@Mccarry said:My perspective on the new point you raised (which I think is contribution to society) is look at not for profit organisations and do the analysis on weighting Christian vs non Christian. It is taboo to say it but a lot of selfless good comes from those of faith. That said those doing the selfless good are still inherently flawed. We all are. It's a truth no sane person can deny.
The only thing of contention is do humans get do determine how good is good enough or did God come down and tell us.
Is it selfless when someone is following a faith-based imperative?
Why is the proposition that everyone is inherently flawed an undeniable truth? It assumes that there is an ideal that everyone is failing to live up to. What defines that ideal? It seems like it's a construct of faith. So outside of your faith, why is that an undeniable truth?