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I think it is more a case of the party limiting the damage because God Boy Abbott is generally loathed by most quarters of the population.

It is a sign of how poorly the Gillard government has done that this far religious right muppet is still the opposition leader
 
Got to love Julia's new Women 4 Julia group

So what Julia is suggesting that no male should be making the decision for abortion

And that if we vote in the Coalition that no men will be in parliament

A few women I have spoken to are embarassed with Gillards comments

She is now the sexist
 
@Flippedy said:
Au contraire mon fraire, I don't think Abbott will get anywhere near the flak and degrading insults and treatment that Gillard has had to endure, even if/when he does stuff up. The media has always been biased towards the Libs and our culture, on the whole, clearly still cannot accept the idea of a woman in the top job.

It's times like this when coalition supporters who say things like 'its time to let the adults back into power' must be feeling pretty uncomfortable
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-12/mal-brough-says-sorry-for-menu-jibe-at-gillard/4748516
 
This is my other favourite story about the 'adults' in the coalition

http://www.vexnews.com/2011/08/a-sledge-too-far-bullying-the-pm-in-canberras-corridors-not-a-good-look-for-pyne-hockey/
 
@Winnipeg said:
@Flippedy said:
Au contraire mon fraire, I don't think Abbott will get anywhere near the flak and degrading insults and treatment that Gillard has had to endure, even if/when he does stuff up. The media has always been biased towards the Libs and our culture, on the whole, clearly still cannot accept the idea of a woman in the top job.

It's times like this when coalition supporters who say things like 'its time to let the adults back into power' must be feeling pretty uncomfortable
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-12/mal-brough-says-sorry-for-menu-jibe-at-gillard/4748516

Did they get Norman Hudis to write the menu? Very low brow indeed.
 
@Winnipeg said:
This is my other favourite story about the 'adults' in the coalition

http://www.vexnews.com/2011/08/a-sledge-too-far-bullying-the-pm-in-canberras-corridors-not-a-good-look-for-pyne-hockey/

These fools have certainly shown their true colours since Gillard has been PM. Seriously, the thought of these blokes being in power, knowing this is an example of their true character (or lack thereof), makes me want to throw up. It amazes me how people cannot see through Christopher Pyne for what he really is - an angry, sniveling weasel of a child with the biggest ever chip on his shoulder. It's obvious for all to see as soon as he opens his foul mouth.
 
Only a couple of more months until the real clean up Australia day happens.
Its going to be awesome to see the back of these snivelling losers.
 
Would be nice if the Liberal Party stopped engaging in petty politics and OFFERED something rather than trip/injure Labour in a two horse race. They remind me of Michael Ennis.
My prediction is for Abbott to get elected followed by a vote of no confidence within his term. We are faced with the choice between the most inept politicians and its hardly a case of the lesser of two evils.
Australian politics needs a clean out.

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Below is a great article. I know it's fairly long, but well worth the read. For me, it puts a lot of things into perspective with regards to our culture, our media, our politics and our prejudices. We do have a big problem here in Australia, but it's not Julia Gillard or her Govt - it's ourselves. So much for the old Aussie mantra of 'Fair Go'. Obviously fair go is only for some, not everyone.
**Double standards: why we hate Gillard so much**

To read the mainstream media at the moment, you would think Australia was being ruled by Visigoths or that we had somehow returned to subsistence survival.

Things have gotten so bad in our poor country, apparently, the nation is in such a dire predicament, that a leading journalist has seen fit to say that the prime minister should "fall on her sword".

A former Liberal staffer, a mainstay of media talkfests and panel shows, declared on national television that Julia Gillard should be "kicked to death", a comment that drew virtually zero condemnation in the mainstream media.

Violent metaphors dominate the discussion of the Gillard Government.

A recent article in (appropriately enough) The Punch managed to use all of these expressions in the course of its ranting: "assassination", "bloody execution", "swung a sledgehammer into its own political heartland", "knifed".

The same article put the PM's problems down, in part, to her not having had a baby, and offered this brilliant piece of analysis:

Meanwhile … middle-of-the-road voters have written her off as bulls**t artist and are declaring themselves for a Liberal leader they largely hate because anything is better than a leader you simply cannot believe.

Yes, that's right. People are longing for the honesty of Tony Abbott.

Lying is, of course, at the heart of the attacks on the Prime Minister herself, which personally, I think is fair enough. Politicians should be called out if they lie.

The hilarious thing about such attacks is that their intensity and the level of sheer repetition they garner would make an outsider think that this was the first time in the history of Australian politics that a government had reneged on a commitment or said one thing and done another.

As anyone who dared criticise John Howard's tangential relationship with the truth will know, many of those now getting the vapours about Julia Gillard's dishonesty were more than willing to excuse such behaviour from him.

In fact, a standard theme of commentary throughout the Howard years, recycled as holy writ by journalists and other sage readers of the political entrails, was that 'the punters' didn't care about Howard's lying.

Anyone who brought up his "non-core promises", his selling of the Iraq War on the basis of Saddam Hussein's non-existent weapons of mass destruction, his and his ministers' knowledge of matters to do with the AWB's dealings with the same Hussein, or his appalling behaviour regarding the children overboard affair, was liable to be treated to chapter and verse about about how such complaints were the sort of thing that only concerned 'Howard haters'.

Decent, ordinary people were too busy getting on with their lives to concern themselves with hairsplitting about what Howard did or didn't say.

Part of the logic governing rationalisations of Coalition dishonesty was that people didn't worry about it because the economy was going so well. Low interest rates, low unemployment, and a booming mining sector stopped any temptation to hand-wring about ethics.

Oh, how times have changed!

Now, we are regularly told, it is the decent ordinary people who are mortally offended by any and all political dishonesty. We are told that they are shocked - shocked! - that a politician might not be as pure as an angel riding a unicorn in the land of clouds and sugar. We are told that having the most successful economy in the world is irrelevant.

The change of narrative is simply extraordinary.

Of course, none of this is to excuse the various problems of the Gillard Government. But there is a point to make about the level of aggressive hysteria that currently infects mainstream commentary about this government.

It cannot simply be explained by the performance of the government or the behaviour of the current prime minister. If economic issues are what matter, then this government is performing as well, arguably better, than the Howard Government, and in much more difficult circumstances.

It cannot simply be explained by the 'scandals' each government brought upon itself.

Maybe you can argue that Gillard's problems with Slipper and Thompson are more serious than Howard's with, say, Mal Colson and the plethora of ministers he had to sack for breaching the code of conduct.

But the differential doesn't explain why so many commentators were willing to excuse Howard's problems but portray Gillard's as some sort of existential crisis for Australian democracy itself.

And honestly, what is more serious than a government committing the nation to war on the basis of demonstrably false intelligence? Compared to that, shifting positions on a price on carbon is small potatoes.

So what's going on?

Stripped of all the self-justifying nonsense used to maintain the rage that currently fills our newspapers and airwaves, there are three pertinent distinctions between this government and the Howard Government: it is a Labor Government, it is a minority government, and the current prime minister is a woman.

Being a Labor government not only alienates the dominant right-wing media, it brings business into public discussion in a way that simply never happens with a Coalition government.

Bad behaviour by Howard was excused by a phalanx of media apologists. Policy disagreements that would have been discussed in backrooms with a Coalition government are now made the subject of multimillion dollar advertising campaigns.

The hung parliament forces the government into deal making that is nearly always interpreted as weakness by the media, and they also tend to preference stability (interpreted as 'strength') over achievement. The buzzword is 'authority'.

Gillard being a woman means she is judged by a different standard, and let's not pretend otherwise. It may not be a decisive matter, but it is one that shifts the balance of interpretation.

When she is tough, she is seen as treacherous and unbecoming. When she prefers compromise and negotiation, she is seen as weak. Oh yeah, and she doesn't have kids: how can she relate to 'normal' people?

The Gillard Government is far from perfect, and ultimately has no-one to blame for its poor standing but itself. All I'm trying to put my finger on is why their bad behaviour is deemed so much more unacceptable than the bad behaviour of the previous Coalition government. Those three reasons are key.

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/3985592.html
 
As I said previously ,if you take the parties out of the equation and left only Gillard and Abbott to vote for independantly you would struggle to pick either

The two worst candidates we have had run against each other ever for PM
 
@happy tiger said:
As I said previously ,if you take the parties out of the equation and left only Gillard and Abbott to vote for independantly you would struggle to pick either

The two worst candidates we have had run against each other ever for PM

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All this started with Kevin07… Now we are left with a popularity contest that no one likes either party.

Now the Greens have hung themselves, no one cares about Global Warming and the Environment... Time to discuss real issues like economy, welfare, and the unfair tax system in this country!
 
I got a letter in the mail "from Tony" asking me to rejoin the Liberal Party
lol
He's clearly not listening to the reason why I left.
I'm still voting for the Unmarried-Ranga-Lesbian-Athiest-Communist Female
 
@Kul said:
I got a letter in the mail "from Tony" asking me to rejoin the Liberal Party
lol
He's clearly not listening to the reason why I left.
I'm still voting for the Unmarried-Ranga-Lesbian-Athiest-Communist Female

Dont forget Quail… My Wife will never order it again!

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@Kul said:
I got a letter in the mail "from Tony" asking me to rejoin the Liberal Party
lol
He's clearly not listening to the reason why I left.
I'm still voting for the Unmarried-Ranga-Lesbian-Athiest-Communist Female

Can we ask why you left the party Kul and if you would change your mind if Turnbull was in charge ??
 
Judging by the comments above, it's pretty clear that no one read the article I posted, or you didn't get the author's point? I know it was a long…oh well.
 
@Flippedy said:
Judging by the comments above, it's pretty clear that no one read the article I posted, or you didn't get the author's point? I know it was a long…oh well.

We did Flip , but I'm really disappointed at what Federal politics has come to

The best needs of the country rarely seems to come first anymore from either side
 
@happy tiger said:
@Kul said:
I got a letter in the mail "from Tony" asking me to rejoin the Liberal Party
lol
He's clearly not listening to the reason why I left.
I'm still voting for the Unmarried-Ranga-Lesbian-Athiest-Communist Female

Can we ask why you left the party Kul and if you would change your mind if Turnbull was in charge ??

In one word, Abbott.

Usual story of a Liberal voting family. Around the '07 election the debate was all about how close the parties were on the political spectrum and this more or less true.

While I'm an ardent supporter of liberal econmic theory and the overwhelming advantages of a smaller government, I also recognise that the market system isn't perfect and Government is needed in areas such as infrastructure investment. I admit that Rudd trumped Howard here and I support investment in things such as the NBN (fiber to the node is fine in my books… let the consumer pay the final cost), Very Fast Rail and a price on Carbon.

What has disapointed me the most over the last 6 years and has ultimately swung my vote to Labor (not that I think they are very good) is that Abbott has attacked the NBN and Carbon not with a rational economic argument, but a purely political one.

As an ardent supporter of science, reason and rationalism, I cringe at talkback radio/Telegraph and the garbage that comes out of people like Hadley and Jones. Blatent lies and factual or logical fallacies.

Eg. You go to a doctor to get an opinion. You don't like what that doctor says, so you go to another one until you find a doctor who's diagnosis best matches what you want. It doesn't matter that the first doctor was probably right in the first place and you had nothing wrong with you.

It is not a realignment of my political beliefs and persuasions that has shifted my vote; my vote is still just right of centre. However Abbott has shifted the Liberal Policy away from the centre and I in good conscience could not vote for it.
A vote for labor, I believe, is not my reward for good governance, it is simply a function of the policy standing of the two parties.

Not to mention that Abbott is a dimwit, but we all know that.
Even Hockey, bless his soul... you have to love him. He's soooo cuddly. But he would be a terrible treasurer.

And yes, if Turnbull was leader I'd be out there on the streets with how-to-vote cards.
 
Whilst I don't think that Gillard should have ever been our Prime Minister, I think that despite the rhetoric that the media (particularly Murdoch and Singleton) shove down the communities throats, history will look favorably upon this government.
Being a small business owner, I should be a Liberal voter. However, until they change leader and start thinking of the future (infrastructure & environment), I cannot vote for them.
 
@Flippedy said:
Judging by the comments above, it's pretty clear that no one read the article I posted, or you didn't get the author's point? I know it was a long…oh well.

I read it and it's pretty spot on in my opinion

this government is being held to a higher standards than the Howard Govt ever was

I'd say mostly it's that 70% of the print media is owned by Rupert Murdoch, and the conservatives are making inroads into the rest of the media [Rinehart buying up Channel 10 and attempting to buy Fairfax as an example]
 
Gotthard Base Tunnel: 57km of high-speed rail under the Swiss Alps. Longest tunnel in the world. Cost - $10.3 Billion

Northwest Rail Link: 23km CityRail line connecting Rouse Hill to Epping. Cost - $8.3 Billion
 
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