Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Snake]

@Cultured_Bogan Unfortunately yes as probable 75% of the population rely on it in some way ... other than the Get up types that get there money fortnightly from the Gov.

 

[gallagher]

geez some are getting carried away. Any lib voter is rich, greedy, bogan, stupid and easily scared!
He probably would have won if he didnt want to take self funded retirees money away.

Or if he could jog like a normal person, that turned me off him....

 

[Yossarian]

@weststigers Well Albanese is NSW left and Shorten is Victorian right. But it's all about perception I guess. Albo looks more like Hawke than Shorten which is odd given Shorten and Hawke followed similar paths.

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Cultured_Bogan
Didn't you just love Tony Abbott in his farewell speech giving the game away re Climate Change? "Where Climate change is a moral issue, we Liberals do it tough, but when climate change is an economic issue.............. we do very very well."
Morals, who needs em? Show me the money!

 

[Abraham]

So people voted against having even more of their hard earned money stolen by crooks posing as politicians.

Wow .. earth shattering !

Hopefully its another generation or two before anyone is stupid enough to run on a platform of soft socialism.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan Unfortunately yes as probable 75% of the population rely on it in some way ... other than the Get up types that get there money fortnightly from the Gov.

At least you're honest about it I guess.

I hate that tax money I pay is being taken to fund revised former tax offset mechanisms when it could be going to something productive. Education and health in particular. Another one of Howard's legacies, no wonder boomers love him.

Could have turned a blind eye to the continuation of franking credits and negative gearing if the LNP were willing to have the guts to promote nuclear power as a way to trend into carbon neutral energy. High yield, high fuel reserves and will tie us over until sustainable renewables or fusion technology can be implemented.

 

[Snake]

@Cultured_Bogan your power comments ring true and the Government has to implement a nuclear policy for our base load power , if the left are so concerned about climate change they should be backing this in . Hopefully the powers to be on both sides and the general electorate are mature enough to get on with this .

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Balmain_Boy
For years my wife and I have wondered how many of the people in our area, presumably on similar incomes, can afford to have a house with a pool, two new cars sitting in their driveways and travel interstate and overseas for holidays.
The answer is that many, many people are way overextended with loans to the max. Those people would have been successfully scared by the liberals campaign. The bit they didn't figure out is that unless they can dig their way out of debt quick smart, pain is coming their way anyway and the liberals cant stop it.
Stupid is as stupid does.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan your power comments ring true and the Government has to implement a nuclear policy for our base load power , if the left are so concerned about climate change they should be backing this in . Hopefully the powers to be on both sides and the general electorate are mature enough to get on with this .

For some reason an unauthorised experiment in a reactor in a country that doesn't exist anymore and another reactor that was built in a country renowned for earthquakes and tsunami are the stock arguments. It works for France, not sure why it can't work here.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Balmain_Boy
For years my wife and I have wondered how many of the people in our area, presumably on similar incomes, can afford to have a house with a pool, two new cars sitting in their driveways and travel interstate and overseas for holidays.
The answer is that many, many people are way overextended with loans to the max. Those people would have been successfully scared by the liberals campaign. The bit they didn't figure out is that unless they can dig their way out of debt quick smart, pain is coming their way anyway and the liberals cant stop it.
Stupid is as stupid does.

Bingo. I work with a number of people like that. They don't borrow off their base wage, they look at the regular overtime and base their mortgage on that. Work goes quiet and they start sweating bullets. The big house isn't enough either, they have to have their motorbikes, second car, jet ski, fishing boat. Idiocy.

 

[Abraham]

@Balmain_Boy So Liberal voters are either rich snobs or backwards uneducated bogans, who were too stupid to see the reality of Bill Shorten's messianic genius, and got hoodwinked by Rupert Murdoch?

Gee, talk about unhinged. And salty.

Ever stop for a minute and think people think differently to you? Have different priorities than you? Don't want big taxes and big Government interfering in every aspect of their lives? Ever think that alot of these same people are probably much smarter than you are, too?

There is a reason that Federal Labor has only been in power for 6 out of the last 24 years. Maybe you're the one being hoodwinked and not seeing things clearly.

 

[PD77]

Wow, so many people upset about the result of a democratic election. The silent majority stood up and said no thanks to Labour. The End. FYI - I live in the seat of Dickson 😉

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Wow, so many people upset about the result of a democratic election. The silent majority stood up and said no thanks to Labour. The End. FYI - I live in the seat of Dickson 😉

Can't speak for others but in reality I'm not all that upset. I am one of those who gets to have their cake and eat it too (I will benefit from the LNP's tax cuts in the long term so it's not as though I personally lose out by having the LNP in government.) I believe if done right the green sector could be managed in a way that could prove to be a benefit to the economy and job market, but the ALP did not sell it right as the electorate was certainly not buying.

I respect the democratic process. Truth be told if the ALP did win there'd be the same argument in reverse. IMO there's no value to be had in sulking about the result as it doesn't change anything, there were a couple of key things the ALP could have done better in order to secure the vote, they will have to go back and regroup and revise policy to be a little more palatable next time around.

 

[PD77]

@Cultured_Bogan Good post. I vote a certain way because I fundamentally believe in one parties motives, ideals and policies over the others. Others disagree, that's fine. The only thing that gets my back up is when people make elitist comments that suggest people are snobs or bogans for daring to have a differing opinion to theirs. I'm yet to meet anyone who is always right.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan Good post. I vote a certain way because I fundamentally believe in one parties motives, ideals and policies over the others. Others disagree, that's fine. The only thing that gets my back up is when people make elitist comments that suggest people are snobs or bogans for daring to have a differing opinion to theirs. I'm yet to meet anyone who is always right.

I'm coloured somewhere between the two. I try to balance my views between self motivation and what I think is good for the country. As I said, I don't lose out with the LNP. I'm sure some may which is why they get upset, likewise when the ALP take power. I'm sure it's not just stereotype voters either ("retirees, working families" for the LNP and "dole bludgers" for the ALP.) The market is a lot more complex than just the government of the day (sure policy dictates somewhat but it is not the only metric.) The economy is supposedly doing well but it didn't stop my parents in law both losing their jobs within 12 months of each other. I'm sure many other hard working Australians have had the same problems. Likewise others will suffer the same under a Labor government.

 

[balmain boy]

@Balmain_Boy So Liberal voters are either rich snobs or backwards uneducated bogans, who were too stupid to see the reality of Bill Shorten's messianic genius, and got hoodwinked by Rupert Murdoch?

Gee, talk about unhinged. And salty.

Ever stop for a minute and think people think differently to you? Have different priorities than you? Don't want big taxes and big Government interfering in every aspect of their lives? Ever think that alot of these same people are probably much smarter than you are, too?

There is a reason that Federal Labor has only been in power for 6 out of the last 24 years. Maybe you're the one being hoodwinked and not seeing things clearly.

Pretty much right on your first para. And yes government always has their fingers in everyone's business. Yes of course other people have different opinions and sadly Australia is becoming an increasingly narrow minded, selfish and highly conservative country. Rich get richer, the poor get poorer and the gap between widens every day.

Who cares about the environment? About public education? About equality? About disability and mental health care? It's about me, me, me.

Thankfully not everyone thinks that way.

 

[Yossarian]

@Abraham Personality I consider my taxes being used to pay cash to wealthy shareholders and multiple property owners to be a more egregious form of "theft". Taxation IMO should be a mechanism to benefit society as a whole. Therefore I believe there are far better uses of taxpayer funds than a $6B subsidy for shareholders who pay no tax.

 

[Abraham]

@Balmain_Boy You sound like every Leftist on twitter over the weekend. Whinge whinge, whine whine.

Everyone who doesn't see things through your red coloured glasses is an evil conservative.

How about this. Make a coherent argument that people can engage in with you, which God-forbid, may make you examine and expand upon your own ideas. You will learn something about the other side, and if you're honest be forced to come up with factual arguments to defend and maybe delve deeper into the reasoning behind you own views.

Once upon a time that's how adults interacted with each other. Try it some time.

 

[Abraham]

@Yossarian Do you understand how the Imputation System works?

If you do, then explain how Franking Credits are a subsidy rather than the normal workings of a tax system where tax is **not** paid multiple times on the same income?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Yossarian Do you understand how the Imputation System works?

If you do, then explain how Franking Credits are a subsidy rather than the normal workings of a tax system where tax is **not** paid multiple times on the same income?

Correct me if I'm wrong that was not the initial intention of dividend imputation. It was originally implemented as a tax offset mechanism, not as a means to write off a negative value of tax.