Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Ponyo]

I just wish the US would stop invading other people's countries


Thats fair enough, but the airstrike on Soleimani was in Iraq not Iran and the US are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government to help quell Iranian backed militia.

Wrong. They were mandated to train and supervise Iraqi security forces only. The US pulled out of Iraq officially a long time ago. -
these assassinations were wrong Glenn.
Iraq is a good chance of kicking them out of Baghdad all together in the coming days. The only people celebrating these deaths are war mongers to the west & ISIS/wahabi sympathisers in the east. These killings were wrong, they'll be severe consequences

 

[trentrunciman]

I just wish the US would stop invading other people's countries


Thats fair enough, but the airstrike on Soleimani was in Iraq not Iran and the US are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government to help quell Iranian backed militia.


**Happy New Year All! From the horrible oppressive terrorist country of iran!**

 

[Ponyo]

@trentrunciman amazing, looks powdery as!

 

[trentrunciman]

@trentrunciman amazing, looks powdery as!

next runs for you mate! no alcohol but haha

 

[Ponyo]

@trentrunciman amazing, looks powdery as!

next runs for you mate! no alcohol but haha

Cheers, he he still better than Ski Dubai
Enjoy the carve up there...take it easy

 

[Tim Sheens]

I just wish the US would stop invading other people's countries


Thats fair enough, but the airstrike on Soleimani was in Iraq not Iran and the US are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government to help quell Iranian backed militia.


**Happy New Year All! From the horrible oppressive terrorist country of iran!**

The best part is that is that by the time they read this, you will have already educated some that thought the country as just another large desert. With any luck they will also take on board other points.

 

[trentrunciman]

I just wish the US would stop invading other people's countries


Thats fair enough, but the airstrike on Soleimani was in Iraq not Iran and the US are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government to help quell Iranian backed militia.


**Happy New Year All! From the horrible oppressive terrorist country of iran!**

The best part is that is that by the time they read this, you will have already educated some that thought the country as just another large desert. With any luck they will also take on board other points.

Pray Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon doesn't drone me!!

 

[Ponyo]

https://twitter.com/amalsaad_lb/status/1213741775430529024

 

[Tiger5150]

I just wish the US would stop invading other people's countries


Thats fair enough, but the airstrike on Soleimani was in Iraq not Iran and the US are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government to help quell Iranian backed militia.

Wrong. They were mandated to train and supervise Iraqi security forces only. ***The US pulled out of Iraq officially a long time ago***. -
***these assassinations were wrong*** Glenn.
Iraq is a good chance of kicking them out of Baghdad all together in the coming days. The only people celebrating these deaths are war mongers to the west & ISIS/wahabi sympathisers in the east. These killings were wrong, they'll be severe consequences

OK, this is officially my last post in here. You and a few others here are too invested in your own opinions and your own side> I dont have a side and was hoping that politics could be actually discussed here, maybe it can but I will not be part of it.

Of course there will be consequences and of course the assassinations were wrong. But guess what......consequences go both ways.

For *months*, ***Iranian*** backed militia Kataib Hezbollah have been lobbing rockets at US personnel in Iraqi military posts in Northern Iraq. For months. There was ZERO retaliation from the US for it. Until two Fridays ago when a Kataib Hezbollah rocket killed a US contractor (civilian). That killing was ***WRONG*** and now it also had consequences. The US launched airstrikes at 5 Kataib Hezbollah compounds in Iraq & Syria and killed 25 Kataib Hezbollah fighters. These airstrikes and killings are also wrong but were in obvious retaliation.

The consequence of these airstrikes was the attack on the US embassy in which useless Iraqi security forces waved the Iranian militias through into the green zone to start their attacks.

The consequences? Airstrikes on Iranian warlords who just happened to be in Baghdad.

Its all wrong and each killing has a consequence and retailiation. Its wrong if its the US and its wrong if it is Iran. Just because there are some nice people and good skifields in Iran doesnt absolve them of what they are doing in the region and OF COURSE there have been decades now of US screwing the joint up.

I am not a flag waving US sympathiser. I can see the damage they have caused for years in the ME. But it is simplistic nonsense to kneejerk, its just the US wanting control of oil, it is WAY more complex than that and simplisticly painting the US as the bad guy dressed in black is ridiculous rubbish. The Middle East is a canvas for Saudi v Iran proxies.

Iran care about control. they want the US out of the Middle East (which makes sense). They do NOT want a war with the US because there will be Mullahs and the Ayatollah smeared all over Tehran in weeks and it makes it hard to control from there.

See ya.

 

[Tiger5150]

https://twitter.com/amalsaad_lb/status/1213741775430529024

You are quoting someone who writes a paper lauding the Iran Hezbollah proxy relationship?.

Im done.

 

[Ponyo]

https://twitter.com/amalsaad_lb/status/1213741775430529024


You are quoting someone who writes a paper lauding the Iran Hezbollah proxy relationship?.

Im done.

Iran Hezbollah proxy what? I was posting a video of the funeral procession. I don't know who that lady is that posted the clip, Glenn

 

[Tiger5150]

https://twitter.com/amalsaad_lb/status/1213741775430529024


You are quoting someone who writes a paper lauding the Iran Hezbollah proxy relationship?.

Im done.

Iran Hezbollah proxy what? I was posting a video of the funeral procession. I don't know who that lady is that posted the clip, Glenn

Maybe you should do some research first.

EDIT - No you should do what you want, as I said before, Im out.

I find it incredibly ironic that you have at every opportunity leapt on my posts here to tell me my opinion is WRONG, usually based on some assumption you made up about me.......but to make a point about Soleimani & Iran, you quote a scholar who wrote a paper on the great thing that is the Iran Hezbollah proxy arrangement. You post about how any killing is wrong and will lead to consequences but quote someone praising Hezbollah and the fact they are an Iranian proxy.

Ok...now I am done.

 

[Ponyo]

Glenn, you're being very unreasonable you know. I posted the funeral procession video to highlight the sheer scale of the can of worms that's been opened. I stopped reading the rubbish you wrote earlier on, copy+paste right wing crap. You site usatoday.com and militarytimes.com as sources - It was always going to be difficult for us, I understand why you feel you might be done. Talk soon

 

[Tiger5150]

Glenn, you're being very unreasonable you know. I posted the funeral procession video to highlight the sheer scale of the can of worms that's been opened. I stopped reading the rubbish you wrote earlier on,

And yet you kept responding to it, even without reading it.

copy+paste right wing crap.

Assumptions are your go-to and the reason this thread is done.

You site usatoday.com and militarytimes.com as sources - It was always going to be difficult for us, I understand why you feel you might be done.

Im glad you understand, you have demonstrated it yet again in your hypocrisy. The reasons I used those websites is because they had photos of the smouldering remains of the building that you defiantly declared "***there was no breach!***". BBC also reported it however I didnt use their site because they didnt have photos. When confronted with irrefutable proof that you were wrong, you ran away. You are correct, I cant have a legitimate discussion with an unprincipled coward like that.

You repeatedly told me that I "didnt know what I was talking about" or "Wrong!", each time I graciously didnt say you were wrong, but pointed out that two things can be correct at the same time and it is possible for us to have differing opinions. This is despite the fact that you stand there like Baghdad Bob, saying "nothing to see here" as parts of the US Embassy building is smouldering.

There have been many posts in here where someone has corrected me and Ive copped it and learned from it. You wont and you will not learn from it, just live in your self righteous bubble. Well I cant have a discussion with someone like that.

The hypocrisy of you questioning those two legitimate websites because you deem them to be right wing but post the author of a paper extolling the Iran-Hezbollah Proxy. My god. She didnt even say it was what you said it was....he post tellingly says..."this appears to be....."

Im glad you understand that it is not possible to discuss legitimate issues with someone who will not stand by what they say and resorts to baseless name calling at every opportunity.

Talk soon

No we wont.

 

[Ponyo]

You'll be back again silly man...
Until then go kick rocks. Scram

 

[Tim Sheens]

Its all wrong and each killing has a consequence and retailiation. Its wrong if its the US and its wrong if it is Iran. Just because there are some nice people and good skifields in Iran doesnt absolve them of what they are doing in the region and OF COURSE there have been decades now of US screwing the joint up.

And that's why there is no point of argument. This is a play of a chess match, but the stage is in the Middle East with many players and one of those major protagonists is armed to the hilt with nuclear arms and another stopped trying to make them.

I just hope that we are not stupid enough to follow those fools over there again into a new conflict, as our returned service personnel are still paying for the last one.

 

[Ponyo]

I'm pretty worried about war, and Australia being dragged in as a consequence. I worry for everyone, young U.S. soldiers, Jews, Shi'a, Sunni, Coptics etc. Another war should be avoided at all costs that point is clear.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I'm pretty worried about war, and Australia being dragged in as a consequence. I worry for everyone, young U.S. soldiers, Jews, Shi'a, Sunni, Coptics etc. Another war should be avoided at all costs that point is clear.

Not alone there. I couldn't believe it last time when Andrew Wilkie turned whistleblower and told us that their intelligence reports were lies, yet we still committed our troops to Iraq based on what was known as being falsified.

Criminal decision by the Howard government to go there and one that Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon stated that Bush should have been impeached over as well.

Even though still a single voice, having it in parliament, Wilkie should make a bigger difference this time around.

 

[Ponyo]

I wasn't in the country at the time FG, I was in the middle east funnily enough. George W. & Friends are criminals. Best case scenario this can be settled diplomatically and the US and its allies can start pulling out of there - wishful thinking, I know. We've seen how quick things can flair up, a lot of scrambling is going on right now in the background I suspect. It seems we have collective amnesia though because history keeps repeating itself.
Between the fires and thes M.E. situation, it's been a very sobering start to 2020.

 

[cktiger]

I just wish the US would stop invading other people's countries


Thats fair enough, but the airstrike on Soleimani was in Iraq not Iran and the US are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government to help quell Iranian backed militia.


**Happy New Year All! From the horrible oppressive terrorist country of iran!**

No one is saying the Iranian people are to blame... its their government.
If you’re there you must see a lot of anti hardline fundamentalist sentiment.
I’ve got Iranian friends who have been praying for Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to get rid of the current government since he was elected.