Recruitment

[avocadoontoast]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

 

[Guest]


🔥🔥🔥

One of the rare players who played all his best football with us after coming from another club.
I remember thinking he was very average at the Broncos.
I was very very very wrong. He was the reason we won a premiership. Such an underrated superstar of the game.

 

[4jtigers]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

apologies too mate - I can be annoying at times - I will blame @hobbo1 (the mod in training) I find him funny at times as he will just come up with something so totally out there with his posts, specially when these three are having a go at each other ( @happy_tiger, @Geo and @hobbo1)

 

[weststigerman]

This is how bad we are going with recruitment. I can tell you TPJ’S manager is very very close with a high Wests Tigers member and we still couldn’t get the signing done. This has officially confirmed that we are really struggling to bring high profile players to the club

Didn't you create a thread a couple of weeks ago saying we're good hands? This one: https://weststigersforum.com/topic/32648/good-hands?_=1626840374908

Do you have split personalities?

 

[avocadoontoast]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

apologies too mate - I can be annoying at times - I will blame @hobbo1 (the mod in training) I find him funny at times as he will just come up with something so totally out there with his posts, specially when these three are having a go at each other ( @happy_tiger, @Geo and @hobbo1)

Don't worry 95% of the forum find me annoying.

 

[hobbo1]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

apologies too mate - I can be annoying at times - I will blame @hobbo1 (the mod in training) I find him funny at times as he will just come up with something so totally out there with his posts, specially when these three are having a go at each other ( @happy_tiger, @Geo and @hobbo1)

Don't worry 95% of the forum find me annoying.

Stay on topic the both of you please

 

[TillLindemann]

This is how bad we are going with recruitment. I can tell you TPJ’S manager is very very close with a high Wests Tigers member and we still couldn’t get the signing done. This has officially confirmed that we are really struggling to bring high profile players to the club

Didn't you create a thread a couple of weeks ago saying we're good hands? This one: https://weststigersforum.com/topic/32648/good-hands?_=1626840374908

Do you have split personalities?

I actually thought Imback and Iwasright were the same person, but I see them arguing with each other today.

 

[Geo]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

apologies too mate - I can be annoying at times - I will blame @hobbo1 (the mod in training) I find him funny at times as he will just come up with something so totally out there with his posts, specially when these three are having a go at each other ( @happy_tiger, @Geo and @hobbo1)

Don't worry 95% of the forum find me annoying.

Stay on topic the both of you please

Wot we do now...?

 

[TYGA]

This is how bad we are going with recruitment. I can tell you TPJ’S manager is very very close with a high Wests Tigers member and we still couldn’t get the signing done. This has officially confirmed that we are really struggling to bring high profile players to the club

I think it confirms we are being strict with the cap. I know the dogs paid more than their first offer to get it done. They have board elections they had to build a squad quick. It has positives and negatives if they get it right they will improve drastically. We have shown we can’t so being prudent is the best way for us.

We need to make some moves that are positive though but like we have with Luciano, Laurie, Blore, Utoikamanu. It’s the only way

 

[hobbo1]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

apologies too mate - I can be annoying at times - I will blame @hobbo1 (the mod in training) I find him funny at times as he will just come up with something so totally out there with his posts, specially when these three are having a go at each other ( @happy_tiger, @Geo and @hobbo1)

Don't worry 95% of the forum find me annoying.

Stay on topic the both of you please

Wot we do now...?

Beer o’clock

 

[PJ_]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

 

[Spacecub]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

You summed it up in your third paragraph players don't want to come here with Maguire as coach....the word gets around quickly in this game

 

[Aceshigh]

I agree we should throw our hat into the ring for Paul Vaughan and even if we don’t get him the dogs can pay overs for him

 

[cochise]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

 

[cochise]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

You summed it up in your third paragraph players don't want to come here with Maguire as coach....the word gets around quickly in this game

That wasn't the issue with TPJ

 

[PJ_]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

 

[cochise]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.

 

[4jtigers]

Given the fact that we are missing out on any player we target who as any kind of alternative offer means one of a number of possibilities:

1. Our valuations are not realistic. It's all very noble saying we won't pay overs but any player is worth what a given club is willing to pay him.

2. The people negotiating the contracts are doing a terrible job of selling the club. This can't be ignored when a club like the Bulldogs who have won a handful of games in the past three years are seen as a more attractive destination than us.

3. Players don't want to play for the coach. Again this is something which needs to be considered but Trent Barrett is hardly the next Craig Bellamy so I'm not sure why he would be a more attractive coach to work under than Madge.

Regardless of any of the above this is something the club can't ignore and the Tigers management can't shrug their shoulders and say oh well, on to the next one. This is a critical issue now which is seriously affecting our future prospects of success and if it's not being looked at closely by the club then the cycle of failure in these types of negotiations is likely to continue.

go replace Adam Hartigan then if you know better

You'll need to point me to the part where I said I know better.

I'm asking questions which I believe the club should be asking too.

Don't worry, there are people on here that think the club can do **know wrong**. You'd think we were minor premiers the way people go on here. Your questions were relevant and should be asked.

this is funny - "no wrong" lol

Seriously the best you can do is pick me up for a typo? That is the extent of your debating ability?

who said I was debating with you? geez my intelligence is not that good as most of you guys here... I just love reading the posts that everyone does put in (sometimes it can be so frustrating coz it is so negative but that is part and parcel of the forum), I know I will not win - a bit silly of me to debate with you mate, I've seen your posts and love reading most of it but I did notice you don't concede that you've lost the argument most times - end of story

Sorry I thought you were having a dig at me mate, my bad lol

apologies too mate - I can be annoying at times - I will blame @hobbo1 (the mod in training) I find him funny at times as he will just come up with something so totally out there with his posts, specially when these three are having a go at each other ( @happy_tiger, @Geo and @hobbo1)

Don't worry 95% of the forum find me annoying.

Stay on topic the both of you please

hahaha - you got me :joy:

 

[Harvey]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

I don't really see the alternative though, I don't think the way the bulldogs is attacking it is going to lead to long term success and think they will be in the hole again in a couple of years.

I disagree to some extent. To get around the salary cap and succeed, you need:
- a solid core of first graders on standard money. Even better if they are on unders to stay with their mates and achieve success
- a small group of star players that add the spark, and produce performances that help everyone else in the side produce their best football
- a group of youngsters that you are exposing to first grade to see where they fit in
- when the first group start wanting to be paid in line with the 2nd, you move them on and replace them with the 3rd
- if the 3rd group do not show the required talent, you move them on and get new youngsters

Problems start to come when you need to pay players in the first group the equivalent of money in the 2nd group. We have fallen into this trap, see Packer, Mbye Reynolds etc

We do not have either of the first 2 groups. Our core first graders are either not up to it (Garner, JTJ etc) or massively overpaid (Brooks, Doueihi, Nofa). We don't have a single marquee player and are throwing under prepared kids to the wolves in a poor side.

 

[TigerWest]

I'm spewin we missed TPJ and Mitchell too.

How do change this?
Where is the main issue that's holding us back from landing a big name?
Is Sheens going to help change perception like gus to the dogs?

Playing finals football 3 times in 21 years.

Yeah I know this...but TPJ knew this and still negotiated with us...seemed close to
signing too...Is there another factor atm stopping us landing a big name?

Honestly, I think that is the biggest problem.

What do you reckon is our biggest hurdle mate?

I really do believe it is our history as a club, 3 finals in 21 years is difficult to sell. Especially to the modern day player, a lot of young people today want instant gratification so it is difficult to find established players who are willing to go in for the long haul of maybe not playing finals for a couple of years.

I really do believe our best way out is to attack the best juniors from across the country, have the pathway systems to build those players into quality NRL players. To do this we need to attract the best 100-150 game players to the club that we can attract to support the youngsters coming through.

We're going to lose a lot of fans with these long term goals. We seem to consistently be playing catch up. Hopefully when we create a sustainable system of continued success, we are ahead of the others, not neck and neck. It's a very saturated market and we need to be so much better than our neighbours

The way I am seeing it atm, is we have had a decade of no success, yet our club and membership are going gang busters, I don’t think it will be that long before the NRL side start to be a consistent side, if we were this year for example, we would comfortably be in 6th or 7th on the ladder and we wouldn’t be discussing this. It will come, but the date is a bit blurry??

Edit: BTW, have we conceded that we won’t make the 8 this year?