Qld / NSW bushfires

@formerguest
I no longer really have my finger on the pulse, I'm only giving a pretty dated perspective.
Nowadays I'm pretty sure all states manage fire using the same emergency planning and coordination system (I can't remember what it's called). This is so that everybody involved knows how an incident (like fire) will be managed and coordinated from start to finish.
When an incident is first identified the local people (eg Nat Parks, Forestry, Brigade etc) will be responsible for first response if its on their patch. If it grows, then an already developed Incident management plan will be engaged and responsibility for the incident will be passed up the line to an incident controller who I think these days is usually a state brigade firey but could also be someone in Police. In my day whoever was the first controller on the incident remained as the primary controller but after some of the big Sydney fires, I think it was Phil Koperberg, changed it to what it is now.
The Incident Controller's first job is to set up an incident response team (from people identified in the plan) which includes things like ground coordination and comms support, a WHS officer, media liaison, Liaison for brigades and government bodies, expert advisors etc. The Incident control center can get pretty big.
The reason I'm referring to an incident rather than a fire is the response plan could be activated by something like a chemical spill as well. It could also result from multiple incidents like a major fire burning onto a fuel or chemical storage area so the relevant expertise has to become involved. Pretty much any incident where multiple organisations are required to respond and the coordination of those parties is required.
I would be interested to see how the incident plans for theses fires in NSW and QLD are being implemented, and see the structures emplaced. I'm not sure I'd want to be in the Incident control room though.
 
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078390) said:
If I’m correct I believe the RFS handle hazard reduction management. So if it was not done it was because the RFS believed that the 2018 HRM was sufficient, they didn’t have the resources, or the resources were directed to other areas where HRM had to be prioritised.

RFS are the lead agency for fire in NSW. National Parks does somewhere in the order of 75-80% of the total hazard reduction burns in area across the state each year. National parks tend to do a lot of big remote hazard reductions. The rfs and fire And rescue brigades tend to look after the smaller but complex urban interface hazard reduction works. The thing with hazard reduction burns is that it’s extremely weather dependent. Too wet, you can’t burn, too dry it’s too dangerous to burn. And there are also now restrictions on burning that might endure heavy smoke impacts on urban areas (a current state government policy). All of this has nothing to do with federal agencies or the greens in any way shape or form.

By the by. Back burning is a term generally used for when firefighters light up a burn to burn back into a wildfire to stop the progress of a wildfire. Hazard reduction burns is the term used for planned burns for fuel reduction.
 
@shakey4d said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078636) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078390) said:
If I’m correct I believe the RFS handle hazard reduction management. So if it was not done it was because the RFS believed that the 2018 HRM was sufficient, they didn’t have the resources, or the resources were directed to other areas where HRM had to be prioritised.

RFS are the lead agency for fire in NSW. National Parks does somewhere in the order of 75-80% of the total hazard reduction burns in area across the state each year. National parks tend to do a lot of big remote hazard reductions. The rfs and fire And rescue brigades tend to look after the smaller but complex urban interface hazard reduction works. The thing with hazard reduction burns is that it’s extremely weather dependent. Too wet, you can’t burn, too dry it’s too dangerous to burn. And there are also now restrictions on burning that might endure heavy smoke impacts on urban areas (a current state government policy). All of this has nothing to do with federal agencies or the greens in any way shape or form.

By the by. Back burning is a term generally used for when firefighters light up a burn to burn back into a wildfire to stop the progress of a wildfire. Hazard reduction burns is the term used for planned burns for fuel reduction.

Thanks for that Shakey. Cheers mate. ?
 
@NT_Tiger said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078454) said:
@happy_tiger I'm sorry for the loss of your mate. It sounds like he lived life big though.

Yeah he was actually the 1st Australian to long jump 27 feet , got billeted to stay with NZ athletic legend Peter Snell and loved a beer or 40

Throw in he was related to bushranger Captain Moonlite
 
@shakey4d said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078636) said:
@Cultured_Bogan said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078390) said:
If I’m correct I believe the RFS handle hazard reduction management. So if it was not done it was because the RFS believed that the 2018 HRM was sufficient, they didn’t have the resources, or the resources were directed to other areas where HRM had to be prioritised.

RFS are the lead agency for fire in NSW. National Parks does somewhere in the order of 75-80% of the total hazard reduction burns in area across the state each year. National parks tend to do a lot of big remote hazard reductions. The rfs and fire And rescue brigades tend to look after the smaller but complex urban interface hazard reduction works. The thing with hazard reduction burns is that it’s extremely weather dependent. Too wet, you can’t burn, too dry it’s too dangerous to burn. And there are also now restrictions on burning that might endure heavy smoke impacts on urban areas (a current state government policy). All of this has nothing to do with federal agencies or the greens in any way shape or form.

By the by. Back burning is a term generally used for when firefighters light up a burn to burn back into a wildfire to stop the progress of a wildfire. Hazard reduction burns is the term used for planned burns for fuel reduction.

And we ask the same questions up here for not just fire season but cyclone season .....next time you drive anywhere on highways in CQ look at the overhanging gum trees that have branches thicker than my torso that not only become massive fire hazards if the cut the highway with fires but you get a half decent cyclone come through and rescue crews spend all day getting to people in need because they have to spend the day opening the highway
 
Headed off to get tyres fitted on my car yesterday, on the way spotted a small fire that was burning just behind the school where both my sons attend and my wife works, it looked like it only just started.

Called my wife to let her know or ask if she already knew about it, she didn't.
On the way back home had to drive back through there and by this time the fire had increased in size (wind was ridiculous) and was heading towards the road I was on (luckily away from the school) had to drive through some thick smoke but it was only about 50m and I was out of it.
Firies were everywhere, traffic management on standby and local news etc.

I got home and called my wife again, she said they'd sent msgs out for parents to collect their children, they'd also closed the road off (must have closed it just after I went through) causing traffic chaos around the school because of only one way in and out.
My wife was taking phone calls from parents non stop while dealing with 45 children (that's not a class size, she's the coordinator of afterschool care) and also a staff member who was having an asthma attack, so she had a pretty hectic afternoon.

Luckily the wind direction pushed the fire into an open grassed area and they could contain it.
This was just one of many spot fires that sprung up yesterday on the Sunshine Coast.

Just thought I'd share my little adventure, mine wasn't even a close call compared to others out there, stay safe.
 
@TIGER said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078694) said:
Headed off to get tyres fitted on my car yesterday, on the way spotted a small fire that was burning just behind the school where both my sons attend and my wife works, it looked like it only just started.

Called my wife to let her know or ask if she already knew about it, she didn't.
On the way back home had to drive back through there and by this time the fire had increased in size (wind was ridiculous) and was heading towards the road I was on (luckily away from the school) had to drive through some thick smoke but it was only about 50m and I was out of it.
Firies were everywhere, traffic management on standby and local news etc.

I got home and called my wife again, she said they'd sent msgs out for parents to collect their children, they'd also closed the road off (must have closed it just after I went through) causing traffic chaos around the school because of only one way in and out.
My wife was taking phone calls from parents non stop while dealing with 45 children (that's not a class size, she's the coordinator of afterschool care) and also a staff member who was having an asthma attack, so she had a pretty hectic afternoon.

Luckily the wind direction pushed the fire into an open grassed area and they could contain it.
This was just one of many spot fires that sprung up yesterday on the Sunshine Coast.

Just thought I'd share my little adventure, mine wasn't even a close call compared to others out there, stay safe.

Thats an incredible story mate (not in a good way), thanks for sharing. Hope you & your loved ones stay safe!
 
Annoying they had a bit of serious rain probably about 50 km away on the northern side Fraser Island from Noosa North Shore

Hopefully the bit of rain heading our way sees itself up to Cobraball Yeppoon area
 
My dad's farm is in the path of a massive fire currently in the upper Macdonald area. No one is down there but my dad's worried about the living sheds all the same.
 
@swag_tiger said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1079247) said:
My dad's farm in in the path of a massive fire currently in the upper Macdonald area. No one is down there but my dad's worried about the living sheds all the same.

Hope that it misses your property, but as long as there are no livestock, everything else can be repaired or rebuilt.
 
@swag_tiger said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1079247) said:
My dad's farm in in the path of a massive fire currently in the upper Macdonald area. No one is down there but my dad's worried about the living sheds all the same.

fingers crossed for your family mate
 
The fire fighters now say that the fire with miss Perry's crossing but they will still do back burns around the area.
 
@happy_tiger said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078699) said:
Is it just me or is the amount of schools in Qld built on the back of open scrublands / forests etc unreal

Yes, most are. My former local high school regularly has a hazard reduction burn, as well as the deliberately lit ones to contend with.
 
Some interesting thoughts on this thread. It's also good to see respectful debate.

Stay safe everyone.
 
@coivtny said in [Qld / NSW bushfires](/post/1078221) said:
@formerguest Are you kidding? Local government has the most harmful impact on the activities of those involved in fire prevention activities. You'd have to be the village idiot to think local government isn't dominated in some areas e.g Blue Mountains by greens and environmentalists. If you're going tfire back at least be accurate,

I live in Lake Cathie - local govt here is basically LNP - our town was scorched - greens didn't have anything to do with it.
 
@diedpretty Same here, our local government does a good job with prescription burning. I know some of the blokes out there doing it and it all sounds very well considered. The greens have nothing to do with it either pro or anti. That is just LNP spin.
 
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