Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[Tiger5150]

Is today going to be a watershed moment in US politics with their Super Tuesday now playing out? I for one think it will be the barometer of shifting social, economic and moral change, and one that the establishment of the Democratic party will have to take seriously.

It is too late for the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi et al have pandered to AOC's squad for the sake of a few Time mag covers and know they are locked in for the ride. The cost of this ride might be moderate America.


The evolution of the Republicans from the times of Lincoln is just about complete, to now basically have become the opposite of their origins and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the antithesis of their former great leader. One only has to look to their general hold on power, suppression and oppression in the former confederate states to see the transformation of the former GOP.

The effects of the last round of tax cuts to top off their similar policies since the Reagan administration has many more Americans realising the true effects of their disparity, which is now showing change as being some ten fold between upper management and workers over that period. The country is now increasingly accelerating into an oligarchy, which combined with environmental deregulation and the lack of climate change action, the people are now mobilising.


I dont agree with this one sided and myopic summary, but I do agree that some people are mobilising. For mine America seems incredibly divided with a very vocal and media savvy group of young leftists and conservatives railing against. The core in the middle will determine the future but the size of the division is worrying.

Tonight we will likely find out just how many are currently joining this movement.

No we wont actually. In November we will. Tonight we find out how far the DNC has lurched to the left. We find out how many Democratic Party members will join Bernies movement but importantly not how many nationally.

FWIW overall voter numbers to the Dem primaries are down on 2016 which must be a worry for the Dems. I would have thought more would have been turning out as an anti Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon signal.

BTW isnt Big Tuesday next week?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Is today going to be a watershed moment in US politics with their Super Tuesday now playing out? I for one think it will be the barometer of shifting social, economic and moral change, and one that the establishment of the Democratic party will have to take seriously.

It is too late for the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi et al have pandered to AOC's squad for the sake of a few Time mag covers and know they are locked in for the ride. The cost of this ride might be moderate America.


The evolution of the Republicans from the times of Lincoln is just about complete, to now basically have become the opposite of their origins and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the antithesis of their former great leader. One only has to look to their general hold on power, suppression and oppression in the former confederate states to see the transformation of the former GOP.

The effects of the last round of tax cuts to top off their similar policies since the Reagan administration has many more Americans realising the true effects of their disparity, which is now showing change as being some ten fold between upper management and workers over that period. The country is now increasingly accelerating into an oligarchy, which combined with environmental deregulation and the lack of climate change action, the people are now mobilising.


I dont agree with this one sided and myopic summary, but I do agree that some people are mobilising. For mine America seems incredibly divided with a very vocal and media savvy group of young leftists and conservatives railing against. The core in the middle will determine the future but the size of the division is worrying.

Tonight we will likely find out just how many are currently joining this movement.

No we wont actually. In November we will. Tonight we find out how far the DNC has lurched to the left. We find out how many Democratic Party members will join Bernies movement but importantly not how many nationally.

FWIW overall voter numbers to the Dem primaries are down on 2016 which must be a worry for the Dems. I would have thought more would have been turning out as an anti Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon signal.

BTW isnt Big Tuesday next week?

Yes correct, the debate is today, this Tuesday over there, with voting next week and I am pretty sure that we won't have to wait until November to find out how many are currently joining the movement. I expect that some of the other contenders will both attack the progressive policies, whilst also talking more about their softer versions of the same, as they have gained traction.

They may be thought of as of being of the left in the US, but many of those same policies are considered as centrist in other advanced societies and increasingly so amongst the core in the state's as well.

 

[Tiger5150]

Is today going to be a watershed moment in US politics with their Super Tuesday now playing out? I for one think it will be the barometer of shifting social, economic and moral change, and one that the establishment of the Democratic party will have to take seriously.

It is too late for the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi et al have pandered to AOC's squad for the sake of a few Time mag covers and know they are locked in for the ride. The cost of this ride might be moderate America.


The evolution of the Republicans from the times of Lincoln is just about complete, to now basically have become the opposite of their origins and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the antithesis of their former great leader. One only has to look to their general hold on power, suppression and oppression in the former confederate states to see the transformation of the former GOP.

The effects of the last round of tax cuts to top off their similar policies since the Reagan administration has many more Americans realising the true effects of their disparity, which is now showing change as being some ten fold between upper management and workers over that period. The country is now increasingly accelerating into an oligarchy, which combined with environmental deregulation and the lack of climate change action, the people are now mobilising.


I dont agree with this one sided and myopic summary, but I do agree that some people are mobilising. For mine America seems incredibly divided with a very vocal and media savvy group of young leftists and conservatives railing against. The core in the middle will determine the future but the size of the division is worrying.

Tonight we will likely find out just how many are currently joining this movement.

No we wont actually. In November we will. Tonight we find out how far the DNC has lurched to the left. We find out how many Democratic Party members will join Bernies movement but importantly not how many nationally.

FWIW overall voter numbers to the Dem primaries are down on 2016 which must be a worry for the Dems. I would have thought more would have been turning out as an anti Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon signal.

BTW isnt Big Tuesday next week?

Yes correct, the debate is today, this Tuesday over there, with voting next week and I am pretty sure that we won't have to wait until November to find out how many are currently joining the movement. I expect that some of the other contenders will both attack the progressive policies, whilst also talking more about their softer versions of the same, as they have gained traction.

My point is you WILL find out how many are currently joining "the movement" from *within* the echo chamber of the DNC. You will have to wait until November to determine how many have joined Bernies movement nationally.

They may be thought of as of being of the left in the US, but many of those same policies are considered as centrist in other advanced societies and increasingly so amongst the core in the state's as well.

Disagree here. Are you going to use the "scandi" countries as examples? If so it is a very inaccurate analogy. The two situations are totally different. Denmark & Sweden have a very different health care system that is a lot closer to ours than Bernies Healthcare for All plan. Most of these countries have very tight immigration policies compared to Bernies open borders and these countries are the highest taxing countries in the world. Good luck selling those levels of taxation to US citizens.

 

[colinbh]

Is today going to be a watershed moment in US politics with their Super Tuesday now playing out? I for one think it will be the barometer of shifting social, economic and moral change, and one that the establishment of the Democratic party will have to take seriously.

It is too late for the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi et al have pandered to AOC's squad for the sake of a few Time mag covers and know they are locked in for the ride. The cost of this ride might be moderate America.


The evolution of the Republicans from the times of Lincoln is just about complete, to now basically have become the opposite of their origins and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the antithesis of their former great leader. One only has to look to their general hold on power, suppression and oppression in the former confederate states to see the transformation of the former GOP.

The effects of the last round of tax cuts to top off their similar policies since the Reagan administration has many more Americans realising the true effects of their disparity, which is now showing change as being some ten fold between upper management and workers over that period. The country is now increasingly accelerating into an oligarchy, which combined with environmental deregulation and the lack of climate change action, the people are now mobilising.


I dont agree with this one sided and myopic summary, but I do agree that some people are mobilising. For mine America seems incredibly divided with a very vocal and media savvy group of young leftists and conservatives railing against. The core in the middle will determine the future but the size of the division is worrying.

Tonight we will likely find out just how many are currently joining this movement.

No we wont actually. In November we will. Tonight we find out how far the DNC has lurched to the left. We find out how many Democratic Party members will join Bernies movement but importantly not how many nationally.

FWIW overall voter numbers to the Dem primaries are down on 2016 which must be a worry for the Dems. I would have thought more would have been turning out as an anti Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon signal.

BTW isnt Big Tuesday next week?

They are not turning out because secretly they love him.

 

[twentyforty]

Is today going to be a watershed moment in US politics with their Super Tuesday now playing out? I for one think it will be the barometer of shifting social, economic and moral change, and one that the establishment of the Democratic party will have to take seriously.

It is too late for the Democratic Party. Nancy Pelosi et al have pandered to AOC's squad for the sake of a few Time mag covers and know they are locked in for the ride. The cost of this ride might be moderate America.


The evolution of the Republicans from the times of Lincoln is just about complete, to now basically have become the opposite of their origins and Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon the antithesis of their former great leader. One only has to look to their general hold on power, suppression and oppression in the former confederate states to see the transformation of the former GOP.

The effects of the last round of tax cuts to top off their similar policies since the Reagan administration has many more Americans realising the true effects of their disparity, which is now showing change as being some ten fold between upper management and workers over that period. The country is now increasingly accelerating into an oligarchy, which combined with environmental deregulation and the lack of climate change action, the people are now mobilising.


I dont agree with this one sided and myopic summary, but I do agree that some people are mobilising. For mine America seems incredibly divided with a very vocal and media savvy group of young leftists and conservatives railing against. The core in the middle will determine the future but the size of the division is worrying.

Tonight we will likely find out just how many are currently joining this movement.

No we wont actually. In November we will. Tonight we find out how far the DNC has lurched to the left. We find out how many Democratic Party members will join Bernies movement but importantly not how many nationally.

FWIW overall voter numbers to the Dem primaries are down on 2016 which must be a worry for the Dems. I would have thought more would have been turning out as an anti Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon signal.

BTW isnt Big Tuesday next week?


They are not turning out because secretly they love him.

If it’s true, as they say 80 is the new 60? Then maybe it’s not too late?

 

[Tim Sheens]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?

 

[colinbh]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?

I really like the x-files

 

[Snake]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?

It’s called politics ..Romans had it down to a fine art .. honestly it’s politics ! no use trying to justify left or right in 200 yrs it will be exactly the same . Politicians are grubs and will say or do anything to gain power don’t get an ulcer over it .The left of politics bankrupt the right balance the books and the cycle goes on and on .

 

[GNR4LIFE]

What a time to be alive when the POTUS takes it personally when it’s reported how deadly a disease is

 

[Tim Sheens]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?


It’s called politics ..Romans had it down to a fine art .. honestly it’s politics ! no use trying to justify left or right in 200 yrs it will be exactly the same . Politicians are grubs and will say or do anything to gain power don’t get an ulcer over it .The left of politics bankrupt the right balance the books and the cycle goes on and on .

No, and I related to how one would treat their children if they acted accordingly to the current leaders on both sides of the Pacific.

Government is about service to the people, the electorate, in providing for health, infrastructure, education, security and community services for all. Lying to and demeaning some constituents, colluding with foreign powers and interference with departments or the law is corrupt or treasonous.

Furthermore, the left/right money management crap is just that, mostly BS and especially so when connected with growth, infrastructure and structural change. I can't find a Member fo Maui/Bridget Mc Kenzie style colour coded chart for Oz, so you will have to work them out, but the red/blue US performance graphs are readily available as per below.

Naturally, major things such as GFC for both nations and the rise of China in relation to Aus should to be taken into account, but the bare figures over 40/50 years are there.



 

[GNR4LIFE]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?


I really like the x-files

You probably believe the Clintons kill their enemies

 

[colinbh]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?


I really like the x-files

You probably believe the Clintons kill their enemies

You really need to go back on your pills and speak to someone.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Whilst not at the levels of collusion, outright lies, personal attacks and interference with justice over the Pacific, the state of our federal government is becoming increasingly poor on the back of that example. It now seems obvious that the prime minister's office had been intimately involved with the myriad of rorts in a number of grant schemes and is complicit in covering up these matters, including fraud by falsifying documents.

This comes on the back of interference in investigations that has our federal police not even questioning Angus Taylor over his political attack with the fraudulent document he provided to Murdoch media, nor Cash for her involvement with previous raids. Sure, these are not the first indiscretions, nor limited to the coalition, but it goes against the whole foundation of our parliamentary system, to have no accountability at ministerial level, with only her gun club membership conflict of interest being the reason for the deputy National's leader resigning.

For those that condone such actions on a party prefered ideology basis, how do or would you treat your child for acting in a similar manner?


I really like the x-files

You probably believe the Clintons kill their enemies


You really need to go back on your pills and speak to someone.

You don’t? Well there’s hope for you...I guess.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

We think it’s crazy here when our PM goes on holidays during a national crisis. In the US, you have both sides politicising a deadly virus that’s killed thousands. Not to mention, outrage over needing healthcare to get treated if you get infected. It’s a sick country, and I don’t say this often, but i’m thankful I live in a country that’s only 1/10th as crazy.

 

[fair dinkum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bI7vZT0Ijk

nek minnit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEXGAKj7qnk

Weasels and snakes.

 

[Tim Sheens]


 

[Tim Sheens]

What do you reckon the chances of this government taking the long term advice of both economists and business, in using the just about guaranteed to be most effective stimulus injection of raising the the newstart payment?

 

[jadtiger]

What do you reckon the chances of this government taking the long term advice of both economists and business, in using the just about guaranteed to be most effective stimulus injection of raising the the newstart payment?

It wont happen.Unfortunately this governments idea of stimulating the economy would be to give tax cuts to multinationals

 

[mike]

What do you reckon the chances of this government taking the long term advice of both economists and business, in using the just about guaranteed to be most effective stimulus injection of raising the the newstart payment?

Absolutely zero. This govt is way out of touch with what is actually needed. I suspect the stimulus will be aimed at business only and provide very little for everyone else.

 

[Snake]

What do you reckon the chances of this government taking the long term advice of both economists and business, in using the just about guaranteed to be most effective stimulus injection of raising the the newstart payment?

Absolutely zero. This govt is way out of touch with what is actually needed. I suspect the stimulus will be aimed at business only and provide very little for everyone else.

Yep Labor’s stimulus paid dead people / dogs / cats and people living in other countries just saying but I guess that’s ok !