Politics Super Thread - keep it all in here

[TrueTiger]

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying in your posts, THEY have to learn OUR way... Because WE know better
Right.
You often mention having koori footy mates that worked etc...
But then generalise all.indigenous with alcoholic slurs along with laziness greed etc
Comes across as quite racist to me

Read into it how you wish Ink,if you read what I said,the money they get or got would be better used in education,training etc...I can speak from first hand experiences over many years,our Indigenous people have a history of alcohol,drug ,petrol sniffing etc abuses..its not all as in many cultures but its been there...its not a slur its fact...
If you find you need to get on a pedastal to try and lower my opinion by all means do it ....that wont change the history or facts of the discussion..Im all for helping,giving lots of money indidvidually for what happened back in history well before our generations,wreaks of havoc...

 

[happy_tiger]

Australia Day ...a reason for many Australian to get pissed / stoned and act like total dimwits (wish I could them something else wits )

Something tells me that wasn't the reason to make it a public holiday

And it gets worse every year ....if that is the best way to celebrate Australia Day ...get rid of it .....

 

[Nelson]

Australia Day ...a reason for many Australian to get pissed / stoned and act like total dimwits (wish I could them something else wits )

Something tells me that wasn't the reason to make it a public holiday

And it gets worse every year ....if that is the best way to celebrate Australia Day ...get rid of it .....

I doubt it gets worse, you just get older, less tolerant and more cantankerous.

 

[jadtiger]

Australia Day ...a reason for many Australian to get pissed / stoned and act like total dimwits (wish I could them something else wits )

Something tells me that wasn't the reason to make it a public holiday

And it gets worse every year ....if that is the best way to celebrate Australia Day ...get rid of it .....

It is a fair re-enactment of what happened when the fleet landed,it is just that the history books gloss over that.That is one of the main differences between Australia and the USA when the yanks landed they praised god and had a prayer session,here the male convicts stole the grog had an orgy with the female convicts and the military formed a circle protecting the officials until it ran its course.

 

[happy_tiger]

Australia Day ...a reason for many Australian to get pissed / stoned and act like total dimwits (wish I could them something else wits )

Something tells me that wasn't the reason to make it a public holiday

And it gets worse every year ....if that is the best way to celebrate Australia Day ...get rid of it .....

I doubt it gets worse, you just get older, less tolerant and more cantankerous.

Probably Nelson ...that 17 year old in Brisbane clown who went on a drug fuelled rampage and killed that couple yesterday didn't help

Hope they stuck the mongrel in a 6 foot 300 pound paedaphile's cell last night and ignored the camera

 

[happy_tiger]

Australia Day ...a reason for many Australian to get pissed / stoned and act like total dimwits (wish I could them something else wits )

Something tells me that wasn't the reason to make it a public holiday

And it gets worse every year ....if that is the best way to celebrate Australia Day ...get rid of it .....



It is a fair re-enactment of what happened when the fleet landed,it is just that the history books gloss over that.That is one of the main differences between Australia and the USA when the yanks landed they praised god and had a prayer session,here the male convicts stole the grog had an orgy with the female convicts and the military formed a circle protecting the officials until it ran its course.

Ahhhhh sounds like a Bulldogs pre season game

 

[innsaneink]

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying in your posts, THEY have to learn OUR way... Because WE know better
Right.
You often mention having koori footy mates that worked etc...
But then generalise all.indigenous with alcoholic slurs along with laziness greed etc
Comes across as quite racist to me

Read into it how you wish Ink,if you read what I said,the money they get or got would be better used in education,training etc...I can speak from first hand experiences over many years,our Indigenous people have a history of alcohol,drug ,petrol sniffing etc abuses..its not all as in many cultures but its been there...its not a slur its fact...
If you find you need to get on a pedastal to try and lower my opinion by all means do it ....that wont change the history or facts of the discussion..Im all for helping,giving lots of money indidvidually for what happened back in history well before our generations,wreaks of havoc...

It's nothing personal. Dunno how I'm on a pedestal attempting to lower your opinion, I'm merely stating mine.. A couple appear to agree with me so maybe it's not just me?

 

[Tiger5150]

. My partner is Hungarian and the history of the oppression of her nation literally goes back almost a thousand years with only brief moments of freedom in between.

Yes the Magyar have had it as rough as anyone!

One of my favourite reads is James A Michener book The Bridge to Andau ...and is the story of the 1956 Hungarian Revolution of trying to break away from Russian rule ...amazing story .....a country who managed to blow up around 500 Russians Tanks with ingenuity and pure bravery .....

There is another good book, I think its called Blood in the Water about the 1956 Hungarian Water Polo Team that came to Australia for the Olympics.

The Hungarian Uprising against the Russians happened in 1956 before the team left Hungary. The Hungarians rose up and declared their independence. In response the Russians sent a smallish group of mostly reservists, undertrained, under resourced and under armed. As you say the determined and resourceful Hungarians smashed them and sent them back to Russia battered and bleeding.

Much rejoicing follows and the Hungarian Olympic team leaves for Australia believing they are representing a "free and independent" Hungary for the first time post war.

After they leave the Russians send the A team who mercilessly crush the Hungarian resistance and seriously abuse the locals badly.

After this Hungary & USSR play each other in the Olympic Water Polo semi final. In the book it says that the USSR government instructed the Water Polo team to play clean as a propaganda point. The Hungarians had the opposite strategy and bashed the Russians. Reportedly at half time the Russian coach told his team to forget the Government Instructions and to bash the Hungarians back. THe game was called off with 1 minute left on the clock and Hungary leading 4-0, , Hungary declared the winners.

Some of the team stayed in Aus as asylum seekers the majority returned home to defend their country with most of them facing persecution when they got home.

Horrible time for Hungary (in a long list of horrible times).

 

[TillLindemann]

Australia Day ...a reason for many Australian to get pissed / stoned and act like total dimwits (wish I could them something else wits )

Something tells me that wasn't the reason to make it a public holiday

And it gets worse every year ....if that is the best way to celebrate Australia Day ...get rid of it .....



It is a fair re-enactment of what happened when the fleet landed,it is just that the history books gloss over that.That is one of the main differences between Australia and the USA when the yanks landed they praised god and had a prayer session,here the male convicts stole the grog had an orgy with the female convicts and the military formed a circle protecting the officials until it ran its course.

Haha yes I've always loved that comparison.

 

[Tiger5150]

In the US Senate, 45 Senators just voted that the second impeachment of Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon is unconstitutional. 45 is short of a majority and so it wouldnt stop the impeachment process, but it does indicate that they are going to have a hard time getting the 2/3's required to convict.

Whilst I think Trumps behaviour in the last 6 months has been pretty disgraceful, I think the second impeachment is a bad idea. It is not going to get the result they want, it will put Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon back in the spotlight and give oxygen to his supporters by reinforcing the "Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon as a victim of the establishment" narrative..."They impeached him twice and couldnt convict".

 

[Curly_Tiger]

I believe the impeachment is designed to prevent Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon running again in 2024
I also don’t believe he will be running in 2024 regardless

 

[cochise]

I believe the impeachment is designed to prevent Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon running again in 2024
I also don’t believe he will be running in 2024 regardless

Yes, I believe it is possible to prevent him running again without a 2/3 majority and only requires a majority vote.

 

[TrueTiger]

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying in your posts, THEY have to learn OUR way... Because WE know better
Right.
You often mention having koori footy mates that worked etc...
But then generalise all.indigenous with alcoholic slurs along with laziness greed etc
Comes across as quite racist to me

Read into it how you wish Ink,if you read what I said,the money they get or got would be better used in education,training etc...I can speak from first hand experiences over many years,our Indigenous people have a history of alcohol,drug ,petrol sniffing etc abuses..its not all as in many cultures but its been there...its not a slur its fact...
If you find you need to get on a pedastal to try and lower my opinion by all means do it ....that wont change the history or facts of the discussion..Im all for helping,giving lots of money indidvidually for what happened back in history well before our generations,wreaks of havoc...

It's nothing personal. Dunno how I'm on a pedestal attempting to lower your opinion, I'm merely stating mine.. A couple appear to agree with me so maybe it's not just me?

Maybe its not just you,I really dont wish to argue a case that has been proved historically....you have your opinion so do others and I have mine.....

 

[hugh1954]

Its a 2/3rds Majority to impeach a president which would require 17 republicans to turn on Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon (not happening) Even if it was possible to do it as he is not a sitting President .more Pelosi vindictive political time wasting from her,she should be the one impeached but i believe she will probably get knifed from her own canibal,cancelling party as well as poor dumb Joe who doesnt have a clue

 

[innsaneink]

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying in your posts, THEY have to learn OUR way... Because WE know better
Right.
You often mention having koori footy mates that worked etc...
But then generalise all.indigenous with alcoholic slurs along with laziness greed etc
Comes across as quite racist to me

Read into it how you wish Ink,if you read what I said,the money they get or got would be better used in education,training etc...I can speak from first hand experiences over many years,our Indigenous people have a history of alcohol,drug ,petrol sniffing etc abuses..its not all as in many cultures but its been there...its not a slur its fact...
If you find you need to get on a pedastal to try and lower my opinion by all means do it ....that wont change the history or facts of the discussion..Im all for helping,giving lots of money indidvidually for what happened back in history well before our generations,wreaks of havoc...

It's nothing personal. Dunno how I'm on a pedestal attempting to lower your opinion, I'm merely stating mine.. A couple appear to agree with me so maybe it's not just me?

Maybe its not just you,I really dont wish to argue a case that has been proved historically....you have your opinion so do others and I have mine.....

Who's arguing? We're discussing.
Imo your historical facts are a societal issue not exclusively an indigenous one, there lies my point

 

[tigger]

I believe the impeachment is designed to prevent Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon running again in 2024
I also don’t believe he will be running in 2024 regardless

That's correct Cochise, but my understanding is that he has to first be convicted by 2/3 of the senate before that vote to prevent him from holding a federal office in the future cab be taken.

 

[tigger]

I believe the impeachment is designed to prevent Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon running again in 2024
I also don’t believe he will be running in 2024 regardless

That's correct Cochise, but my understanding is that he has to first be convicted by 2/3 of the senate before that vote to prevent him from holding a federal office in the future cab be taken.

Sorry, hit the wrong "quote" button when I was responding.

 

[TrueTiger]

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying

A speaker at the event, Gwenda Stanley, told a crowd of more than 500 people that it was time Indigenous Australians were given proper reparations.

***“A million dollars for each black person,” she said.***

“Don’t be fooled by the Uluru statement from the arse. Let’s do reparations before treaty. A million dollars for each black person and than we can talk treaty.”

https://www.news.com.au/national/australia-day-police-vow-crackdown-on-invasion-day-protests-across-the-country/news-story/7c1abc3c0672086fdeae0c57a6f0fc83

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I'm almost certainly going to be downvoted like my name's Ivan Cleary for saying this, but I don't think this is an entirely ridiculous sentiment.

We're talking about compensation for something that only happened three people or so ago (assuming people live to 80 years old).

And if we're being honest, Aboriginal people have only been recognised as Australian citizens since 1967 and were able to vote since the early 60s.

That's close to 200 years living under a system where you were effectively a second class citizen, in addition to a whole heaps of other pretty horrific things like the stolen generations.

It would be a nightmare to administer, a fair chunk would need to come from the Poms and you'd need to think about eligibility and the monetary amounts but I reckon there's a pretty strong case for some kind of reparations.

I wouldnt down vote your post mate your opinion is as good as anyone elses when searching for a solution....
NOW in my opinion,monetary gain should be given to Indigineous people carefully to spend on as someone else said,education,health,training for employment and other worthwhile training or trade competancy....
THe ONLY TRADE that would benefit her dumbass idea would be the liqour trade and that wont solve any of their problems,it would intensify them..lets face it, if more of the activists for Aboriginal people that want to crucify us for what happened to their ancestors got their way the indigenous people would be far worse off than their ancestors were,greed,unemployment,lazyness would all be at the top of the heap,instead if we educate and look after our Aboriginal family,maybe there will come a time a majority of them will see the sense in unification and brotherhood under the one flag and system....

just my rant for the day....I enjoyed working on our day AUSTRALIA DAY as I have always known it....

I think most see what you're saying in your posts, THEY have to learn OUR way... Because WE know better
Right.
You often mention having koori footy mates that worked etc...
But then generalise all.indigenous with alcoholic slurs along with laziness greed etc
Comes across as quite racist to me

Read into it how you wish Ink,if you read what I said,the money they get or got would be better used in education,training etc...I can speak from first hand experiences over many years,our Indigenous people have a history of alcohol,drug ,petrol sniffing etc abuses..its not all as in many cultures but its been there...its not a slur its fact...
If you find you need to get on a pedastal to try and lower my opinion by all means do it ....that wont change the history or facts of the discussion..Im all for helping,giving lots of money indidvidually for what happened back in history well before our generations,wreaks of havoc...

It's nothing personal. Dunno how I'm on a pedestal attempting to lower your opinion, I'm merely stating mine.. A couple appear to agree with me so maybe it's not just me?

Maybe its not just you,I really dont wish to argue a case that has been proved historically....you have your opinion so do others and I have mine.....

Who's arguing? We're discussing.
Imo your historical facts are a societal issue not exclusively an indigenous one, there lies my point

You are absolutely correct about this problem being a societal issue,however,I have always been for helping resolve issues in a manner that has good outcomes for either parties...I do not support just giving money to individuals as a solution to a problem that has been here for over 200 years...Im not racist,Im not ignorant and Im only a person that wants fairness for everybody...
We should be able to discuss this matter as we are,because only with proper sensible, dialogue will this ever reach the table for an eventual solution...
None of us has caused the issue,none of us can personally be held reponsible for what has happened,but we can all contribute to a solution,how we go about that is what will make a difference...

 

[Tiger5150]

I believe the impeachment is designed to prevent Trump, who is a convicted Rapist and Felon running again in 2024
I also don’t believe he will be running in 2024 regardless

Yes, I believe it is possible to prevent him running again without a 2/3 majority and only requires a majority vote.

Then why impeach?

 

[hugh1954]

Because Pelosi is a psychopath and still going on like a lunatic