Potential signings or giving the young guns a go?

[Tigersmurf]

I remember in late 02/03 hearing about this kid we pinched from under the noes of the Bronc's. I still remember emailing my mate to tell him that we might have secured a great prospect here. The player was Benji and before too long he was stepping around the knights in first grade.

I love watching the prospects come through. I watched Coedy Towney have a blinder a couple of years back and thought this kid could be anything. You win some and you lose some. Hoffman was probably the best we lost.

I get most excited when we have a kid on the bench who you haven't really seen play - like Lawrence in his first game. I was hanging to see the Jason Schirnack get on the field, but he hasn't really impressed me much.

I get a lot of satisfaction when I hear that we only have 6 players in our first grade squad that have played for other clubs. I would give the young guns a go any day of the week, and am disappointed Miller isn't starting. If he is good enough then give him a chance and get him out there.

 

[tigertye]

I think last night's game against Souths really showed just how much talent our young forwards have. Dwyer had a blinder and really stood up.

I think if we could get a big name player without the expense of losing the likes of Fifita, Woods, Dwyer, Murdoch-Masila, Moltz, Lui - That would be great, but if it came down to losing some of these great young players I don't think it would be worth it. A huge part of myself being a tigers fan is because of how we treat our own and provide them with opportunities and aren't a "bought" team, yet a "developed" one.

People are saying this is a business - this is true - however as a business the Tigers are doing very well and will continue to grow.. But if everyone looks at our RESULTS this club has produced recently because of the roster we already have, and who are only getting better, i can't see room to complain.

I'd love to see Graham or Blair at the club, but not to lose several players in return i don't think is the best move in my opinion.

 

[happy_tiger]

Happy tiger, I agree and disagree. Sure, it would be better if we brought up a team rather than bought a team. For one, it would be cheaper.

But, I look at results and performance. I'd rather buy a 3 yr old Ferrari than drive a brand new Yaris. Pat Richards, Whatuira, Elford and Hodgson - CRUCIAL elements to 2005.

I would tend to work it our this way: If we sign a player who has 2-4 good years left, could he make an impact like a young gun who has 7 years left? In the case of Blair, yes. Much bigger impact.

With all the kind of thinking/posting that goes on on this forum we might as well give Ellis back and give someone younger a go. According to your thinking Happy Tiger, members or 'fans' may be staying away because Gareth Ellis makes them unhappy because he is taking a junior's spot. As far as I'm concerned these aren't fans they are just trouble makers and can go stick it. Only a complete idiot would be unhappy with awesome purchases. If they aren't happy for whatever reason then stop following first grade and go support bush footy when all your mates play every week. Heads up about business: success breeds investors. In Rugby League excitement breeds fans. Lote Tuqiri is an attraction, not the other way round.

For crying out loud - 'Fans' on these forums would rather keep Lui over buying Thurston because Lui is a junior and is younger.
On other strands of these forums 'fans' are saying they wouldn't want K Hunt or Folau. Our 'fans' must be 5 yrs old as they haven't seen them play.

Frankly, reading through these pages is embarrassing.

Apologize for the rant, but I hope to hell that no-one from Tigers management ever checks these forums out or we would be stuck with a team of 18 yr olds.

When did I say not sign good players I get upset we seem to take chances on guys who are has beens or never will bes and injury pronr players . hodgson ( for those who don't know ) played for wests before going to Parramatta because Tommy did not like himSign the quality players and keep the good juniors I say

 

[spudoakes]

didnt hogson go to parra the year we merged and im pretty sure jr pearce was trying to get him to join us

 

[happy_tiger]

Yeah he did Spud but I can tell you the reason he left was he had no idea what was going on with merger but was told he was not wanted by Wests Can you believe that !!!!

 

[MightyMaggy]

I think last night's game against Souths really showed just how much talent our young forwards have. Dwyer had a blinder and really stood up.

I think if we could get a big name player without the expense of losing the likes of Fifita, Woods, Dwyer, Murdoch-Masila, Moltz, Lui - That would be great, but if it came down to losing some of these great young players I don't think it would be worth it. A huge part of myself being a tigers fan is because of how we treat our own and provide them with opportunities and aren't a "bought" team, yet a "developed" one.

People are saying this is a business - this is true - however as a business the Tigers are doing very well and will continue to grow.. But if everyone looks at our RESULTS this club has produced recently because of the roster we already have, and who are only getting better, i can't see room to complain.

I'd love to see Graham or Blair at the club, but not to lose several players in return i don't think is the best move in my opinion.

In running a successful business, things are never black or white, but a mixture of shades of grey.

If there was no salary cap, someone with sufficient money could buy a premiership team. This is not possible,because there IS a salary cap.

If a team was made up of young, inexperienced players, no matter how good they were, there would be times, when due to their inexperience, they would fail.
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Surely, the most successful team would come from a blend of both extremes. Isn't this what we have at the moment?

Experience comes from McKinnon, Tuqiri, Marshall, Payten, Ellis, Farah and Heighington. These experienced players will bring along the next crop of young players, so that they replace the experienced ones at a later date.

The Club has been very succesful at developing young players, why should this change dramatically?

 

[AmericanHistoryX]

just face reality folkes, you cant keep all your juniors and every team needs to buy players at some point. get real. its 2011\. its the survival of the species. look up charles darwin otherwise not a bad thread. its simple boy meets girl, players meets team. and what happens from that happens. look at the mastermind roy masters in my avatar - he went on to coach st.george - still a legend - shite happens.

 

[tigertye]

Bigsiro, you say some people wouldn't trade Lui for Thurston. That's probably because it couldn't happen, if it were as simple as a one for one trade then it would be an easy decision. If Blair or Graham came to the club more then one of the young blokes are gunna have to go, and i dont think its worth it as our results recently have been pretty damn good - one point from a GF last year, and pretty good results this year with the injuries we've had

 

[bigsiro]

Bigsiro, you say some people wouldn't trade Lui for Thurston. That's probably because it couldn't happen, if it were as simple as a one for one trade then it would be an easy decision. If Blair or Graham came to the club more then one of the young blokes are gunna have to go, and i dont think its worth it as our results recently have been pretty damn good - one point from a GF last year, and pretty good results this year with the injuries we've had

Titans were also one game away from the GF and they are about to sign Idris.
Canberra only lost to us by 2 points in the semi and they bought well for 2011.

Resting on your laurels is for losers and that's what we will be if we don't feature in the player market. 10 years ago we couldn't attract players and were jealous as hell when we lost out on signatures. Now that we can attract them why wouldn't we try?

 

[tigeress]

I would be dissapointed if we lose some of our 'young guns' I think we should spend our money to keep them, instead of spending it perhaps unwisely, on a seasoned player. The young guys are the future of our clubs, so we should hang on to them

 

[Spartan117]

In running a successful business, things are never black or white, but a mixture of shades of grey.

If there was no salary cap, someone with sufficient money could buy a premiership team. This is not possible,because there IS a salary cap.

How much does the salary cap count these days if clubs like the Broncos have 25 players on third party deals..

Technically there is no reason why we can bring in some guns and keep the youngsters as well.

there are a few Tigers due to move on at the end of the year anyway…

 

[t2010igers]

No way should we spend $500,000 on Blair if we are going to lose Fifita and Woods!!!! Fifita will become one of the best impact players running around. While Woods has the potential to be ANYTHING!!!! The kid is going to be a gun. We already have 2 of the best backrowers running around in Ellis and Heighno. Although we will lose Ellis in a few years that will be more than enough time to mould these young guns to replace himself and Payten. I just can't justify spending $500,000 a season on 1 forward!!!!

 

[happy_tiger]

Gee guys Blair is only 25 years and still has at least 7 good years ahead of him . We should be able to keep at least 2 of the 3 young guns imo . (Being BMM Woods and Fifita ) If you could do a straight swap for (ie Blair -BMM) I would jump at the chance to sign Blair . Just remember these guys look good at this stage . How many young gun!! forwards fall by the wayside when they get to grade as they can't cope week in week out grind of NRL .

 

[boonboon]

I think for getting Blair we will loose Payten and Fifita - Fifita not really because of the money but because he wants to be a starting prop and at the Tigers he is behind Gibbs and Galloway and we have a stack of young ;props in Woods, Roquia, Begovich and Groat - so we would have had to loose some

As for the general topic -I am happy if we get the best players we can for the money we have got - Sometimes I am happy for a young guy to leave if he gets the chance to play fulltime FG somewhere else that he wouldn't with us

Blair will be a great signing - makes our backrow even better, allows him to play some prop as well much like big Toddy does and 25 he has a lot longer left then Ellis and Hieghno so will be a great guide to BMM as he becomes a first grade star - it means a long term Backrow of Dwyer, Blair and BMM - setting us up not just for the next few years with Ellis and Hieghno but for 7 or 8 years ahead