Poor Crowd again!

[alexaki]

Love your us vs them attitude Alex.

Yeah was thinking the same thing! I thought we were all Wests Tigers supporters no matter where we lived. I'd imagine everyone who attends Leichhardt Oval, and all the away games, would want to attend Campbelltown games as well. I didn't realise we had 2 different streams of supporters :unamused:

For the record, I am a WT member and attend **all** WT home and many away games. I was at C'town last night and thoroughly enjoyed the win…

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Love your us vs them attitude Alex.

Yeah was thinking the same thing! I thought we were all Wests Tigers supporters no matter where we lived. I'd imagine everyone who attends Leichhardt Oval, and all the away games, would want to attend Campbelltown games as well. I didn't realise we had 2 different streams of supporters :unamused:

I've been saying this for God knows how long. ''oh we need to move on from the Balmain/Wests in-fighting'', yet turn around and alienate half the supporter base with divisive comments such as the OP. You just can't get through to some people that its WT's fans as a whole are the ones who need to take responsibility. Singling out minorities is really a step in the right direction :unamused:

 

[shane2801]

THey're playing like a bunch of $#%@!!! at the moment. That's why the crowd was smaller. Simple. I too wouldn't mind getting a Sunday game out there against a decent Sydney team for once. I'm sure the crowd would be 20k plus.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

To even suggest that they could ''pull up stumps in the west'' is a slap in the face to a good percentage of supporters. Just going to leave you with this question:

If Leichardt was only averaging around 13K (which it has in the past) and someone like Galahs suggested we pulled up stumps in inner-Sydney, how would have people reacted?

 

[Goose]

Again a storm in a tea cup, 12,500 on a saturday night is an average crowd for an average game….i dont think it is overly poor.

I rarely go to games on saturday nights, it is the last thing the missus wants to do on a saturday night and often we'll plan something else , go tothe pub to watch it or have people over, it is easier and I can only assume, there are many like me.

I dont know about everyone else, but it is get easier and easier to stay at home and watch the tv coverage. If it wasnt for NYC I reckon id only go to 1 or 3 games are year. As it is I go to prob 10 or 12 and whether I go depends on the convenience compared to my diary. The club cant do anything about getting me to go to more games, there must be 1000's like me.

At the moment, SFS has the highest average as we put all the Sydney block busters there (makes sense), and Leichhardt is having a romantic run at the moment, Gus and Channel 9 are talking it up and putting a heap of the leichhardt games on a sunday arvo, I dont expect it to continue forever.

 

[DrewPeacock]

Here we go again!
Was surprised when I got home from the game and checked the forum that there wasn't a thread like this started earlier.
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[Gary_Bakerloo]

As I posted earlier, I thought the crowd was average and fitting for a team gunning for four straight losses.

However **IF** there is the possibility of the Campbelltown area being disengaged, has the "less is more" strategy of our suburban home ground allocation run its course? Are fans tired of just having 4 games at LO and CS?

This strategy was put in place at the end of 2004 as the club's finances needed improving. Do we still need the revenue from the SFS? Can we go back to 6 & 6?

The club is very competitive on the field and has been in contention for the finals 6 out of the past 7 years. As long as performances on the field remain competitive, crowds across both grounds should average 15,000\. That should be sufficient for the club's finances.

 

[Mothermagpie]

I'm from Balmain, I got the train down, got a great seat and saw an awesome win. There was a great atmosphere, 95% of the crowd WT fans. Bloody cold though, no beer queues (woohoo!) but massive lineup for coffee! There is big support in the Macarthur. Up the Tiges…
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Oh so you were the one from Balmain

 

[system]

As I posted earlier, I thought the crowd was average and fitting for a team gunning for four straight losses.

However **IF** there is the possibility of the Campbelltown area being disengaged, has the "less is more" strategy of our suburban home ground allocation run its course? Are fans tired of just having 4 games at LO and CS?

This strategy was put in place at the end of 2004 as the club's finances needed improving. Do we still need the revenue from the SFS? Can we go back to 6 & 6?

The club is very competitive on the field and has been in contention for the finals 6 out of the past 7 years. As long as performances on the field remain competitive, crowds across both grounds should average 15,000\. That should be sufficient for the club's finances.

From my recollection of the figures it wouldn't do alot more than cover expenses for the most part.

It isn't great that we have to allocate the games across 3 grounds but financially it is imperative in my opinion and bigger picture it makes us open to draw from a bigger audience pool.

There needs to be research in place though to try and maximise our crowds across the board.

If it means using part of the buffer we gain from the SFS to reduce ticketing costs to our lower drawing fixtures scheduled at CSS I think it could be worth exploring

 

[tigers_girl]

The big crowd at sfs was mainly bulldogs supporters u cant compair numbers with tht crowd ! what do u expect against panthers on a freezing saturday night the crowd was all wests tigers there was about 100 panthers supporters would of been different on a sunday arvo and a team playing better against us! were all the ppl complaining at the game last night? Whats your excuse not being there then? Support your team wherever they are not just one stadium
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[RatedRKO]

.I really feel on a weather perfect Saturday night we should've gotten more people attend the game.

Any colder and it would have been snowing. I might have felt it worse being sick but I thought it was really freakin cold last night.

Melbourne got 10.6k and Canberra only managed 8.2k even after their recent winning streak, so it's not all that bad for us.

 

[galahs]

I would still like to see the figures on how much we actually make from the SFS vs LO vs CSS

If CSS or LO gets 12,000 people, say at a low estimated average of $10 a person… that equals $120,000
If we get 15,000 people that = $150,000
20,000 people = $200,000 etc etc

How much do we get from the SFS if we get:
- 12,000 people?
- 15,000 people?
- 20,000 people?
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[innsaneink]

Considering they get to choose who we play there, I'd say like it was at telstra, we get a flat fee regardless of the crowd.

Entertaining the sponsors is the big deal though in town

 

[system]

I think we get a percentage over the guaranteed rate if we pull over 20k.

I don't have updated costing structures now that no extra lighting needs to be bought in to the traditional homes.

 

[galahs]

I would be interested in seeing how much better a deal the SFS is.

I understand the corporate facilities are better at the SFS. But how much actual cold hard cash does that equal.
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And if we get over a certain sized crowd at CSS and LO, does the income ever exceed what we'd get for the same size crowd at the SFS.

As I understood from the original Tel$tra/ANZ Stadium deal…. it ensured that if we got a dismal crowd, we'd still get a set income.

I just wonder if there is a crowd figure, where it actually becomes more profitable to play the game at LO or CSS.

 

[system]

No idea.

I doubt anyone outside the two contracted parties will have that information or be allowed to disseminate it.

Financially it was a better deal than with Telstra Stadium so if you know those details you can probably hazard a guess.

WT do retain the corporate hosting rights though and the sheer number of boxes used is higher than our other two grounds combined

 

[tiger4ever]

Campbelltown Wests Tigers Fans are just not turning up to support the team…only 12,500 fans last night on the back of a disappointing attendance the last time the team played there. This despite the game being heavily promoted and many tickets given away.

I think the fans in the area need to make a stand whether they want the WT team to play out of Campbelltown or not....If these poor crowd figures continue I wouldn't blame the club if they pulled stumps from the west... :sign:

How many did you expect?

We average 14000 or so there….you want the club to dump the area because a few thousand DIDNT show up, yet 12500 DID.

Great logic.

Seriously,the club sees its a bit of a problem, but maybe the club just has to accept that in this day and age with the purse strings being tightened everywhere.....''luxuries'' get put aside with essentials getting preference, and anyone with half a clue knows Sydneys west & south west are doing it toughest.

Yes i think your right mate…the majority of people in the area are struggling like most of us are.Not a bad crowd there considering who we were playing and how bloody cold its been of a night.
how many people in the surrounding areas actually follow league?

 

[underdog]

Love your us vs them attitude Alex.

Yeah was thinking the same thing! I thought we were all Wests Tigers supporters no matter where we lived. I'd imagine everyone who attends Leichhardt Oval, and all the away games, would want to attend Campbelltown games as well. I didn't realise we had 2 different streams of supporters :unamused:

**I've been saying this for God knows how long. ''oh we need to move on from the Balmain/Wests in-fighting'', yet turn around and alienate half the supporter base with divisive comments such as the OP. You just can't get through to some people that its WT's fans as a whole are the ones who need to take responsibility. Singling out minorities is really a step in the right direction** :unamused:

This 100%

Its amazing - and saddening all in one.

ONE TEAM, THREE HOMES. GET OVER IT!!

If we were a REAL "Wests Tigers" team with 1 single joined identity - we would have been basing ourselves out of Skoda Stadium or something similar well before the GWS Giants came up with such a brilliant idea.

This is currently the best of a bad situation, only because of miscreants who simply can't let go of the past.

12,500 on a freezing night - Sounded like 30,000 - and gave the most vocal support to an under 20's game I have ever seen.

Can't tell me that Cambo doesn't like their footy.

 

[Tiger_Watto]

I would be interested in seeing how much better a deal the SFS is.

I understand the corporate facilities are better at the SFS. But how much actual cold hard cash does that equal.
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And if we get over a certain sized crowd at CSS and LO, does the income ever exceed what we'd get for the same size crowd at the SFS.

As I understood from the original Tel$tra/ANZ Stadium deal…. it ensured that if we got a dismal crowd, we'd still get a set income.

I just wonder if there is a crowd figure, where it actually becomes more profitable to play the game at LO or CSS.

Alot would depend on how the operating costs are allocated… Do we still pay for the basic facilities (ticket box, gate staff, security) at the SFS, or is this included in the deal?

Being in the know out CSS way, have you seen the actual costs to operate an NRL Game at CSS?

 

[tiger4ever]

i remember them saying one year if they get less then 15000 they barely make a profit but i think they were talking leichhardt for memory.And wasnt it 100 k to play at sfs regardless of crowd size

I dont have proof or anything i just remember it been discussed on either the radio or written in the paper.