Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[earl]

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Every Republican now calling for unity is like the abusive husband who beats their wife for 4 years, and then, when he’s finally arrested, says, “Baby, if you don’t press charges we can make this work.”
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My thoughts on what is to come is that I would force the Republicans in the Senate to make a decision on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. They either vote to obtain the two thirds majority and find the charge, even if at the minimum of 17 of their number voting for it to carry, else they will not put forward the motion to disqualify him from holding office.

That leaves the party to have to deal with further destruction by Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and make no bones about it, he is now damaged goods, with him and his minions having gone way too far for many millions that voted for him two months ago. It is time for them to seal the divorce

If Republicans cross the floor on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon come the vote there will no longer be a Republican Party as we know it .. the party will be split down the middle and a new party formed . With Biden signing a new Trade deal with China early in his term and the prospect of millions of Americans losing there jobs get a nice comfortable chair as it is about to get Really exciting !

I can see a new Trumpian party being formed. Who knows what is going to happen with China. The job situation will be difficult.

I compared Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon to Adolf recently and there are definitely similarities. I don't mean post Adolf killing millions of people. I mean prior to Adolf gaining power. There are lots of disenfranchised people. There are racists and conspiracy theorists out there. These people appear to like autocratic leaders like Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon.

Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon has come along at a time to drum up support from all these crazies. Those crazies banded together can have a political impact.

I heard a German women interviewing one of the Lincoln project founders (republicans against Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon) and she laughed stating where can it end with the same implication that I'm making. I don't think it will get anywhere near that bad but it's going to be really tough for Biden.

I think the next 4 yrs are going to be a very dramatic period for the US at home and abroad just my opinion ! Especially when Harris is sworn in within 12 months .

Firstly who says Harris gets sworn in within 12 months and secondly the US can't get a leader worse than Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon within the next 50-100 years. I could be wrong but the odds are against it.

Hopefully the republican party does a mass purge of the crazies and then moderate policies can be enacted going forward.

 

[Tim Sheens]

This is what happens when you lie to the world on behalf of a narcissist. With the beginning and likely final shots of bull dung no longer looking like Barbie below at the lectern, who is now copping it big time from Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon for no longer fronting for him.

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[Tiger5150]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

True, but I am pretty sure classical Marxist Communism intended to eradicate class by social standing and earnings. You shouldn't have a thousand billionaires in a communist society while there is still a peasantry.

There certainly is communist elements to the Chinese economy (i.e. ownership of the means of production,) but again the workers are meant to primarily benefit from that according to Marxist theory. If there's a bunch of rich dudes bouncing around off the back of that someone is taking more than their share, even if China has lifted half its population out of abject poverty in the last couple of decades. It is like an authoritarian crony capitalism.

 

[Tiger5150]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

True, but I am pretty sure classical Marxist Communism intended to eradicate class by social standing and earnings. You shouldn't have a thousand billionaires in a communist society while there is still a peasantry.

There certainly is communist elements to the Chinese economy (i.e. ownership of the means of production,) but again the workers are meant to primarily benefit from that according to Marxist theory. If there's a bunch of rich dudes bouncing around off the back of that someone is taking more than their share, even if China has lifted half its population out of abject poverty in the last couple of decades. It is like an authoritarian crony capitalism.

100% cronyism. It’s nothing like Marxism but there are many forms of communism. China is obviously borne from Maoism but has strayed a long way. The CCP is basically the central organisation and the ones further up the party ladder benefiting. Yes millions have been dragged out of poverty but billions remain there and ultimately the billionaires are exploiting those in poverty.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

True, but I am pretty sure classical Marxist Communism intended to eradicate class by social standing and earnings. You shouldn't have a thousand billionaires in a communist society while there is still a peasantry.

There certainly is communist elements to the Chinese economy (i.e. ownership of the means of production,) but again the workers are meant to primarily benefit from that according to Marxist theory. If there's a bunch of rich dudes bouncing around off the back of that someone is taking more than their share, even if China has lifted half its population out of abject poverty in the last couple of decades. It is like an authoritarian crony capitalism.


100% cronyism. It’s nothing like Marxism but there are many forms of communism. China is obviously borne from Maoism but has strayed a long way. The CCP is basically the central organisation and the ones further up the party ladder benefiting. Yes millions have been dragged out of poverty but billions remain there and ultimately the billionaires are exploiting those in poverty.

Dude that is the point I am making. A select few are profiteering at the expense of the others, even if their conditions have improved, it has not improved at the rate of the few.

 

[Tiger5150]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

True, but I am pretty sure classical Marxist Communism intended to eradicate class by social standing and earnings. You shouldn't have a thousand billionaires in a communist society while there is still a peasantry.

There certainly is communist elements to the Chinese economy (i.e. ownership of the means of production,) but again the workers are meant to primarily benefit from that according to Marxist theory. If there's a bunch of rich dudes bouncing around off the back of that someone is taking more than their share, even if China has lifted half its population out of abject poverty in the last couple of decades. It is like an authoritarian crony capitalism.


100% cronyism. It’s nothing like Marxism but there are many forms of communism. China is obviously borne from Maoism but has strayed a long way. The CCP is basically the central organisation and the ones further up the party ladder benefiting. Yes millions have been dragged out of poverty but billions remain there and ultimately the billionaires are exploiting those in poverty.

Dude that is the point I am making. A select few are profiteering at the expense of the others, even if their conditions have improved, it has not improved at the rate of the few.

No question. The gap between have and have not would be the widest in the world

 

[jadtiger]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

True, but I am pretty sure classical Marxist Communism intended to eradicate class by social standing and earnings. You shouldn't have a thousand billionaires in a communist society while there is still a peasantry.

There certainly is communist elements to the Chinese economy (i.e. ownership of the means of production,) but again the workers are meant to primarily benefit from that according to Marxist theory. If there's a bunch of rich dudes bouncing around off the back of that someone is taking more than their share, even if China has lifted half its population out of abject poverty in the last couple of decades. It is like an authoritarian crony capitalism.


100% cronyism. It’s nothing like Marxism but there are many forms of communism. China is obviously borne from Maoism but has strayed a long way. The CCP is basically the central organisation and the ones further up the party ladder benefiting. Yes millions have been dragged out of poverty but billions remain there and ultimately the billionaires are exploiting those in poverty.

Dude that is the point I am making. A select few are profiteering at the expense of the others, even if their conditions have improved, it has not improved at the rate of the few.

No question. The gap between have and have not would be the widest in the world

India/Brazil would be at least on a par probably worse

 

[jadtiger]

Police in Virginia have arrested a man armed with 2 handguns and over 500 rounds of ammunition who had fake accreditation for Bidens inaugeration.Trumps loonies are on the loose

 

[Tiger5150]

I do not have the answer as to why the world looks the other way when it comes to China, while obsessively scrutinising every event that takes place in the US.

It's the filthy lure of profit by international corporations and the unwillingness to take on the Chinese monster that has awoken.
The intention of bringing China into the international fold by trading with them and developing their economy was a good one but no government really realised that Chinese officialdom is extremely right-wing, nationalistic and still thinks like the Colonial powers did.
Having said that, I have worked with thousands of Chinese international students over many years. The majority are lovely people and they have become more internationalised over the years - initially you couldn't say anything critical of China but these days they are much more willing to be critical themsleves - they will hopefully one day bring real change to the way their government works.

China is communist in name only. Their brand of government is authoritarian capitalist.

Totally respectfully disagree with this. The CCP may act in a capitalist manner and certainly rule authoritatively but all of the means of production is 100% centrally owned by the government. Profits are collected for the collective, not individuals and individuals do not have access to capital

China is 100% communist albeit wrapped in a pretty bow

Why is there like a thousand billionaires there?

Who do the billionaires work for? Who owns that capital. Who owns the houses they live in China?

Communist does not mean everyone is equal or poor. It means that the means of production and capital is held and controlled centrally

True, but I am pretty sure classical Marxist Communism intended to eradicate class by social standing and earnings. You shouldn't have a thousand billionaires in a communist society while there is still a peasantry.

There certainly is communist elements to the Chinese economy (i.e. ownership of the means of production,) but again the workers are meant to primarily benefit from that according to Marxist theory. If there's a bunch of rich dudes bouncing around off the back of that someone is taking more than their share, even if China has lifted half its population out of abject poverty in the last couple of decades. It is like an authoritarian crony capitalism.


100% cronyism. It’s nothing like Marxism but there are many forms of communism. China is obviously borne from Maoism but has strayed a long way. The CCP is basically the central organisation and the ones further up the party ladder benefiting. Yes millions have been dragged out of poverty but billions remain there and ultimately the billionaires are exploiting those in poverty.

Dude that is the point I am making. A select few are profiteering at the expense of the others, even if their conditions have improved, it has not improved at the rate of the few.

No question. The gap between have and have not would be the widest in the world



India/Brazil would be at least on a par probably worse

Not sure. I would think comparable poverty without the comparable affluence?

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Police in Virginia have arrested a man armed with 2 handguns and over 500 rounds of ammunition who had fake accreditation for Bidens inaugeration.Trumps loonies are on the loose

Yeah there'll be some nutcase taking the law into their own hands on the day. There'll be feds galore around the Capitol.

 

[happy_tiger]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

 

[mike]

I’ve have seen reports that Rudy Giuliani is spruiking between $2M-$5M for a pardon by Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is reported to be ready to pardon up to 100 on his last day in office.

I have no verified sources but if true, BeJebus.

 

[happy_tiger]

Listened to Melania's press conference...does she even know Donny was President

Preaching Peace over Violence ......

 

[Jedi_Tiger]

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Every Republican now calling for unity is like the abusive husband who beats their wife for 4 years, and then, when he’s finally arrested, says, “Baby, if you don’t press charges we can make this work.”
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My thoughts on what is to come is that I would force the Republicans in the Senate to make a decision on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon. They either vote to obtain the two thirds majority and find the charge, even if at the minimum of 17 of their number voting for it to carry, else they will not put forward the motion to disqualify him from holding office.

That leaves the party to have to deal with further destruction by Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon and make no bones about it, he is now damaged goods, with him and his minions having gone way too far for many millions that voted for him two months ago. It is time for them to seal the divorce

If Republicans cross the floor on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon come the vote there will no longer be a Republican Party as we know it .. the party will be split down the middle and a new party formed . With Biden signing a new Trade deal with China early in his term and the prospect of millions of Americans losing there jobs get a nice comfortable chair as it is about to get Really exciting !

Good point Snake when Biden signs the trade deal with China game on it will really get interesting. Go woke go broke

 

[Tim Sheens]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

This when hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our fellow Australians, many of them children were tipped into poverty this past fortnight and a lot for the first time as the coronavirus supplement was again reduced.

Quite disgusting that our government is not forcing repayment of Jobkeeper monies that were claimed under false pretences by some of these corporations and especially so when they hounded people to death with their illegal Robodebt practices.

 

[happy_tiger]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

This when hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our fellow Australians, many of them children were tipped into poverty this past fortnight and a lot for the first time as the coronavirus supplement was again reduced.

Quite disgusting that our government is not forcing repayment of Jobkeeper monies that were claimed under false pretences by some of these corporations and especially so when they hounded people to death with their illegal Robodebt practices.

The Jobkeeper was a weird one ......if you lost 20% of your hours your were entitled .....I had one particular case of a person taking up studies at the same time it started and their hours decreased through lack of availability .....and they got Jobkeeper

Payroll had to track every person and their hours every week

 

[Tim Sheens]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

This when hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our fellow Australians, many of them children were tipped into poverty this past fortnight and a lot for the first time as the coronavirus supplement was again reduced.

Quite disgusting that our government is not forcing repayment of Jobkeeper monies that were claimed under false pretences by some of these corporations and especially so when they hounded people to death with their illegal Robodebt practices.

The Jobkeeper was a weird one ......if you lost 20% of your hours your were entitled .....I had one particular case of a person taking up studies at the same time it started and their hours decreased through lack of availability .....and they got Jobkeeper

Payroll had to track every person and their hours every week

I am not interested in prosecuting individual cases, nor those small businesses that misunderstood or miscalculated things, but the wholesale misuse/abuse of Jobkeeper monies needs some accountability found, both at corporate and ministerial levels.

As a country we have watched on as grants, water resources and other schemes have been increasingly and knowingly abused at both state and federal levels, simply becoming the norm. Even openly admitted in the case of Gladys, but we can no longer allow our politicians and corporates to operate in such manner with impunity. It has to stopped.

 

[happy_tiger]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

This when hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our fellow Australians, many of them children were tipped into poverty this past fortnight and a lot for the first time as the coronavirus supplement was again reduced.

Quite disgusting that our government is not forcing repayment of Jobkeeper monies that were claimed under false pretences by some of these corporations and especially so when they hounded people to death with their illegal Robodebt practices.

The Jobkeeper was a weird one ......if you lost 20% of your hours your were entitled .....I had one particular case of a person taking up studies at the same time it started and their hours decreased through lack of availability .....and they got Jobkeeper

Payroll had to track every person and their hours every week

I am not interested in prosecuting individual cases, nor those small businesses that misunderstood or miscalculated things, but the wholesale misuse/abuse of Jobkeeper monies needs some accountability found, both at corporate and ministerial levels.

As a country we have watched on as grants, water resources and other schemes have been increasingly and knowingly abused at both state and federal levels, simply becoming the norm. Even openly admitted in the case of Gladys, but we can no longer allow our politicians and corporates to operate in such manner with impunity. It has to stopped.

Lots of businesses suffered major downturns when Covid 1st started and then a month in it turned around ....

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Bit rich of our Govt ...don't you think

http://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/super-retail-group-returns-1-7m-from-jobkeeper-amid-calls-for-harvey-norman-to-follow-suit/ar-BB1cQv20?li=AAFsTE5&ocid=ASUDHP

This when hundreds and hundreds of thousands of our fellow Australians, many of them children were tipped into poverty this past fortnight and a lot for the first time as the coronavirus supplement was again reduced.

Quite disgusting that our government is not forcing repayment of Jobkeeper monies that were claimed under false pretences by some of these corporations and especially so when they hounded people to death with their illegal Robodebt practices.

The Jobkeeper was a weird one ......if you lost 20% of your hours your were entitled .....I had one particular case of a person taking up studies at the same time it started and their hours decreased through lack of availability .....and they got Jobkeeper

Payroll had to track every person and their hours every week

I am not interested in prosecuting individual cases, nor those small businesses that misunderstood or miscalculated things, but the wholesale misuse/abuse of Jobkeeper monies needs some accountability found, both at corporate and ministerial levels.

As a country we have watched on as grants, water resources and other schemes have been increasingly and knowingly abused at both state and federal levels, simply becoming the norm. Even openly admitted in the case of Gladys, but we can no longer allow our politicians and corporates to operate in such manner with impunity. It has to stopped.

Lots of businesses suffered major downturns when Covid 1st started and then a month in it turned around ....

Yeah the food industry did OK out of it Hap. A lot of others didn't.