Re-Branding of Leagues Clubs SMH

[Gary_Bakerloo]

This is really not a story about anything, it is designed to stir factions within the club and to destabilize.

I disagree. This club has no members and hence the board does not have to report anything. At least we have someone telling us fans what has occurred in the negotiations with the NRL. The club is effectively getting an advance on its NRL grants so as a fan, I would like to know the strings that are attached. This article displays an example of an unsuccessful concession requested by the NRL.

If you think this article is destabilising, then so be it. He is just reporting what has occurred behind closed doors and you would think that anything in this article is not new to the parties involved.

I think the NRL will be pushing us to secure Campbelltown. The Telegraph (yes, a poor source) has ruled Wests Tigers out as a contender for relocation, despite our apparent financial issues, as the NRL wants to secure "the corridor to Campbelltown."

 

[Abraham]

From a purely business perspective I find it incredibly short sighted that to date neither Ashfield or Campbeltown have rebranded themselves as Wests Tigers.

To market themselves as the Leagues Clubs which are aligned to the hugely popular NRL brand would likely mean greater memberships and patronage from a much wider market, while not impacting at all on their current revenue streams.

I don't see why the NRL would need to direct them this way, when they probably should have already moved in that direction of their own volition.

 

[barra]

From a purely business perspective I find it incredibly short sighted that to date neither Ashfield or Campbeltown have rebranded themselves as Wests Tigers.

To market themselves as the Leagues Clubs which are aligned to the hugely popular NRL brand would likely mean greater memberships and patronage from a much wider market, while not impacting at all on their current revenue streams.

I don't see why the NRL would need to direct them this way, when they probably should have already moved in that direction of their own volition.

As previously mentioned it is just not necessary for Ashfield. And remember Ashfield is the original heartland of Western Suburbs Magpies and Western Suburbs Cricket Team. It is what it is.

On the other hand I can understand the advantages of re-badging Campbelltown and it makes sense to me - this is a club linked to the relocation of Western Suburbs Magpies which could be seen as a precendent… Good luck with convincing everyone concerned though!

 

[Abraham]

From a purely business perspective I find it incredibly short sighted that to date neither Ashfield or Campbeltown have rebranded themselves as Wests Tigers.

To market themselves as the Leagues Clubs which are aligned to the hugely popular NRL brand would likely mean greater memberships and patronage from a much wider market, while not impacting at all on their current revenue streams.

I don't see why the NRL would need to direct them this way, when they probably should have already moved in that direction of their own volition.

As previously mentioned it is just not necessary for Ashfield. And remember Ashfield is the original heartland of Western Suburbs Magpies and Western Suburbs Cricket Team. It is what it is.

On the other hand I can understand the advantages of re-badging Campbelltown and it makes sense to me - this is a club linked to the relocation of Western Suburbs Magpies which could be seen as a precendent… Good luck with convincing everyone concerned though!

With no proper Balmain Tigers leagues club, this is an opportunity for either Ashfield or Cambo (or both) to take advantage of that void. I am not a local of either and therefore not a member, however if there was a Wests Tigers Leagues Club anywhere in Sydney I would join tomorrow because that's 'my club'.

Agreed that Ashfield does not need to change anything as they are doing fine as it is, but potentially expanded revenue streams, in addition to being 'the leagues club' of the Wests Tigers, is not something to be scoffed at by any business. As they say, make hey while the sun shines.

 

[Yossarian]

Ah good old Roy… I hope he gets a good seat down at the old Fossils meetings...

Anyway with regards to his opening "gem" I really doubt the people going into Ashfield to deposit the rent money into the pokies really care what animal is on the roof or what name is on the front... The rest I kind of skimmed through.

 

[wtfl1981]

Technically Wests Campbelltown no longer have anything to do with Wests Tigers or Wests Magpies (except for sponsoring Wests Junior League).

Ashfield is the big financially backer of WT and WSM have the most contemporary link to WT. From a football perspective they are not really interested in making it their core business.

Constitutionally Ashfield are obliged to support WT & WSM and thats all they (sometimes reluctantly) do.

Re-Branding is a benefit for WT rather than the leagues club (brand awareness).

I think leave Ashfield as Magpie branded and perhaps re-brand Campbelltown (despite no longer linked to WT) as Wests Tigers.

- Big logo on wall of club (seen on tv)
- they dont have any branding at moment (only magpie you will find is on the sleeve of a WT jersey in the bar)
- WT leagues club can become a cultural home of WT without cutting traditions to inner west which will still retain other leagues clubs.

WT leagues Campbelltown is a smart move if they can convince WLC voting members to change it

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[Sabre]

If they were to rebrand would they necessarily have to use the wests tigers logo. Perhaps they could use a shield style logo that has a tiger and a magpie. That could be a solution for keeping everybody happy.

 

[cktiger]

Ahhhh…. what a disgrace Roy has become.
Geez , we are often just referred to as the 'Tigers'.
Might that be because we ARE the Tigers , as Penrith are simply referred to as the Panthers etc.
Hold on a minute - the odd naughty person mistakingly calls us Balmain , like that naughty Ray Warren referred to us as 'Western Suburbs' during the heritage match this year.
And , of course , everybody is always prancing around dressed in orange!
Would have been a nice touch if Roy could have named who wanted to rebrand the clubs - which he conveniently skipped over.
Being famous only for face slapping it's about time he delivered a few hard slaps on himself to wake up.

 

[LaT]

If they were to rebrand would they necessarily have to use the wests tigers logo. Perhaps they could use a shield style logo that has a tiger and a magpie. That could be a solution for keeping everybody happy.

There is no solution for keeping everyone happy though.

For those with magpie in their forum username, this club is always going to be known as Wests Tigers + Magpies.

Any real, fake or perceived omission of the Magpie connection from those outside of Wests Tigers is automatically the fault of Wests Tigers.

Apparently its fine for Magpies to attempt to take control now as they are the financial superiors, but it would have been wrong for Balmain to do the same back when this club was founded ~15 years ago.

Any sympathy I ever had for these people is practically gone. Wests Tigers was founded, for me thats the end of it. Lets face it, we will only have to put up with the Magpie faithful for a few more years…..

 

[2041]

Anyway with regards to his opening "gem" I really doubt the people going into Ashfield to deposit the rent money into the pokies really care what animal is on the roof or what name is on the front… The rest I kind of skimmed through.

This.

 

[balmain boy]

Should the Leagues clubs be forced to adopt the WT brand? No, of course not, and this was never implied anywhere.

Should they do it of their own accord, yes most probably. It will either have no impact or a positive impact.

I'd guess over half the people who frequent Wests Ashfield wouldn't know what a rugby league is, nevermind the WS Magpies!

Maybe a couple of fossils will care, but is that where their money is coming from? I'd take an educated guess and say no.

WT will never leave Sydney. Sharks and Roosters would be first on the chopping blocks for any mergers/relocations.

 

[jirskyr]

It is a yawn that old fossil Roy pipes up when we are moving in a different direction from the old structure. A guy who actually couldn't give two craps about the Wests Tigers and has taken up permanent residence next to Craig Bellamy's colon.

I could tell it was a Masters creaky gate whinge piece within a paragraph, without any identification. He never posts anything helpful or constructive or ground breaking when referring to Wests, only innuendo and vague suggestions.

 

[Black_n_White]

What a tribe of blowhards…

Think about it, the rebranding of the clubs would mean royalties to the owner of the brand. The only entity to really profit from the exercise would be the Wests Tigers FC due to increased revenue from licencing deals, the clubs will hardly, if at all gain an increase of revenue because of it, neverlone recoup the cost of royalties.

I do not disagree that it would be great for the Football club, but it would be almost insane business practice to even entertain the notion for both Ashfield and Campelltown.

And LAT, its your prerogative to snipe at us Magpies... a few years left eh, bet we outlive you Tasmanian I mean Balmain Tigers.

 

[LaT]

Hold on, I never snipe at Magpies…..I snipe at YOU and those like YOU on this forum because of your attitude, scoffing at attempts of unity, perceived victim hood, and general inability to move on.

You need to accept that this is not a club of Wests Tigers + Magpies.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

If they were to rebrand would they necessarily have to use the wests tigers logo. Perhaps they could use a shield style logo that has a tiger and a magpie. That could be a solution for keeping everybody happy.

There is no solution for keeping everyone happy though.

**For those with magpie in their forum username, this club is always going to be known as Wests Tigers + Magpies.**

Any real, fake or perceived omission of the Magpie connection from those outside of Wests Tigers is automatically the fault of Wests Tigers.

Apparently its fine for Magpies to attempt to take control now as they are the financial superiors, but it would have been wrong for Balmain to do the same back when this club was founded ~15 years ago.

Any sympathy I ever had for these people is practically gone. **Wests Tigers was founded, for me thats the end of it.** Lets face it, we will only have to put up with the Magpie faithful for a few more years…..

What a dumb, biased comment. What about all those who have the word ''Balmain'' in their username, do the same rules apply? Its comments like this that show your true colours, you're just as much of a dinosaur as those you criticize

You say WT's were founded and for you that was the end of it, yet here you are constantly caught up in these arguments. Doesn't come across like its the end of it for you

On topic, not sure what obligation WC would be under to re-brand themselves now that they no longer provide any funding.

 

[system]

There is no obligation.

It is however an interesting opportunity

 

[Abraham]

Membership is an important aspect of any club, be it a bowling club, an rsl, or a leagues club. Patrons are more likely to provide repeat business if they are members.

So I think it would be a great opportunity for all of our Leagues Clubs to be branded as Wests Tigers, as it would draw in more members and therefore more $$$.

They are under no obligation to do so, but it would be a smart business decision, as well as a unifying move for the JV.

 

[innsaneink]

Making our future shouldnt come at the expense of erasing our past

If its really necessary…build a proper WTs leagues club.

Funny Im sure I thought people were saying the leagues club model was outdated, and these same people are arguing for it here

 

[LaT]

If they were to rebrand would they necessarily have to use the wests tigers logo. Perhaps they could use a shield style logo that has a tiger and a magpie. That could be a solution for keeping everybody happy.

There is no solution for keeping everyone happy though.

**For those with magpie in their forum username, this club is always going to be known as Wests Tigers + Magpies.**

Any real, fake or perceived omission of the Magpie connection from those outside of Wests Tigers is automatically the fault of Wests Tigers.

Apparently its fine for Magpies to attempt to take control now as they are the financial superiors, but it would have been wrong for Balmain to do the same back when this club was founded ~15 years ago.

Any sympathy I ever had for these people is practically gone. **Wests Tigers was founded, for me thats the end of it.** Lets face it, we will only have to put up with the Magpie faithful for a few more years…..

What a dumb, biased comment. What about all those who have the word ''Balmain'' in their username, do the same rules apply? Its comments like this that show your true colours, you're just as much of a dinosaur as those you criticize

You say WT's were founded and for you that was the end of it, yet here you are constantly caught up in these arguments. Doesn't come across like its the end of it for you

On topic, not sure what obligation WC would be under to re-brand themselves now that they no longer provide any funding.

I agree, I did generalise unnecessarily. Apologies.

As for commenting on these issues? I tend to disagree strongly with people who seek to use one only side of the JV for their own personal issues, so I engage as one tends to do on a comment driven social media site such as this.

I mean really, you don't seem adverse to posting in threads that don't interest you purely to give a "meh who cares" type response. But don't get me wrong, its perfectly fine to do that.

For me there is only one club now, but that doesn't mean I should be barred or not allowed to post in these sorts of discussions.

If everything was reversed and we had a Balmain discussion about this, I'd be just as upset.

 

[Magpie_Magic]

If they were to rebrand would they necessarily have to use the wests tigers logo. Perhaps they could use a shield style logo that has a tiger and a magpie. That could be a solution for keeping everybody happy.

There is no solution for keeping everyone happy though.

For those with magpie in their forum username, this club is always going to be known as Wests Tigers + Magpies.

Any real, fake or perceived omission of the Magpie connection from those outside of Wests Tigers is automatically the fault of Wests Tigers.

Apparently its fine for Magpies to attempt to take control now as they are the financial superiors, but it would have been wrong for Balmain to do the same back when this club was founded ~15 years ago.

Any sympathy I ever had for these people is practically gone. Wests Tigers was founded, for me thats the end of it. Lets face it, we will only have to put up with the Magpie faithful for a few more years…..

I actually don't want Wests to take control the idea was mentioned by Wests as a short term measure to prevent outside interference in our club.
In the early days Wests still contrbuted in th JV and returned to full funding. Sadly Balmain may never contribute again financially.
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I would be happy to see Wests Ashfield renamed Wests Tigers but the club believe that a move like this would lead to a total loss of the Wests heritage whilst if Balmain re badged their club the many believe that Balmain would not lose as much. Thats why work must be done with the way the club is portrayed.

I wouldn't bother with your other nonsense.
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As for smegs saying our ground deal at anz helps us yes it is a good one that the nrl would want that gives me some comfort.