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Fifty years ago, my wife was out protesting about global freezing. Guess what?

To everyone piling in on Col with the snarky comments, his global freezing comment is actually true.

Between the 1950's and 1970's scientists were warning that global cooling was going to herald a new ice age and kill us all.

Oh, was it Scientists or the Media who was talking about Global Freezing?
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm

Yep, media reads a few articles in a science journal and hamms it up.

Unlike Economists (particularly Milton "I make stuff up" Friedman) Climate Scientists realised that they have a very complex system on their hands. The whole "chaos Theorim" was created to deal with Climate, as no straight X vs Y relationship graphs could be plotted. Put simply it's complex. Jet planes fly, yet the workings of a Jet engine are incredibly difficult to understand. Likewise Climate science, We are seeing a massive warning, the science has predicted this and we seeing it happen now.

Last date of any cooling was 2010 and I can buy Mango trees in Campbelltown in May because of….Global Warming.

What people don't get, is the Skeptics don't doubt Global Warming is happening. Lord Monkton and co freely admit it. What they doubt is that Human beings are the cause of it in the last 50 years. That this warming does not correlate with Industrialization and it's some bizarre unrelated environmental phenomenon.

So pile back on MagpieCol. He is just bringing up an unrelated issue from the 1970's that is not related to anything being talked about now.
 
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Fifty years ago, my wife was out protesting about global freezing. Guess what?

To everyone piling in on Col with the snarky comments, his global freezing comment is actually true.

Between the 1950's and 1970's scientists were warning that global cooling was going to herald a new ice age and kill us all.

Oh, was it Scientists or the Media who was talking about Global Freezing?
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm

Yep, media reads a few articles in a science journal and hamms it up.

Unlike Economists (particularly Milton "I make stuff up" Friedman) Climate Scientists realised that they have a very complex system on their hands. The whole "chaos Theorim" was created to deal with Climate, as no straight X vs Y relationship graphs could be plotted. Put simply it's complex. Jet planes fly, yet the workings of a Jet engine are incredibly difficult to understand. Likewise Climate science, We are seeing a massive warning, the science has predicted this and we seeing it happen now.

Last date of any cooling was 2010 and I can buy Mango trees in Campbelltown in May because of….Global Warming.

What people don't get, is the Skeptics don't doubt Global Warming is happening. Lord Monkton and co freely admit it. What they doubt is that Human beings are the cause of it in the last 50 years. That this warming does not correlate with Industrialization and it's some bizarre unrelated environmental phenomenon.

So pile back on MagpieCol. He is just bringing up an unrelated issue from the 1970's that is not related to anything being talked about now.

It was Scientists.

Thanks for cut and pasting the first article that appeared in your google search.

You're so knowledgeable.
 
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Fifty years ago, my wife was out protesting about global freezing. Guess what?

Here's a fact. Al Gore's home uses more energy in twelve months than mine does in twenty years . I guess he's not so much worried about global warming than flying around the world in private jets making money.

Hypocrite? You bet.

**What is that old saying? Something about one being born every minute?**

One of the best con jobs ever.

Kind of like those who argue black and blue that the wall is being built, come to find out it isn’t.

Read what I stated earlier about the wall.

And fyi it will be built, as it should.

Whose funding it?
 
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Fifty years ago, my wife was out protesting about global freezing. Guess what?

To everyone piling in on Col with the snarky comments, his global freezing comment is actually true.

Between the 1950's and 1970's scientists were warning that global cooling was going to herald a new ice age and kill us all.

Oh, was it Scientists or the Media who was talking about Global Freezing?
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm

Yep, media reads a few articles in a science journal and hamms it up.

Unlike Economists (particularly Milton "I make stuff up" Friedman) Climate Scientists realised that they have a very complex system on their hands. The whole "chaos Theorim" was created to deal with Climate, as no straight X vs Y relationship graphs could be plotted. Put simply it's complex. Jet planes fly, yet the workings of a Jet engine are incredibly difficult to understand. Likewise Climate science, We are seeing a massive warning, the science has predicted this and we seeing it happen now.

Last date of any cooling was 2010 and I can buy Mango trees in Campbelltown in May because of….Global Warming.

What people don't get, is the Skeptics don't doubt Global Warming is happening. Lord Monkton and co freely admit it. What they doubt is that Human beings are the cause of it in the last 50 years. That this warming does not correlate with Industrialization and it's some bizarre unrelated environmental phenomenon.

So pile back on MagpieCol. He is just bringing up an unrelated issue from the 1970's that is not related to anything being talked about now.

It was Scientists.

Thanks for cut and pasting the first article that appeared in your google search.

You're so knowledgeable.

Thank you :wink:

*hey if your not going too interpret irony in my statements. I won't in yours.*
 
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Fifty years ago, my wife was out protesting about global freezing. Guess what?

Here's a fact. Al Gore's home uses more energy in twelve months than mine does in twenty years . I guess he's not so much worried about global warming than flying around the world in private jets making money.

Hypocrite? You bet.

**What is that old saying? Something about one being born every minute?**

One of the best con jobs ever.

Kind of like those who argue black and blue that the wall is being built, come to find out it isn’t.

Read what I stated earlier about the wall.

And fyi it will be built, as it should.

Whose funding it?

ROFL. Yep he has gone cap in hand to the American gov asking them to pay for it.

I wonder if Cohen, Manafort and his team will be building the wall in a chaingang?
Honestly if it's a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon in orange pouring the concrete I would support the wall! *

*we have no real idea in Australia about the American immigration problems. I only say Children must be handled with respect and dignity.
 
I had a laugh when the planet cooling was raised the point most climate alarmist do not understand there actually is nothing wrong with the planet heating we all will survive but if the planet cools we all perish .
 
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To everyone piling in on Col with the snarky comments, his global freezing comment is actually true.

Between the 1950's and 1970's scientists were warning that global cooling was going to herald a new ice age and kill us all.

Oh, was it Scientists or the Media who was talking about Global Freezing?
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm

Yep, media reads a few articles in a science journal and hamms it up.

Unlike Economists (particularly Milton "I make stuff up" Friedman) Climate Scientists realised that they have a very complex system on their hands. The whole "chaos Theorim" was created to deal with Climate, as no straight X vs Y relationship graphs could be plotted. Put simply it's complex. Jet planes fly, yet the workings of a Jet engine are incredibly difficult to understand. Likewise Climate science, We are seeing a massive warning, the science has predicted this and we seeing it happen now.

Last date of any cooling was 2010 and I can buy Mango trees in Campbelltown in May because of….Global Warming.

What people don't get, is the Skeptics don't doubt Global Warming is happening. Lord Monkton and co freely admit it. What they doubt is that Human beings are the cause of it in the last 50 years. That this warming does not correlate with Industrialization and it's some bizarre unrelated environmental phenomenon.

So pile back on MagpieCol. He is just bringing up an unrelated issue from the 1970's that is not related to anything being talked about now.

It was Scientists.

Thanks for cut and pasting the first article that appeared in your google search.

You're so knowledgeable.

Thank you :wink:

*hey if your not going too interpret irony in my statements. I won't in yours.*

Quoting a propaganda site like skeptical science isn't irony, its comedy.

And because you were sucked in by the website, you then went on to double down on their false claims.

Slow clap for you.
 
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I had a laugh when the planet cooling was raised the point most climate alarmist do not understand there actually is nothing wrong with the planet heating we all will survive but if the planet cools we all perish .

Ummm didn't you know that Sydney's dams are going to be bone dry by 2008 and will never be re-filled … and the Polar Caps are going to melt away completely by 2013 ... and by the time we reach 2014 there is going to be regular devastating cyclones around Australia.

Brace yourself, its going to be real bad!

Hang on ....
 
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Kind of like those who argue black and blue that the wall is being built, come to find out it isn’t.

Read what I stated earlier about the wall.

And fyi it will be built, as it should.

Whose funding it?

ROFL. **Yep he has gone cap in hand to the American gov asking them to pay for it.**

I wonder if Cohen, Manafort and his team will be building the wall in a chaingang?
Honestly if it's a Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon in orange pouring the concrete I would support the wall! *

*we have no real idea in Australia about the American immigration problems. I only say Children must be handled with respect and dignity.

What’s funnier, Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon supporters have now started a go fund me to build the wall. The same idiots who would Shout “MEXICO” when Invidvidual One would ask who is paying for it at his rallies. Comical.
 
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Oh, was it Scientists or the Media who was talking about Global Freezing?
https://skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm

Yep, media reads a few articles in a science journal and hamms it up.

Unlike Economists (particularly Milton "I make stuff up" Friedman) Climate Scientists realised that they have a very complex system on their hands. The whole "chaos Theorim" was created to deal with Climate, as no straight X vs Y relationship graphs could be plotted. Put simply it's complex. Jet planes fly, yet the workings of a Jet engine are incredibly difficult to understand. Likewise Climate science, We are seeing a massive warning, the science has predicted this and we seeing it happen now.

Last date of any cooling was 2010 and I can buy Mango trees in Campbelltown in May because of….Global Warming.

What people don't get, is the Skeptics don't doubt Global Warming is happening. Lord Monkton and co freely admit it. What they doubt is that Human beings are the cause of it in the last 50 years. That this warming does not correlate with Industrialization and it's some bizarre unrelated environmental phenomenon.

So pile back on MagpieCol. He is just bringing up an unrelated issue from the 1970's that is not related to anything being talked about now.

It was Scientists.

Thanks for cut and pasting the first article that appeared in your google search.

You're so knowledgeable.

Thank you :wink:

*hey if your not going too interpret irony in my statements. I won't in yours.*

Quoting a propaganda site like skeptical science isn't irony, its comedy.

And because you were sucked in by the website, you then went on to double down on their false claims.

Slow clap for you.

Skeptical science is fine, their quotes are accurate.

What gets me is that ostridges/denialists like yourself have jacked up Sydneys power prices.

As we see:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/21/electricity-prices-forecast-to-fall-21-in-two-years-due-to-wind-and-solar

"in South Australia can expect the biggest price falls – down $120 a year on average by 2021 – followed by south-east Queensland ($76), Tasmania ($39), New South Wales ($27) and Victoria ($25).

But prices will soar 9.3% in Western Australia, or $156 a year, with rises also expected in the Australian Capital Territory, up $87, and the Northern Territory, up $47."

So a smart battery and solar system in South Australia produces the biggest power bill reduction in Australia.
Remember Abbott, campaigning about power rises, and prices going straight up while he was in government.

Are you OK with poor Western Sydney families paying for your Coal company subsidies and climate denial? Had Australia had an ETS and clear direction our power bills would have been going down. Good thing Labor in SA took some leadership.
I guess Clive Palmer needs more stakes to feed himself. Poor Coal welfare I mean subsidy queen.
 
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It was Scientists.

Thanks for cut and pasting the first article that appeared in your google search.

You're so knowledgeable.

Thank you :wink:

*hey if your not going too interpret irony in my statements. I won't in yours.*

Quoting a propaganda site like skeptical science isn't irony, its comedy.

And because you were sucked in by the website, you then went on to double down on their false claims.

Slow clap for you.

Skeptical science is fine, their quotes are accurate.

What gets me is that ostridges/denialists like yourself have jacked up Sydneys power prices.

As we see:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/21/electricity-prices-forecast-to-fall-21-in-two-years-due-to-wind-and-solar

"in South Australia can expect the biggest price falls – down $120 a year on average by 2021 – followed by south-east Queensland ($76), Tasmania ($39), New South Wales ($27) and Victoria ($25).

But prices will soar 9.3% in Western Australia, or $156 a year, with rises also expected in the Australian Capital Territory, up $87, and the Northern Territory, up $47."

So a smart battery and solar system in South Australia produces the biggest power bill reduction in Australia.
Remember Abbott, campaigning about power rises, and prices going straight up while he was in government.

Are you OK with poor Western Sydney families paying for your Coal company subsidies and climate denial? Had Australia had an ETS and clear direction our power bills would have been going down. Good thing Labor in SA took some leadership.
I guess Clive Palmer needs more stakes to feed himself. Poor Coal welfare I mean subsidy queen.

How many blackouts and price rises did SA endure before this massive cut?

Can you produce details of what each state was paying 10 years ago, whether they were self sufficient in terms of generating and where their power was coming from?
 
Another Government shutdown in the US, the 3rd this year. No wall for Donnie.

If he couldn’t get the funding for 2 years with a Republican House and Senate, fat chance he’ll get it in the next 2 years with a Democratic House.

Maybe he can ask Mexico again :roll
 
Another Government shutdown in the US, the 3rd this year. No wall for Donnie.

If he couldn’t get the funding for 2 years with a Republican House and Senate, fat chance he’ll get it in the next 2 years with a Democratic House.

Maybe he can ask Mexico again :roll
 
I think the scariest situation in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Circus is more and more are leaving

But the ones leaving are the few that stand up to him and offer logic

Jim Mattis is off in February 2019 now …....

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is going to have a meltdown that will cause the world issues sooner rather than later

No one who will stand up and correct him is left on board
 
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I think the scariest situation in the Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon Circus is more and more are leaving

But the ones leaving are the few that stand up to him and offer logic

Jim Mattis is off in February 2019 now …....

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is going to have a meltdown that will cause the world issues sooner rather than later

No one who will stand up and correct him is left on board

Unfortunately you are right the few people who have tried to rein in his impetuosity/stupidity are leaving him on bad terms.The last thing the world needs is "yes men" around him nodding their heads in agreement
 
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Thank you :wink:

*hey if your not going too interpret irony in my statements. I won't in yours.*

Quoting a propaganda site like skeptical science isn't irony, its comedy.

And because you were sucked in by the website, you then went on to double down on their false claims.

Slow clap for you.

Skeptical science is fine, their quotes are accurate.

What gets me is that ostridges/denialists like yourself have jacked up Sydneys power prices.

As we see:
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/dec/21/electricity-prices-forecast-to-fall-21-in-two-years-due-to-wind-and-solar

"in South Australia can expect the biggest price falls – down $120 a year on average by 2021 – followed by south-east Queensland ($76), Tasmania ($39), New South Wales ($27) and Victoria ($25).

But prices will soar 9.3% in Western Australia, or $156 a year, with rises also expected in the Australian Capital Territory, up $87, and the Northern Territory, up $47."

So a smart battery and solar system in South Australia produces the biggest power bill reduction in Australia.
Remember Abbott, campaigning about power rises, and prices going straight up while he was in government.

Are you OK with poor Western Sydney families paying for your Coal company subsidies and climate denial? Had Australia had an ETS and clear direction our power bills would have been going down. Good thing Labor in SA took some leadership.
I guess Clive Palmer needs more stakes to feed himself. Poor Coal welfare I mean subsidy queen.

How many blackouts and price rises did SA endure before this massive cut?

Can you produce details of what each state was paying 10 years ago, whether they were self sufficient in terms of generating and where their power was coming from?

Good point.
South Australia was basically black out capital, closely followed by Victoria.
However that was 2016\. South Australia did have some renewables in it's generation feed, but their large blackout was caused because of downed power lines on the grid.
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/sep/29/south-australia-blackout-explained-renewables-not-to-blame

This is a grid problem. When everyone is connected and you have your generation being done on the coast. Down powerlines will bring down your grid.

Victoria would often have Greyout's as the state could not match peak power demand.

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Can you produce details of what each state was paying 10 years ago, whether they were self sufficient in terms of generating and where their power was coming from?

Where is the power coming from?
This is one graph, there are a few others.
In the last 10 years prices have increased incredibly:
https://theconversation.com/a-high-price-for-policy-failure-the-ten-year-story-of-spiralling-electricity-bills-89450
^ this shows you what the Greenies are responsible for (16% price rise) and what has changed in the market (a lot more).
The Retail factor increase is far larger then any renewable effort.

also the ABC, being negative on Renewable energy. But shows the price rises.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-16/clean-energy-target-not-certain-to-lower-power-prices-accc/9052094

Hazelbrook and other Brown coal plants have closed. A part of this is that they were highly polluting. Another part was that they were built when the Newtown Jets were a finals prospect. These plants have a life, with a high investment up front. The 80's may have paid for your cheaper power in the 2000's, but that investment has ended.
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Were they 'self sufficent'? Do you mean did they generate enough power?
Compare NSW to Victoria. NSW was Gov owned in the 1990's and overproduced to meet demand. We never if rarely had distruptions and I don't recall a Grey out. Victoria regularly had Greyouts as they were privatised. Their operators would try to match demand and occasionally get it wrong.

When they got it wrong the state stopped.

The way of the future is smart grids like South Australia that can cope with this fluctuations.
 
Spot on. South Australia's blackouts/brownouts etc had bugger all to do with renewables despite the outright lies the federal government tried to sell.
 
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