Revealed: Secret bid to buy battling Tigers

[jadtiger]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

I have agreed with most of your posts in the past and will undoubtedly agree with many more but i simply cant agree with this one.I would certainly agree with somebody making changes to our ownership but it would have to be somebody or group that i trust and i certainly dont trust B.Elias.We dont even know who he is representing or what their intentions are.
It was not me who downvoted your post

 

[gallagher]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.


I have agreed with most of your posts in the past and will undoubtedly agree with many more but i simply cant agree with this one.I would certainly agree with somebody making changes to our ownership but it would have to be somebody or group that i trust and i certainly dont trust B.Elias.We dont even know who he is representing or what their intentions are.
It was not me who downvoted your post

Agreed, I'm sure there is a million other options between ' back the backdoor or stop pointing out the clubs faults '.
The club has already said there has been three bids to buy the club in the last 18 months.

 

[LeichhardtTiger]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

How on God's Earth is the ownership going to change how Nofo's defence will improve?

If the owner removes or influences the coach, then very quickly. Nofo's defence could become the Magpies' problem.

So why don't Benny's Investors buy Russell Crowe's investors - Um 50 - 0. Benny is a dog - WestsTigers don't deserve that piece of crap!

 

[tbones10]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

Hi jirskyr I like that you are looking deeper into it than most, even doing that it still doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of members and fans alike don't trust him. Phenomenal player that he was, it doesn't change the articles that we have read and the stories we have heard.
It also doesn't help he is trying to get involved when the club is well and truly on the rise. The club is going great financially, juniors are firing (2nd in Reggies and Flegg and 4th in the Harold Matts and Tarsha Gale) the $75mil COE is opening shortly, structure and value is being added to all levels of the club and he wants to buy a majority share for what is rumoured to be next years salary cap. During the Taylor and big four era I might have thought about it, but he wasn't there through the bad times, now there is light at the end of the tunnel and he wants in. Go to buggery Ben.

 

[Telltails]

This is all about Benny big noting himself. People complain about Lee H having too much to say - at least he can string more than two words together that make sense. Benny gets any piece of the WTs and he will become the media's go to - and if ever a phrase is more suited to Benny - 'loose lips sink ships" - that's it. The sooner the club squashes it the better imo.

 

[mike]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

How on God's Earth is the ownership going to change how Nofo's defence will improve?

If the owner removes or influences the coach, then very quickly. Nofo's defence could become the Magpies' problem.

Exactly what you don’t want is an owner interfering with the operations of a team. That would be a disaster.

 

[Tigerwould]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

How on God's Earth is the ownership going to change how Nofo's defence will improve?

If the owner removes or influences the coach, then very quickly. Nofo's defence could become the Magpies' problem.

Exactly what you don’t want is an owner interfering with the operations of a team. That would be a disaster.

Like when Maddog Macdougall left Souths because Rusty was trying to teach him how to run line's.
If I bought the Tigers I’d probably do the same as Rusty. He living the dream.

 

[mikey]

If he is going to take the team anywhere take them to the central coast. Still plenty of sydney games and some of us can get up the highway from time to time.

Even more so if the NRL conference system is approved. But in saying that we would be better off in the out of sydney conference over in perth lol. More chance to make it lol

Neither location will do me - it's Nambucca Heads or bust. I'm moving there in 5 weeks.

:8ball: :fishing_pole_and_fish: :golf: :golfer: :man-rowing-boat: :man-surfing: :man-swimming: :tennis: :man-biking: You'll love it there @mikey

That I will. Been going there on and off for nigh on 40 years. Got a couple of mates living there so it's dirt and road riding, fishing, **veggie growing**, homebrewing and kicking back from here on in. Not to mention a huge reno on the house we bought - worst house in a good street type scenario.
Can even do the run down to Sydney for a Tigers match now and then.


Should have moved to Byron.

Too many "beautiful' veggies in Byron for my liking. Mate lives nearby - go to his regularly but never to Byron. Over-priced, traffic is mad, and people heads in places you don't want.

 

[jadtiger]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

How on God's Earth is the ownership going to change how Nofo's defence will improve?

If the owner removes or influences the coach, then very quickly. Nofo's defence could become the Magpies' problem.

Exactly what you don’t want is an owner interfering with the operations of a team. That would be a disaster.

Agreed, it was the phone chucker you forced Keary out of souffs to the rorters.A brilliant decision by the owner of the "filth of the league"

 

[innsaneink]

Can Elias be trusted?

That's the issue most have

Someone with a shred of integrity you'd see a very different sway of opinion imo

 

[BZN]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

Hi jirskyr I like that you are looking deeper into it than most, even doing that it still doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of members and fans alike don't trust him. Phenomenal player that he was, it doesn't change the articles that we have read and the stories we have heard.
It also doesn't help he is trying to get involved when the club is well and truly on the rise. The club is going great financially, juniors are firing (2nd in Reggies and Flegg and 4th in the Harold Matts and Tarsha Gale) the $75mil COE is opening shortly, structure and value is being added to all levels of the club and he wants to buy a majority share for what is rumoured to be next years salary cap. During the Taylor and big four era I might have thought about it, but he wasn't there through the bad times, now there is light at the end of the tunnel and he wants in. Go to buggery Ben.

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[jirskyr]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.


I have agreed with most of your posts in the past and will undoubtedly agree with many more but i simply cant agree with this one.I would certainly agree with somebody making changes to our ownership but it would have to be somebody or group that i trust and i certainly dont trust B.Elias.We dont even know who he is representing or what their intentions are.
It was not me who downvoted your post

You need to re-read my first sentence - first thing I said was I wasn't an advocate for (or really against) the Benny bid.

I don't really have an opinion because I'm not privy to the proposal details. What if it was Ben Elias backed by Harry T, or Ben Elias backed by Gina Reinhart, or Ben Elias backed by Frank Lowy? I doubt it's any of them, Harry T an outside chance, but knowing the details would be a big influence on my opinion.

What I was saying is I don't believe there will be another board shakeup bid for 10+ years. So for those folks that are keen on changing up the Board / ownership, for the purposes of changing the overall culture and accountability of the club, this might be the only opportunity in half a generation.

 

[jirskyr]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

Hi jirskyr I like that you are looking deeper into it than most, even doing that it still doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of members and fans alike don't trust him. Phenomenal player that he was, it doesn't change the articles that we have read and the stories we have heard.
It also doesn't help he is trying to get involved when the club is well and truly on the rise. The club is going great financially, juniors are firing (2nd in Reggies and Flegg and 4th in the Harold Matts and Tarsha Gale) the $75mil COE is opening shortly, structure and value is being added to all levels of the club and he wants to buy a majority share for what is rumoured to be next years salary cap. During the Taylor and big four era I might have thought about it, but he wasn't there through the bad times, now there is light at the end of the tunnel and he wants in. Go to buggery Ben.

So it appears then, dislike for Benny over-rules desires for change at the top.

It's just interesting to me, because I would had said 50% or more folks would have been interested in a board change after the 2021 season to date. For example, if someone said Dennis Burgess or Simon Cook were stepping down next week, I'm predicting most everyone would quite enthusiastic about a shake-up, not actually having any idea if Dennis or Simon know their stuff, nor who the replacement may be.

But a suggestion of Ben Elias trying to buy a seat, those same folks - aka "everyone" - against it.

 

[OzLuke]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.


I have agreed with most of your posts in the past and will undoubtedly agree with many more but i simply cant agree with this one.I would certainly agree with somebody making changes to our ownership but it would have to be somebody or group that i trust and i certainly dont trust B.Elias.We dont even know who he is representing or what their intentions are.
It was not me who downvoted your post

You need to re-read my first sentence - first thing I said was I wasn't an advocate for (or really against) the Benny bid.

I don't really have an opinion because I'm not privy to the proposal details. What if it was Ben Elias backed by Harry T, or Ben Elias backed by Gina Reinhart, or Ben Elias backed by Frank Lowy? I doubt it's any of them, Harry T an outside chance, but knowing the details would be a big influence on my opinion.

What I was saying is I don't believe there will be another board shakeup bid for 10+ years. So for those folks that are keen on changing up the Board / ownership, for the purposes of changing the overall culture and accountability of the club, this might be the only opportunity in half a generation.

I remember reading that Harry T was keen on buying the club a few years ago, but he was the number 1 person. It was his club and he answered to nobody. stakeholders at the time weren't keen on the idea so it withered away.
from memory of course, the details might be a bit different

 

[OzLuke]

For the record I'm not really for or against Benny trying to buy up half of WT.

What I do find interesting is there's been a lot of commentary this year about what Tigers can do differently, given a whole host of coaches, managers, CEOs, staff, players have tried to lift the club to reasonably consistent success, and failed to do so.

It is generally agreed that one of the few consistencies throughout this period has been the board, notwithstanding the Wets 90% buyout of recent years putting it much more firmly in the Wests Ashfield court. We haven't really changed the Board much, aside from the Chairperson.

And a bloke comes along to suggest to buy a stake and shake things up a bit... and the forum reaction appears to be 99% negative. Here's your chance to shake things up folks, we can hardly do much worse on the NRL Ladder or our finals success record. If you are an advocate for shaking up the club structure and ownership, Benny is probably the only bloke who is going to make an offer this side of 2040 (pun intended). Take it or leave it, but if you leave it, you'll need to abandon your complaints about things Wests Ashfield might do in the future.

Hi jirskyr I like that you are looking deeper into it than most, even doing that it still doesn't change the fact that 99.9% of members and fans alike don't trust him. Phenomenal player that he was, it doesn't change the articles that we have read and the stories we have heard.
It also doesn't help he is trying to get involved when the club is well and truly on the rise. The club is going great financially, juniors are firing (2nd in Reggies and Flegg and 4th in the Harold Matts and Tarsha Gale) the $75mil COE is opening shortly, structure and value is being added to all levels of the club and he wants to buy a majority share for what is rumoured to be next years salary cap. During the Taylor and big four era I might have thought about it, but he wasn't there through the bad times, now there is light at the end of the tunnel and he wants in. Go to buggery Ben.

So it appears then, dislike for Benny over-rules desires for change at the top.

It's just interesting to me, because I would had said 50% or more folks would have been interested in a board change after the 2021 season to date. For example, if someone said Dennis Burgess or Simon Cook were stepping down next week, I'm predicting most everyone would quite enthusiastic about a shake-up, not actually having any idea if Dennis or Simon know their stuff, nor who the replacement may be.

But a suggestion of Ben Elias trying to buy a seat, those same folks - aka "everyone" - against it.

if sirro, junior or skando did it nobody would have an issue at all. unfortunately elias has the runs on the board when it comes to shonky dealings, and his reputation has come to bite him on the poverbial regardless of how good and true his intentions are.

 

[Rugba]

I see no need for ownership change , club and nrl team are profitable they are building a good base with juniors coming through as per article on Penrith they are now reaping seeds sown 10 years ago .

Privatising the club is not magically going to improve fortunes of the club .
I don’t understand the problem with west’s Ashfield owning the club ,
- Is manly run any better than the tigers being privatised ?
- Did the eels need to be privatised to be better run now ?
- Are any aleague clubs that are privately run by people with big $$ better run than the WT.

If you feel that the board is not good enough to run a Nrl club , then maybe there should be discussion with west’s Ashfield to add some independent directors to the nrl team board to provide some expertise

 

[hammertime]

Being a property developer doesn't develop the same skills that you get with a business leader running a company.

Benny would be out of his depth.

Might be able to help extend the COE though.

 

[Crucible]

Having lots of money or knowing people that have lots of money does not equate to you being smarter than everybody else. I do not see that Benny brings anything to the table other than money.
Wests Ashfield has money and so does the Wests Tigers, we're not broke. This conversation stems from a poor football related performance and the continued agenda of people like Paul Crawley. I would put my trust in Madge and Hartigan long before Benny. As for Blockers endorsement of Benny, well, if nothing else can be said, he's loyal.

 

[Coastie_Tiger]

Can Elias be trusted?

That's the issue most have

Someone with a shred of integrity you'd see a very different sway of opinion imo

We all know he cant be trusted and thats coming from me a former rusted on Balmain fan. What id be more interested to know is he just a mouth piece for a consortium and who is in this consortium

 

[OzLuke]

Can Elias be trusted?

That's the issue most have

Someone with a shred of integrity you'd see a very different sway of opinion imo

We all know he cant be trusted and thats coming from me a former rusted on Balmain fan. What id be more interested to know is he just a mouth piece for a consortium and who is in this consortium

look at the last club benny bought....plain and simple