues with making decisions quickly, then take an extra week or two!!
… and if you are asking why less spending is better. I am concerned that you are voter. Anyone can throw away money. The hard choices are trying to make people happy by spending within our means and getting things DONE RIGHT.
Why? PLEASE take a moment and read up about our looming inter-generational issues, then look at the far exponentially worse problems in the US and the UK. Please then think about what will happen then if we don't have a topped up sovereign fund with no debt... and what bottomless pit the world will slip into if we don't wake up to ourselves soon!!!! We can't just keep wanting and expecting MORE. That time is gone.
Swan had the right mix with stimulus yes. Short Term Cash nation wide, Medium term projects in each community and a Long Term project. But that's not rocket science. We had a tonne of cash to draw on. He deserves no credit after the waste in those policies and the little focus on alleviating generational issues with those.
p.s. Going $1b into surplus does not mean our debt is cleared.
hammertime
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@Yossarian said:
ha, I agree on Julie Bishop mate…. terrible!
I'm excited about the NBN too and I'll take it up. But the assumptions are flawed. As turnbull said, the main thing holding people back from the internet is cost, not availability.
If these poor take up rates continue, it's going to be the biggest waste of money in Australia's history. There are very little business reasons that validate the costs.
Let me ask you this, say they continue with the take up rate and it only manages to cover running costs. Would you have been prepared to pay $4000 to hook your house up? Do you think every person in Aus will be able to pay that? I'd say my relative tax bill will be much, much higher.
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