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Luai contribution was the defining moment in that game to turn momentum into a win it was a great effort thank god we won his signature and he goes on to make the difference here.
RHS you are the one on this forum with the most common sense.
What is your honest opinion, if you were in Benji’s shoes would you be telling Galvin to take a back seat and let Luai being our dominant 1st receiver, would you be restricting one of them the left and the other to the right, or would you tell them to share the responsibility 50/50 let them both play eyes up rugby league what they are good at and combine together as often as possible ?
 
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If fit, who do you think gets the nod for the blues between Cleary, Moses and Luai difficult decision for me can't split them.
Moses - Cleary...
Unless Luai absolutely brains it and Moses dips or is hurt.

Who knows atm, Might be Moses and Luai again the way Cleary is going.
 
RHS

RHS you are the one on this forum with the most common sense.
What is your honest opinion, if you were in Benji’s shoes would you be telling Galvin to take a back seat and let Luai being our dominant 1st receiver, would you be restricting one of them the left and the other to the right, or would you tell them to share the responsibility 50/50 let them both play eyes up rugby league what they are good at and combine together as often as possible ?
Wow I seen you and Tuck going at this I think yesterday don't won't to be dragged into a civil war, but for mine Luai has won a blues series and is our dual captain I think he will have the best read on plays so should be calling it, think you need to keep some kind of structure with all of the new recruits for a while so left and right for now until the team gels and understand each over, if Benji has practiced this during the off season a switch of side for them would really confuse the opposition but down the track when the players know each other's game, then you could introduce the eyes up footy.
 
Wow I seen you and Tuck going at this I think yesterday don't won't to be dragged into a civil war, but for mine Luai has won a blues series and is our dual captain I think he will have the best read on plays so should be calling it, think you need to keep some kind of structure with all of the new recruits for a while so left and right for now until the team gels and understand each over, if Benji has practiced this during the off season a switch of side for them would really confuse the opposition but down the track when the players know each other's game, then you could introduce the eyes up footy.
Fair enough it will be interesting to see how it transpires, hopefully we see them both play on Friday night.
Regardless of how they go about it, it’s great to have 2 highly confident halves in the team and a 3rd one in Latu Fainu who can step in whenever required.
Our long kicking game will be interesting, hopefully there are plenty of kicks that find grass and not too many that go straight to the opposing wingers/fullback on the full
 
It’s not just Benji, most of the rugby league media which consist of former players and Phil Gould who knows a thing or two about the game all seem to think Galvin is doing great.
We seem to have a few experts on this forum who think otherwise and know better.
Experts... Ironic
 
would you be telling Galvin to take a back seat and let Luai being our dominant 1st receiver, would you be restricting one of them the left and the other to the right, or would you tell them to share the responsibility 50/50 let them both play eyes up rugby league what they are good at and combine together as often as possible ?

think you need to keep some kind of structure with all of the new recruits for a while so left and right for now until the team gels and understand each over, if Benji has practiced this during the off season a switch of side for them would really confuse the opposition but down the track when the players know each other's game, then you could introduce the eyes up footy.
I don't think anyone is arguing for a dominant first receiver but someone needs to be coordinating the attack. I also don't think anyone who understands the game is calling for either of them to be restricted to left and right attack either. What Galvin and Latu demonstrated on the weekend was that they didn't have the enabling stucture to play ad lib footy. The teams that do play effective ad lib footy (Penrith and Melbourne for Example) play ad lib within a structure. The runners know what lines they have to run and where to be when the Luai's and Munsters (and Galvins) of the game do their thing.

Galvin did some great stuff on Sunday but also got in the way and overplayed Latu on several occasions. The key, for Galvin, Latu, Luai and whover else is next man up is to have a system for when and how to support each other and play that eyes up footy. They have to know that they will hit Sam F or the Baby Giraffe running X line at Y position or where the cente will be. The easiest way to do this is by them sliding so that the relationship between them and their edge is maintained. The alternate is for them to sweep - Galvin is probably fit enough to do this - but is more of what a fullback does when chiming in to creat the extra man (as opposed to exploit a gap).

Latu and Galvin working together would have been much more effective than Galvin overcalling him and becoming first receiver too often. If we are thinking that Luai has to be first receiver to be the game manager we have rocks in our heads. The play will be a combination of what Api/TDS see, and what is called by Galvin and Luai from what they see in the middle third of the field. Once we get into the scoring zone - where we need to be more precise with how we are playing and Luai will step in and direct - Galvin still fits in around that and plays heads up footy but we have an orchestrated attack that is seeking to convert field position to points or at worst play for a repeat set or a handover 1m off the line and 1m in from touch.
 
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Fair enough it will be interesting to see how it transpires, hopefully we see them both play on Friday night.
Regardless of how they go about it, it’s great to have 2 highly confident halves in the team and a 3rd one in Latu Fainu who can step in whenever required.
Our long kicking game will be interesting, hopefully there are plenty of kicks that find grass and not too many that go straight to the opposing wingers/fullback on the full
Mentioned yesterday the long boot that Galvan displayed really pushed them deep good to see.
 
Do people seriously believe Luai won't be running the show. Even if Benji tells Galvin to back himself on the the field Luai will be calling the shots and if Galvin challenges that or oversteps I expect an on field dressing down.
 
People think because Galvin is everywhere that that’s a good thing . It’s fine if nothing is on , but when you’re running in front of players , over calling and have an erratic energy it spreads to the rest of the team .
It needs to be clinical. You can’t score off every play. Something Galvin needs to learn . The chess of the game .
I thought Fainu funnily was doing that. Cooper Cronk pointed it out , how Fainu looked like he was setting up his run with shuffling the ball on , then bang he steps inside and almost gets free.
it doesn’t have to be constant overloading and battering the defence .

Couldn't agree more
 
I don't think anyone is arguing for a dominant first receiver but someone needs to be coordinating the attack. I also don't think anyone who understands the game is calling for either of them to be restricted to left and right attack either. What Galvin and Latu demonstrated on the weekend was that they didn't have the enabling stucture to play ad lib footy. The teams that do play effective ad lib footy (Penrith and Melbourne for Example) play ad lib within a structure. The runners know what lines they have to run and where to be when the Luai's and Munsters (and Galvins) of the game do their thing.

Galvin did some great stuff on Sunday but also got in the way and overplayed Latu on several occasions. The key, for Galvin, Latu, Luai and whover else is next man up is to have a system for when and how to support each other and play that eyes up footy. They have to know that they will hit Sam F or the Baby Giraffe running X line at Y position or where the cente will be. The easiest way to do this is by them sliding so that the relationship between them and their edge is maintained. The alternate is for them to sweep - Galvin is probably fit enough to do this - but is more of what a fullback does when chiming in to creat the extra man (as opposed to exploit a gap).

Latu and Galvin working together would have been much more effective than Galvin overcalling him and becoming first receiver too often. If we are thinking that Luai has to be first receiver to be the game manager we have rocks in our heads. The play will be a combination of what Api/TDS see, and what is called by Galvin and Luai from what they see in the middle third of the field. Once we get into the scoring zone - where we need to be more precise with how we are playing and Luai will step in and direct - Galvin still fits in around that and plays heads up footy but we have an orchestrated attack that is seeking to convert field position to points or at worst play for a repeat set or a handover 1m off the line and 1m in from touch.
Don't disagree with any points you have said storm have that in their DNA for a long time now, but the early games for us will need some kind of structure with all the new faces before we can attempt any storm like plays or some of the players will be standing there like deer's in the headlights, I could be wrong this might be all sorted at training already let's see what transpires next trial.
 
Latu is beginning to sound like Brookes 2?
Not a controlling half, no authority or voice; but great defender.
Lets persist and blame those around him. The forwards not winning the middle, the 5/8 over calling him etc.
We can teach him all those deficiencies over the next 10 years. NO THANKS!
I'm beginning to think left centre not a bad option to start him.

Only thing is Latu isn't a 7. He may have worn 7 on Sunday but the kid is a 5/8. He is smeone who picks his moment off the back of a good halfback controlling things. It's like playing Brett Kenny at halfback and then criticising him for not controlling the game.
 
Only thing is Latu isn't a 7. He may have worn 7 on Sunday but the kid is a 5/8. He is smeone who picks his moment off the back of a good halfback controlling things. It's like playing Brett Kenny at halfback and then criticising him for not controlling the game.
So who is next man up when Luai is injured or off playing SOO. Latu for mine is not the 14 for FG; he needs time in cup to develop but if he is not a 7 let's not make the same mistake we did with Brooks. If he is the next man up for Galvin who is next man up for Luai? If we are doing it right Latu shouldn't be both.
 
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So who is next man up when Luai is injured or off playing SOO. Latu for mine is not the 14 for FG; he needs time in cup to develop but if he is not a 7 let's not make the same mistake we did with Brooks. If he is the next man up for Galvin who is next man up for Luai? If we are doing it right Latu cshouldn't be both.
Interesting point about when Luai is out Jolls, a real dilemma as to who stands up at 7 guess it comes down to whoever at the time is showing they are up for it, but they will be big shoes to fill.
 
Interesting point about when Luai is out Jolls, a real dilemma as to who stands up at 7 guess it comes down to whoever at the time is showing they are up for it, but they will be big shoes to fill.
I think it’s a no brainer that if either Luai or Galvin are out, Latu Fainu comes in to play 6 and either Luai or Galvin play 7.
As Jolis just mentioned, we don’t want to make the same mistake we did with Brooks and try and turn Latu into a 7 when he’s an out and out 6.
Luai and Galvin are much more versatile and can easily play 7 or 6.
 
I think it’s a no brainer that if either Luai or Galvin are out, Latu Fainu comes in to play 6 and either Luai or Galvin play 7.
As Jolis just mentioned, we don’t want to make the same mistake we did with Brooks and try and turn Latu into a 7 when he’s an out and out 6.
Luai and Galvin are much more versatile and can easily play 7 or 6.
I think the real issue here is having Latu develop in the position he will play as the next man up. Talent wise he is the next man up in the halves but most of what I have heard over the pre-season is that he is pencilled in as either the 14 for FG (a traversty for his development in my eyes) or is the 7 in KoE.

My preference is that he plays in KoE, but in the postion he is best developed. If that is as a 5/8 we can't afford to stifle his development by trying to make him a 7. If that is the case who will he play outside in cup to prepare him for that role? I'm happy for Lachie to shift to bring Latu up if that is the best option for the club but based on Sunday's game Benji sees him as a 7.
 
I think the real issue here is having Latu develop in the position he will play as the next man up. Talent wise he is the next man up in the halves but most of what I have heard over the pre-season is that he is pencilled in as either the 14 for FG (a traversty for his development in my eyes) or is the 7 in KoE.

My preference is that he plays in KoE, but in the postion he is best developed. If that is as a 5/8 we can't afford to stifle his development by trying to make him a 7. If that is the case who will he play outside in cup to prepare him for that role? I'm happy for Lachie to shift to bring Latu up if that is the best option for the club but based on Sunday's game Benji sees him as a 7.
May be the reason why the club signed Kurt Falls to a NSW Cup deal, for an experienced head to play 1st receiver as Latu develops.
 
May be the reason why the club signed Kurt Falls to a NSW Cup deal, for an experienced head to play 1st receiver as Latu develops.
That is what I was thinking but if he is going to be playing half in FG that is where he should be developed. It will be interesting to see what path we take with him.
 
That is what I was thinking but if he is going to be playing half in FG that is where he should be developed. It will be interesting to see what path we take with him.
That's my point earlier. IMO Latu is not a half!!!! A Brookes 2.
He has no voice to direct play, too timid, too quiet, or no confidence ATM. Whatever it is?
Not a "Game Manager".
More of a play what's in front of him type skills. He is is a 5/8. As is Brookes!
5/8 is KOE, or possible centre?
 
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