Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[stryker]

"whoever wins will be the labor leader, whoever loses retires from politics"

she makes it sound like a playground game of footy.

is this politics or a school playground?? hope she never shows her face on tv again

Thats Labor's whole problem, they spend the majority of their time worrying about this petty school girl crap. They were supposed to be at work today…instead they spent the day running around organising yet another leadership spill. They are a shameful joke.

...and to top it all off...we now have Rudd - a bloke they all hate running the country again. What hope have we got?

 

[Peaches]

I don't think I've posted in this thread but feel I obliged to do so after today. This Labour government surely can't be re-elected. They can't get themselves together and surely should not be given an opportunity to govern this country when crap like this happens when they should be united and running the country.

I'm not sure how Abbot is but surely he and his party are the best of the two to run this country. He at least deserves an opportunity over the current Labour Party which can't unite themselves if they tried. They are just petty and distinctional.

 

[Winnipeg]

They did actually pass the gonski education funding reform legislation today, one of more than 500 pieces of legislation passed this parliament, but who's counting

You are pretty correct that there's been some petty sh!t going on this term, but I guess that's the reality of modern day politics

The interesting part is what happens now the 'that mean old witch knifed poor old Kevvy' attacks don't hold any weight

There's only one party leader left with a negative approval rating and that's tony Abbott

Abbott stood up in parliament today and said something like 'its time for the Australian people to choose who they want as prime minister'

Was he referring to Turnbull you think?

 

[Yossarian]

Well that's it. If people think the Libs are a unified force they're mistaken. Remember Abbott won his leadership ballot by a single vote and there is a pretty bog block who are strongly opposed to him. If Rudd and Turnbull ran a joint ticket they'd bolt in

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know how true this is , but heard that Gillard supposedly told everyone originally about the ballot she wanted to do it by a show of hands (which they can do I'm told)

Supposedly when many of the MPs read this they were very angry about this , as Gillard wanted to know who had her back either way

The only choice Labor had in the end , and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

 

[Newtown]

I don't know how true this is , but heard that Gillard supposedly told everyone originally about the ballot she wanted to do it by a show of hands (which they can do I'm told)

Supposedly when many of the MPs read this they were very angry about this , as Gillard wanted to know who had her back either way

The only choice Labor had in the end , and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

Is Australian politics now forever a game of "here we go around the mulberry bush"?

 

[happy_tiger]

I don't know how true this is , but heard that Gillard supposedly told everyone originally about the ballot she wanted to do it by a show of hands (which they can do I'm told)

Supposedly when many of the MPs read this they were very angry about this , as Gillard wanted to know who had her back either way

The only choice Labor had in the end , and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

Is Australian politics now forever a game of "here we go around the mulberry bush"?

no ,you need a certain maturity level to play that game Newtown

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I don't know how true this is , but heard that Gillard supposedly told everyone originally about the ballot she wanted to do it by a show of hands (which they can do I'm told)

Supposedly when many of the MPs read this they were very angry about this , as Gillard wanted to know who had her back either way

The only choice Labor had in the end , and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

Is Australian politics now forever a game of "here we go around the mulberry bush"?

no ,you need a certain maturity level to play that game Newtown

A prerequisite that no Australian politician meets.

 

[Winnipeg]

and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

That'd be fairly hypocritical of them wouldn't it

 

[Peaches]

And now Stephen Smith will not be continuing after the election.
That's a shame as he seems one of the most respected and honest of all politicians.

 

[Yossarian]

I don't know how true this is , but heard that Gillard supposedly told everyone originally about the ballot she wanted to do it by a show of hands (which they can do I'm told)

Supposedly when many of the MPs read this they were very angry about this , as Gillard wanted to know who had her back either way

That would be against ALP rules. As it was the returning officer made the mistake of hanging around while dopey journos asked him questions about Rudd and Gillard. He should watch the footage of the bloke who was RO for Hawke v Keating 2\. Read out the results and get going!

 

[stryker]

and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

That'd be fairly hypocritical of them wouldn't it

Not the same really….
The reason people are p'd off is that we were not given the chance to punish Rudd for his sins between 07 & 10 at the voting booth. We have now again been stiffed - we cannot punish Gillard for her leadership.
Effectively, Labor is watering down democracy. There is no democracy within their party and they have projected this onto the wider community twice now.
The people would have the power to say no to Abbot in the first place and after a year he couldnt have done the damage that his 2 predecesors have, therefore no one would feel robbed by that stage.

Quick hypothetical....just say by an absolute miracle Rudd wins this election coming up. How long do you give him before the Labor party again turf him?

 

[Saturnalia]

Not a fan of our current setup, I'd like to be able to vote for the PM, not the party I'd like the PM to come from.

in other news

You can get a Gillard Dog Toy

http://www.paddingtonpups.com.au/julia-dog-toy

 

[Winnipeg]

and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

That'd be fairly hypocritical of them wouldn't it

Not the same really….
The reason people are p'd off is that we were not given the chance to punish Rudd for his sins between 07 & 10 at the voting booth. We have now again been stiffed - we cannot punish Gillard for her leadership.
Effectively, Labor is watering down democracy. There is no democracy within their party and they have projected this onto the wider community twice now.
The people would have the power to say no to Abbot in the first place and after a year he couldnt have done the damage that his 2 predecesors have, therefore no one would feel robbed by that stage.

Quick hypothetical....just say by an absolute miracle Rudd wins this election coming up. How long do you give him before the Labor party again turf him?

I don't really get how it's not the same and I think your judgement of the political scene may be a little off…

people were upset they couldn't vote against Rudd in 2010, so they voted FOR Julia?

and this time around people are upset they can't vote Julia out, yet there's been a massive rise to the ALP in the polls already?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-09/poll-shows-labor-and-coalition-neck-and-neck/4807446

http://www.themonthly.com.au/blog/roy-morgan-research/2013/07/01/1372660748/morgan-poll-rudd-pushes-alp-ahead-l-np

it's not that outlandish to think that Labor could win this election
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meanwhile, Tony Abbott the massive hypocrite strikes again

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/08/tony-abbott-book-tour-expenses?CMP=twt_gu

whoops, I accidentally booked 9000 dollars worth of travel under the wrong category. Meanwhile Peter Slipper is facing court for less than 1000 dollars worth, and Abbott called for him to resign.

It just goes to show what a horrible business politics is really (on both sides)... Abbott and Slipper were mates once, and he sold him out bigtime for his own personal gain.

 

[pHyR3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhEwvJwsvx8

thoughts? Seems to me like Abbott is just playing the negative politics game. Opposing everything and anything Labor proposes like the Carbon tax (+0.2% inflation which was compensated), NBN etc. etc.

 

[Yossarian]

and reckon within 12 months of Coalition in power they will flick Abbott and Turnbull will be in power

That'd be fairly hypocritical of them wouldn't it

Not the same really….
The reason people are p'd off is that we were not given the chance to punish Rudd for his sins between 07 & 10 at the voting booth. We have now again been stiffed - we cannot punish Gillard for her leadership.
Effectively, Labor is watering down democracy. There is no democracy within their party and they have projected this onto the wider community twice now.
The people would have the power to say no to Abbot in the first place and after a year he couldnt have done the damage that his 2 predecesors have, therefore no one would feel robbed by that stage.

Quick hypothetical....just say by an absolute miracle Rudd wins this election coming up. How long do you give him before the Labor party again turf him?

Elections are for voting who you want to govern you. They're not there to "punish" a PM people don't like it. What's the point? Either way they're not PM. Besides I fail to see the logic here. Surely it is preferable for a party to change leader BEFORE an election. If they had have rolled Rudd shortly after the 2010 poll you'd be here whinging about that.

As for democracy within the party - what are you basing your comments on? In NSW local ALP voters decide preselections. In the NSW Liberal Party the majority of preselection voters are from head office. If you're talking at a party level, they've replaced the leader of their parliamentary party the same way the Liberals did to Turnbull, Nelson, Hewson, Howard, Peacock or tried to do to Fraser… To suggest this is restricted to the ALP is partisan nonsense. Oppose the system if you want but suggesting one party is less democratic than the other is crazy talk.

Rudd will be the PM at the 2013 if he wins. Absolute miracle? Talk to Newspoll. Or Malcolm Turnbull who can barely conceal his loathing of the way the Liberal party operates under Abbott.

 

[Winnipeg]

I think saying 'the voters are waiting to punish Kevin/Juliar' is an admission that the Libs pretty much offer nothing in the way of positive planning for the future

here's a heartwarming tale about democracy within the Libs

http://francesjones.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/the-faceless-men-of-the-liberal-party/

 

[stryker]

Forget about the polls. That is purely a popularity contest and Rudd will always win that. He is a good public speaker and Abbot is not. At the moment Labor is set to lose seats and that will decide the outcome as we vote for our local reps and the swing against Labor due to their ineffectiveness over the past 6 years will mean that even though Kevvy is popular, sensible people will vote the Libs in as they want Labor gone. Changing the leaders before the elections is desperate and is pandering to the population who do not give a toss. On the surface Rudd is more likeable. But the party battle will come down to what has happened in Labors past 2 terms and yes…they will be punished for their incapacity to run most of the big dollar projects that they bring in. They are ideas men, sure, but they couldnt run a root in a brothel and that has become glaringly obvious.

 

[pHyR3]

yes…they will be punished for their incapacity to run most of the big dollar projects that they bring in. They are ideas men, sure, but they couldnt run a root in a brothel and that has become glaringly obvious.

Haven't followed politics too keenly in recent years. Been very boring and annoying.

What big dollar proects? NBN seems to be going alright, they said 3 months behind schedule and considering its several years into the project that's not too bad. Doubt Liberal would have done any better. Well I guess they would since they wanna downgrade us pretty much :laughing:

 

[Saturnalia]

Forget about the polls. That is purely a popularity contest and Rudd will always win that. He is a good public speaker and Abbot is not. At the moment Labor is set to lose seats and that will decide the outcome as we vote for our local reps and the swing against Labor due to their ineffectiveness over the past 6 years will mean that even though Kevvy is popular, sensible people will vote the Libs in as they want Labor gone. Changing the leaders before the elections is desperate and is pandering to the population who do not give a toss. On the surface Rudd is more likeable. But the party battle will come down to what has happened in Labors past 2 terms and yes…they will be punished for their incapacity to run most of the big dollar projects that they bring in. They are ideas men, sure, but they couldnt run a root in a brothel and that has become glaringly obvious.

And the libs have no big dollar projects of their own or any concept of nation building.

I also look forward to Abotts grave becoming a permanent urinal for all decent people.

If this country elects the abortion of a human being that is Tony Abbott then we deserve everything that happens to us.