Qld / NSW bushfires

[NT_Tiger]

@Cultured_Bogan I'm pretty sure Blue Mountains NP is a state administered Park. It would have its own fire management plans shared cooperatively with local brigades.
Feds only have Kakadu, Uluru, Jervis Bay, and Christmas and Cocos Ids.
But you're right, councils wouldn't have much, if any, say.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan I'm pretty sure Blue Mountains NP is a state administered Park.
Feds only have Kakadu, Uluru, Jervis Bay, and Christmas and Cocos Ids.

Yeah not sure what the reach is. Like I said happy to be corrected. If it is state administered than surely they would have to approve HRM on their administered land?

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Cultured_Bogan Yes they would have to approve HRM on their land.
Included in the planning process for HR burns there is extensive consultation with local brigades and boundary landholders as well as potentially affected local councils.
There is a huge amount of work involved in writing a fire prescription for even a small HR burn in NSW Nat Parks. At least that's my experience, as I have written some.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

@Cultured_Bogan Yes they would have to approve HRM on their land.
Included in the planning process for HR burns there is extensive consultation with local brigades and boundary landholders as well as potentially affected local councils.
There is a huge amount of work involved in writing a fire prescription for even a small HR burn in NSW Nat Parks. At least that's my experience, as I have written some.

Ah OK, so local council still has a heavy hand in it?

 

[trentrunciman]

@GNR4LIFE Morrison and McCormack are both in denial. I wonder what incentives they have for that?
Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

lol that's a pretty extreme comparison perhaps more of a brutus

 

[GNR4LIFE]

@GNR4LIFE Morrison and McCormack are both in denial. I wonder what incentives they have for that?
Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

lol that's a pretty extreme comparison perhaps more of a brutus

Not extreme at all. The comparison is how both deflect saying they don't want to ''politicize'' a disaster .

 

[trentrunciman]

@GNR4LIFE Morrison and McCormack are both in denial. I wonder what incentives they have for that?
Nero fiddled while Rome burned.

lol that's a pretty extreme comparison perhaps more of a brutus

Not extreme at all. The comparison is how both deflect saying they don't want to ''politicize'' a disaster .

i don't think Morrison is a homosexual or married his sister...the only relation here is the burning of rome...but let's not digress here mate- Everyone is trying their best to diffuse these fires.

 

[rustycage]

The Greens are simply an easy target. Never mind the facts. I think at times they go a little too far with certain things, but in the main, they're probably the most sensible lot out there all things considered.

 

[Tim Sheens]

Today will be one of the hardest days in nsw fire finding history. It will be a hug relief if we come away without heavy loss today. I hope everyone has been taking the strong messaging and will not put themselves in harms way today. There will be no stopping fires that take hold today.

I hope not and that the day unfolds in their favour. My thoughts are with all those fighting and affected by them today as it is on every other occasions.

For those that don't think that this is the time to bring up the climate change issue, please let us know just when it should, as I remember seeing forecasts for what we are seeing now back in the seventies and later discussing such with the wonderful teacher that taught us in sixth class back in 1977. It was that long ago that I am pretty sure that it was broadcast in black & white and was probably modelled on a computer the size of an average house, that had about a hundredth of the processing power of a cheap modern phone.

No more bitching about developing countries increasing their emissions as so many of their people are getting electricity for the first time and crap like that, when under our current stewardship chock full of untruths, our very rich nation is again increasing our output since dismantling a working scheme still in it's infancy. For those that don't want to do anything, fine, do nothing, but move out of the way and let others do what they can to at least try and secure a reasonable future for our children.

 

[momo_amp_medo]

Its terrible what nature brings us sometimes!

 

[trentrunciman]

wear a mask out there today esp people with asthma

 

[NT_Tiger]

@Cultured_Bogan No I don't think they have a heavy hand in plans at all, at least not back when I was doing them. It was more of a courtesy type of thing, and to seek use of resources, graders etc if necessary. The main liaison was with other dept's like forestry and with local brigades.

 

[TJ21]

Thoughts are with everyone today, stay safe people!!

 

[Tim Sheens]

@coivtny

Mate there's backburning going on in the Blue Mountains all the time. We get haze coming down from the mountains on a regular basis due to backburning.

These mythical Greens banning backburning don't actually exist.

We can't talk about neanderthals who think climate change is a big conspiracy because that's getting 'political', but we can blame 'greenies' for imaginary things that have never actually happened.

I did actually look at the Greens NSW policy on backburning and it's actually pretty sensible. Nowhere does it say that backburning and hazard reduction shouldn't take place to protect assets and they acknowledge it is important for certain plant species for burning to take place. Not sure whether that is reflected at local or federal level but at state level at the very least they have a pretty reasonable policy. They do not oppose bushfire management strategies, and even engage with the Indigenous as they have 40,000 years experience with bush management.

Also fairly similar to the Green or 'environmentalists' influenced local governments policies that I have seen. This is what really annoys me when those that are influenced by the shock jocks and/or Murdoch media types, or worse still, conservative politicians, beause they are basically encouraged by falsehoods to attack persons when they have no knowledge of their actual policy.

 

[happy_tiger]

@Cultured_Bogan No I don't think they have a heavy hand in plans at all, at least not back when I was doing them. It was more of a courtesy type of thing, and to seek use of resources, graders etc if necessary. The main liaison was with other dept's like forestry and with local brigades.

Back in early to mid 80's the Forestry rangers were sent to help in the fire fighting

A close friend of family was the chief ranger at Brisbane Forest Park and he was sent to the Ash Wednesday fires in SA

 

[NT_Tiger]

@happy_tiger A few years back some of the top firies where I worked were put on standby to fly to California to help with the big fires there. We were all packed and ready but didn't end up getting the call up.
There is a great level of cooperation within Australia for assisting with fires in other states and it is needed. The people in local crews can only keep going for so long without a break and it can be exhausting work for both those on the front line and those in coordinating roles.
I once ran a coms center on my own for three separate fires. Two in Kosciuszko NP and one on the NSW South coast. That included; all phone coms, including faxes, all radio coms including Forestry, Parks and Brigade ground crews and Aerial coms. That was fun.
Like I said in another post, that mob deserve all the accolades they get.

 

[rustycage]

I can't recall where I heard just the other day - On radio or tele. that the government was warned some months back that this was going to happen this season due to the terrible state of the bush. They WERE warned. They also dismissed those warnings and the so called "nutters" that provided them. That smug bugger in charge of the crap show in Canberra loves to console devastated people on camera, but he's pretty transparent. Same with the drought affected. He has no interest. It's pretty sad that people with power are so consumed with things that don't really matter.

 

[happy_tiger]

@happy_tiger A few years back some of the top firies where I worked were put on standby to fly to California to help with the big fires there. We were all packed and ready but didn't end up getting the call up.
There is a great level of cooperation within Australia for assisting with fires in other states and it is needed. The people in local crews can only keep going for so long without a break and it can be exhausting work for both those on the front line and those in coordinating roles.
I once ran a coms center on my own for three separate fires. Two in Kosciuszko NP and one on the NSW South coast. That included; all phone coms, including faxes, all radio coms including Forestry, Parks and Brigade ground crews and Aerial coms. That was fun.
Like I said in another post, that mob deserve all the accolades they get.

Yeah he said it was just off the map when he compared it to a controlled burn off and the fires in the Adelaide Hills region

Sad memories , he just passed away 5 weeks ago on Sunday

Ironically enough we actually met during the 1974 floods ..they lived near the mouth of the Bremer River where it meets the Brisbane River and to look out from a bank that must be 30 metre high and see full length gum trees stuck in the gum trees across on the island in front of their house

For those who know the area , you can see the Moggill Ferry from the Island

 

[NT_Tiger]

@happy_tiger I'm sorry for the loss of your mate. It sounds like he lived life big though.

 

[Tim Sheens]

@happy_tiger A few years back some of the top firies where I worked were put on standby to fly to California to help with the big fires there. We were all packed and ready but didn't end up getting the call up.
There is a great level of cooperation within Australia for assisting with fires in other states and it is needed. The people in local crews can only keep going for so long without a break and it can be exhausting work for both those on the front line and those in coordinating roles.
I once ran a coms center on my own for three separate fires. Two in Kosciuszko NP and one on the NSW South coast. That included; all phone coms, including faxes, all radio coms including Forestry, Parks and Brigade ground crews and Aerial coms. That was fun.
Like I said in another post, that mob deserve all the accolades they get.

Great that you can provide the front line and operations factual viewpoint on here as it may have some affect on the thoughts of some, as to the reality of who controls what at ground and legislative levels. I didn't cop too much vitriol when I challenged outrageous claims with facts earlier, as they are easily verified nowadays, but hopefully your experience carries more weight in trying to inform others amongst us on here.

One only needs to plant the seeds of thought to encourage change and feel that some without closed minds can grow their thinking in the current circumstances, and your standing will help. Of course, what we need is leadership rather than slogans, but we can do our best as individuals in the meantime to affect change.