Resign Kyle Lovett? Are you kidding.

[mctiger]

Stats only tell half the story. There are so many different definitions of things like missed tackles that you can only compare stats from the same source for one. That's why nrl and fox stats are often quite different. He never dominates tackles, often is a 3rd man in, he allows too many fast play the balls, he doesn't make many metres per hit up, and never gets a quick play the ball. He's also frequently caught horribly out of position, to the extent it doesn't even count as a missed tackle.

As a minimum wage squaddie ok, nothing more, but as a cheap local backup he's ok.

If nrl.com had shown the missed tackles I wouldn't have needed to source elsewhere but putting that aside he's still leading tackles for the club against the same measure used for all players. Imagine how good he will be when he isn't "horribly out of position"…..

 

[Tigersmurf]

Developing a player is not like buying a car, as in what you get at the start is not the best it is going to be! Kyle is young and needs an opportunity to develop and improve. I am not sure why people expect that he will walk into First Grade and just be a complete player. We are allowed to wait for Brooks and Moses to mature, but if a forward doesn't show promise in his first season he is washed up….

He is a maturing boy playing a mans game in one of the most aggressive competitions in the world. It is a credit to him the progress he has made, and the club obviously sees potential for that to continue.

 

[Pawsandclaws]

Geez some on here are tough,Lovett is in his first nrl season and is only a kid himself…he is a good worker and tries his best...some of the highly paid in this team dont get through the same work rate as he does and everyone wants to get rid of him...

I bet he isnt on between 400/600k a year like some,but still puts in to the best of his ability..thrown in early because of lack of depth....yep lets crucify him for doing the best he can....fair dinkum....

One of the best posts I have read. Lovett with his work ethic will succeed

 

[bigsiro]

Geez some on here are tough,Lovett is in his first nrl season and is only a kid himself…he is a good worker and tries his best...some of the highly paid in this team dont get through the same work rate as he does and everyone wants to get rid of him...

I bet he isnt on between 400/600k a year like some,but still puts in to the best of his ability..thrown in early because of lack of depth....yep lets crucify him for doing the best he can....fair dinkum....

As long as he tries his best…. Are you kidding me?

That's all good and well but trying his best isn't the issue.

No ones criticising Lovett per se. We are criticising the club for re signing him.

Let's not confuse the two.

He is a hard worker no doubt. But so am I. Working hard is therefore not meant to be the measure off the calibre of player we sign.

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[bigsiro]

Not sure why people complain about Lovett. He's the prototypical type of player all clubs down the bottom of the ladder have. He gets a bung rap imo. He puts in work rate was. He puts in a lot more than a couple of others.

Huh? You are saying that only a bottom club would sign him and that this is meant to persuade us that it is good that WE re signed him?

Have I misunderstood?

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[TrueTiger]

Geez some on here are tough,Lovett is in his first nrl season and is only a kid himself…he is a good worker and tries his best...some of the highly paid in this team dont get through the same work rate as he does and everyone wants to get rid of him...

I bet he isnt on between 400/600k a year like some,but still puts in to the best of his ability..thrown in early because of lack of depth....yep lets crucify him for doing the best he can....fair dinkum....

As long as he tries his best…. Are you kidding me?

That's all good and well but trying his best isn't the issue.

No ones criticising Lovett per se. We are criticising the club for re signing him.

Let's not confuse the two.

He is a hard worker no doubt. But so am I. Working hard is therefore not meant to be the measure off the calibre of player we sign.

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Remember our salary cap issues…....makes him affordable....so what your saying is,pay top dollar for someone with a big name and not worry about him working hard every game..only when he feels like it because he has a big price tag...yep just keep putting a young guy that does his best down because he isn't a seasoned big paid NRL player.....Adam Blair comes to mind...

 

[pHyR3]

Not sure why people complain about Lovett. He's the prototypical type of player all clubs down the bottom of the ladder have. He gets a bung rap imo. He puts in work rate was. He puts in a lot more than a couple of others.

Couldnt agree more.

He is just a role player, playing a role.

Pretty good work rate, not much impact, but doesnt get dominated all that often, makes mistakes occasionally sure.

He is not terrible, he is just not great, most sides carry a player or 2 like him in their squads.

precisely. look at corey parker and mannering. obviously theyre a couple levels up from lovett. but if he keeps progressing over the next few years, just building consistency he could be a similar type of player.

good workrate, makes his tackles every week. some solid runs and has a handy offload in him. like say fulton in his prime.

he was tackling up near 98%+ after 1 or 2 hundred tackles earlier in the season. he knows how to tackle, he'll only get better and his workrate in D is also good. attack could use improvement but its not like hes getting pushed back every run or anything.

 

[Ed_Reschs]

I cannot believe we are going to resign Kyle Lovett. Does taylor watch the same games i do. lovett has continued to show he is no way up to NRL standard. I can count atleast 6 games this year were he has missed a simple 1 on 1 tackle that has lead to tries. he has no force in any of his tackles, he seems to just try to rap his arms around players like his giving them a cuddle. He's attack is even worse. Has this club forgotten what a backrowers job is. I seriously cant believe the players we have let go and now they want to keep this bloke. ITS A JOKE. He wouldnt make my local Agrade team. No wonder we havent got money to buy real forwards. I GIVE UP. :deadhorse:

I just got some stats off NRL.com and then got the missed tackles stats from the Wests Tigers site to do some comparisons.

Lovett has made the most tackles for the Tigers this year on 632 (Farah is 570 and Sue 550). He averages 33 per game which is second to Farah 41 and Woods on 31\. He is 14th for the Tigers for missed tackles with 21 (Farah 22, Woods 21) and has the second best % for missed tackles against tackles made (Ava is best with Tedesco and Nofa the worst).

Lovett is 6th on the Hitup list.

Personally I don't think that is a bad effort and could see why the club would want him around. Perhaps not a star but every club needs a worker…..

http://www.nrl.com/telstrapremiership/playerprofiles/weststigersplayerlist/tabid/10833/clubid/15/default.aspx

How about stats on missed tackles that result in a try. Not a first grader.

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[GNR4LIFE]

Not sure why people complain about Lovett. He's the prototypical type of player all clubs down the bottom of the ladder have. He gets a bung rap imo. He puts in work rate was. He puts in a lot more than a couple of others.

Huh? You are saying that only a bottom club would sign him and that this is meant to persuade us that it is good that WE re signed him?

Have I misunderstood?

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I think you have.

I was saying that when you are in the position we are in, you'll have plodders like him. Especially when we don't have the cap space to sign anyone with more experience.

 

[mctiger]

I cannot believe we are going to resign Kyle Lovett. Does taylor watch the same games i do. lovett has continued to show he is no way up to NRL standard. I can count atleast 6 games this year were he has missed a simple 1 on 1 tackle that has lead to tries. he has no force in any of his tackles, he seems to just try to rap his arms around players like his giving them a cuddle. He's attack is even worse. Has this club forgotten what a backrowers job is. I seriously cant believe the players we have let go and now they want to keep this bloke. ITS A JOKE. He wouldnt make my local Agrade team. No wonder we havent got money to buy real forwards. I GIVE UP. :deadhorse:

I just got some stats off NRL.com and then got the missed tackles stats from the Wests Tigers site to do some comparisons.

Lovett has made the most tackles for the Tigers this year on 632 (Farah is 570 and Sue 550). He averages 33 per game which is second to Farah 41 and Woods on 31\. He is 14th for the Tigers for missed tackles with 21 (Farah 22, Woods 21) and has the second best % for missed tackles against tackles made (Ava is best with Tedesco and Nofa the worst).

Lovett is 6th on the Hitup list.

Personally I don't think that is a bad effort and could see why the club would want him around. Perhaps not a star but every club needs a worker…..

http://www.nrl.com/telstrapremiership/playerprofiles/weststigersplayerlist/tabid/10833/clubid/15/default.aspx

How about stats on missed tackles that result in a try. Not a first grader.

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Yes, how about them. Feel free to share…..

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[Geo]

How about stats on missed tackles that result in a try. Not a first grader.

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Lovett has missed 5 that have led directly to TRIES …Woods has missed 4 that led directly to TRIES and Farah 4 that led directly to TRIES...your point?

It's a team game....at 22 not busting the bank with more improvement in him with a season of FG behind him re-signing Lovett is better than another fringe numpty...

 

[bigsiro]

Not sure why people complain about Lovett. He's the prototypical type of player all clubs down the bottom of the ladder have. He gets a bung rap imo. He puts in work rate was. He puts in a lot more than a couple of others.

Huh? You are saying that only a bottom club would sign him and that this is meant to persuade us that it is good that WE re signed him?

Have I misunderstood?

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I think you have.

I was saying that when you are in the position we are in, you'll have plodders like him. Especially when we don't have the cap space to sign anyone with more experience.

Fair enough. Just hope you don't feel the same way about buchanan.

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[andrew 474]

He will be cheap and does most of what is expected of him
He will be better for his experience this year next year
Could be a young smokey just ready to break new barriers
I would keep him

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Not sure why people complain about Lovett. He's the prototypical type of player all clubs down the bottom of the ladder have. He gets a bung rap imo. He puts in work rate was. He puts in a lot more than a couple of others.

Huh? You are saying that only a bottom club would sign him and that this is meant to persuade us that it is good that WE re signed him?

Have I misunderstood?

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I think you have.

I was saying that when you are in the position we are in, you'll have plodders like him. Especially when we don't have the cap space to sign anyone with more experience.

Fair enough. Just hope you don't feel the same way about buchanan.

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Same probably goes for him to. I mean we're down the bottom for a reason, and we only have limited resources. There's not much that can be done.

 

[bigsiro]

GNR- Despite my own thoughts I was on board with your justification for Lovett. But if you can justify Buchanan in the same way then that reasoning doesn't fly for me.

Us fans should demand more. And I won't believe for a millisecond that there is no better option than Buchanan.

You have been on these forums for ages and are obviously a long time passionate fan, so accepting your rationale is a sad indictment on our team and our fans.

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[Guest]

Are you people serious about kyle lovett. Do any of you guys watch the games. He doesnt tackle. Leaning on players after someone else grabs them is not a tackle. How many one on one tackles does he make. and how many one on one misses does he have , more than any other forward in the comp. Have you ever heard the referee call out dominant after one of his tackles. Im sick of people getting on here and defending him. Using your arms only without any force is not the way a forward should tackle. You guys are completly blind. There is no way he is up to NRL standard. With forwards like that get used to the tigers finishing at the bottom for many years to come. :brick:

I think you're taking this a bit too seriously. I'm not a huge fan of Lovett as I think we should be trying to develop hard hitting, line breaking backrowers but the club obviously sees something in him and we need depth at the club.

 

[Russell]

The guy could turn out to be a winner.

Will get howled down by some.

Not a fan myself but sign him on a moderate amount.

However most of his games next year should be in the lower grade with a half a dozen or so on the bench to give him 20 minutes of game time.

I say this because stats are all very well but…

He needs to learn to hit hard and hurt - I would rather he had made half the tackles and made them count than twice as many pillow tackles. Not on his case, he is young and needs to learn this - preferably in the lower grade, practice down there and then use it in his opportunities from the bench.

Attack - he has none . Needs to learn this as well. Going forward 5 metres and getting pushed back 3 is not any form of go forwards. He has been playing 80 min most of the time so in effect he is 17% of our go forwards going forward and gaining 2-3 metres at a time.

Keep him but he needs to learn a fair bit to be a permanent in the NRL for mine. Bench player until he gets it together. He may end up as a Cordner type and that is only average.

 

[TYGA]

I dont rate him would be happier if we give his salary to Tauapau for 2016 as an incentive to stay in 2017.

 

[cktiger]

The kid tries hard but some of his missed tackles close to the line where he just stuck one arm out are plain embarrassing.
Those are the 'tackles' people remember.
Let's be honest - he's no world beater but lots see something in him.
At the right price he's most probably worth the investment.

 

[Year_of_the_Tiger]

What am I missing here? What are his stats? He looks, feels, runs and tackles like a nuffy!!

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