Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[jadtiger]

@jadtiger lol you have been crying a lot lately. Its ok. You will still get whatever benefits you are obviously upset about losing...

I have worked hard all my life and am now retired i certainly have doubts about you.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

Labor have lurched so far to the left on climate change etc get vack to basics.
A good result for the silent majority in this country

 

[Kev]

@jadtiger dont you worry about me mate. I got the result out of this election I wanted. The far right diminished, Shorten failed and gone, Labor's social agenda hopefully skittled, independants shouldnt have power...good result for the nation moving forward.

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Harvey
I think this is one of the most salient points. Couldn't communicate their agenda to their main support group. I know I had difficulty getting my head around some of it. Too much, too big, too soon. It also couldn't have helped having the likes of Penny Wong carrying some of the media. Smug and dismissive. Nothing they did spoke of any close relationship with the electorate.

 

[diedpretty]

Superb win for Australia last night. Far right didnt gain, even losing seats and Labor didnt claim power to implement their socialist agenda of uncosted craziness. Pretty much a perfect result for the nation.

Yep and the NBN will remain a dream for 90% of Australians.

 

[diedpretty]

I have been worried the last few weeks that my son's future and that of all the other young people in this world, was going to have one more nail driven into it's coffin. Sadly this has occurred on the back of a used car salesman type ad man, assisted by the deep pockets of a mining mogul that is only concerned with himself and gaining advantage through political means. We have been sold a lemon on the back of fear slogans again.

Like most, I have never been a fan of Shorten, but with a strong team behind, we would have been placed to be a leader in trying to halt the severe damage we are inflicting on our home, this planet. It appears that they have won on the back of the old that were sucked in by untruths, just like in the Brexit decision and our young have to live with it.

My only hope is that it is a minority government, with Haines and Stegall forcing some change in the coalition's climate approach.

You forgot mentioning that maggot ex Australian who actually runs the country. His barrage of blatant lies through his media outlets that was swallowed up by the most gullible people in the world didn't help much. Hopefully this dog excrement won't be around much longer.

 

[diedpretty]

So who's their next leader? Do they have someone that resembles a human?

I wouldn't be gloating too much - the knives are no doubt being sharpened by Josh Liesenberg and Mr Potato Head. I'll wager Morriscum doesn't last the full term.

 

[diedpretty]

@jadtiger If you ever want to know what positive thinking can achieve with hard work you just have to look at what Scomo has single handily achieved !that is what a real leader looks like ! Man of the people all within 6 months ..

Hardly man of the people more like Murdochs puppet

Exactly - anyone who thinks Morrison is a leader of the people has rocks in their head.

 

[gallagher]

So who's their next leader? Do they have someone that resembles a human?

I wouldn't be gloating too much - the knives are no doubt being sharpened by Josh Liesenberg and Mr Potato Head. I'll wager Morriscum doesn't last the full term.

Not gloating at all. It's the first time I've ever voted libs. I would have loved it if they could have put up a good alternative as PM. If Shorten was deemd their best then I shudder to think who number 2 is.

 

[dazza65]

At the end of the day, I really think this was about the Silent Majority having an absolute gut full of the OTT lefty - listen to me I’m on twitter and I am right about everything- denizens of social media who think they have right to belittle everyone who doesn’t drop into line. I know I’ve had a gut full of being told what’s right and what’s wrong by millennials and hypocritical pseudo intellectual media “personalities “ who want to throw in the latest buzzwords to show how “Uber cool” they are.
I come from a working class family who struggled, worked hard and benefited from that. I worked hard, went to uni and have been in the work force as an employee, a boss and a self employed small business owner and I am educated both literally and in the school of hard knocks so I know what works for me and my family and business associates and friends and what doesn’t. I don’t need nor appreciate being preached to constantly by others who believe they know better than I.
I am ugly enough and old enough to make my own decisions without being made to feel like Hitler because I may not put the supposedly socially acceptable platforms first in my thinking. I happened to think economic decisions are more important as the funding for all other initiatives flow from that core platform. That’s my view and I’m entitled to it and I don’t belittle others for not thinking the same - as most of the silent majority do as well. We just don’t dominate the conversation - hence the silent. This is why I no longer on any form of Social media ( is this site social media??)

So to all who voted with their conscience for Labor after hopefully making your own informed decision, commiserations; for those those who voted for LNP after making their own informed decision, congratulations.

Despite all the rage and invective thrown around by certain groups, the sun will rise in the morning and all will be good in the best country in the world.

Let’s just all get in and get on with it, whatever and whoever and wherever you are - partisan politics can be a great divider - regardless, Aussies just get on with it.
Rant over.
Go Tiges.....

 

[kiwitiger]

I'm going to start of with I'm a political junkie. My first job was at the aussie high commission here in Wellington as a junior economist firstly under Keating and then Howard govt. What shocks me about the last few aussie elections is that it's never about how they can be progressive for Australia but more be worrying about the other guy. How are the libs going to help Australia more than they have over the last 6 years? So for most Aussies this is as good as it gets.
Funny thing is we had this for years until our present PM when she took over the job a couple of months out from an election she said yeah the govt has done well but I feel we can do better. Not negative but positive...really makes a difference.

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

@diedpretty ABC the taxpayers unbiased coverage what a joke that is, i figure if you dont like murdoch papers dont buy them but some balance needs to come into the ABC left leaning coverage i say cut the funding bigtime put that money into better resources

 

[Yossarian]

I don't really intend to get involved in debates. Most people on this forum probably know my political views. This loss has hit me pretty hard. Shorten might not be Bob Hawke but I'm worried the direction this country is heading when handouts for shareholders trumps money for health and education. Morrison is basically Ray Hadley with better teeth and a nice suit. He stands for nothing except keeping Labor out of government. At least Howard had ideas. This guy is a cheap, third rate plodder. I shall watch with interest to see if this surplus happens. It's been an ugly campaign. Shorten for all his faults ran what I thought was a sincere and progressive platform. It's a shame the ALP campaign was terrible. His ideas deserved better discussion than the moronic rotorts it got. The Chinese language stuff, the inheritance tax lies, the ridiculous claims about higher petrol prices - low rent politics for the easily frightened. I hope Albo can cut through the crap a bit better. You can only peddle the bogeyman lies for so long...

 

[old_man_tiger]

@kiwitiger assuming you are more qualified in economics than the rest of us, is this constant talk of a budget surplus a good thing?

Looking at how money flows in the economy, isn't it a bad think for a government to make a profit? It scared me that both parties were campaigning on this idea. It seems like a terrible way to run a country but I'd appreciate your view as someone who worked in the field.

 

[Snake]

@Yossarian Medi scare not that he ALP would do anything to frighten and tell the electorate any lies ... such angels .

 

[Nelson]

@kiwitiger assuming you are more qualified in economics than the rest of us, is this constant talk of a budget surplus a good thing?

Looking at how money flows in the economy, isn't it a bad think for a government to make a profit? It scared me that both parties were campaigning on this idea. It seems like a terrible way to run a country but I'd appreciate your view as someone who worked in the field.

From my memory of 3 unit economics about 20 years ago whether or not a budget surplus is desirable at any given point in time depends upon a number of things such as:
- The current level of debt (in absolute terms and as a % of gross domestic product);
- The terms of the debt (i.e. whether it is at favourable or unfavourable rates which impacts on the cost of servicing the debt);
- The projected future cost of borrowing (i.e. if it's going to be going up then accruing debt now is better than accruing debt when it's going to cost more to service);
- The state of the economy - if it's growing at a reasonable rate then the government doesn't necessarily need to be injecting cash by way of a deficit to stimulate growth;
- The nature of the spending that is going to bring about any deficit - if the budget is going into deficit in order to fund capital investment that is likely to boost the economy down the track then it may be worthwhile.

It is never as simple as "surplus = good economic management and deficit = bad economic management", it all comes down to the reasoning.

 

[the_third]

This term is a poisoned chalice, and the first real test of the liberal party’s economic credentials I can remember. So let’s see what they have. Jury out here but at the end of it I’m pretty sure we won’t have 2 parties with policies that are line ball again. Next election I just hope we get a clear majority so someone can just point us in a direction...right or not

 

[Yossarian]

@Snake Like I said, I'm not really interested in debates. I think there's a point of difference between the two things. The Coalition has never really believed in socialised medicine. They did freeze the scheduled payments. The death tax thing was a flat out nonsense. Of course Labor runs scare campaigns, they all do. I just think it was a whole other level this time.

 

[hammertime]

I don't really intend to get involved in debates. Most people on this forum probably know my political views. This loss has hit me pretty hard. Shorten might not be Bob Hawke but I'm worried the direction this country is heading when handouts for shareholders trumps money for health and education. Morrison is basically Ray Hadley with better teeth and a nice suit. He stands for nothing except keeping Labor out of government. At least Howard had ideas. This guy is a cheap, third rate plodder. I shall watch with interest to see if this surplus happens. It's been an ugly campaign. Shorten for all his faults ran what I thought was a sincere and progressive platform. It's a shame the ALP campaign was terrible. His ideas deserved better discussion than the moronic rotorts it got. The Chinese language stuff, the inheritance tax lies, the ridiculous claims about higher petrol prices - low rent politics for the easily frightened. I hope Albo can cut through the crap a bit better. You can only peddle the bogeyman lies for so long...

I think you've relayed a few peoples sentiments yoss. I'm typically a liberal voter, but I liked the no-BS approach from labor to some burning issues that we really needed to tackle. If I was in Australia these days, I would have voted for them.

The honest truth is that while the boomers are around, policy will always lean towards their self serving ways.

I don't agree that Bill didn't sell his policies well enough. He vallently tried to take the biggest demographic on, for the first time in my memory, and lost.

I hope to god that they vote in albo. The other alternatives are going to appeal to the wider population in the same way shorten did.

 

[diedpretty]

@diedpretty ABC the taxpayers unbiased coverage what a joke that is, i figure if you dont like murdoch papers dont buy them but some balance needs to come into the ABC left leaning coverage i say cut the funding bigtime put that money into better resources

You have to be kidding - its the neutered ABC against the maggots empire - talk about bias - sky news would have to be the most biased channel in Australia.