Reviewing the Past and Current Path

FinestTigers said:
Throughout the last two decades and even if the WT were too dumb and careless about it, the NRL should have stepped in and said, hey guys it's also in our best interest to protect and grow our business so we'll support you to do whatever is necessary in this region before the AFL and Soccer seize and embraces this massive southwest area.

One unbelievably remarkable thing that i have just realised is this, when no previous ceo/chairman could recognize and say it, it has belatedly taken 22 years for our current chairman to realise and say it.

Martin Bullock said this over 20 years ago.
“From the very first board meeting, it was determined that the future of the club was in the south-west corridor, specifically in the Macarthur region,”
(Martin Bullock, the Wests Tigers’ first chief executive.)

Lee Hagipantelis,
When interviewed recently on radio 2gb Lee talked about the COE amongst other things, and also said this,

"We must produce something similar in the southwest,
It needs to happen ASAP and I've found myself questioning why it hasn't already happened, because the longer it takes, the more kids are snapped up as lifelong supporters of sporting franchises like the Western Sydney Wanderers and Macarthur FC in the A-League and the GWS Giants in the AFL, when they should be following the Wests Tigers."

We are well advanced in those discussions but i can't make any formal announcements just yet but i can assure you that we are absolutely commited to the southwest and it's mine and the view shared by many on the board thats where the future of this club lies and it would be beyond ridiculous not to acknowledge that and embrace it. So i can assure you that the southwest is where we will be, other areas have benefited from generous govt. grants like Penrith, Parramatta, and i see no reason why the southwest should not be a beneficiary.

Hearing all this i'm expecting that an announcement will be made made soon about the approval of a new WT homeground
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They are as committed to the southwest as they are success. Often spoken about but seldom achieved
 
FinestTigers said:
How could this club that should be an NRL giant has instead lived a decade in the wasteland and seemingly unable to escape from it?
Crisis of identity, the boardroom, and one honeground are amongst many topics that us long suffering fans have discussed.

So how did we get into this what seems like an inescapable wasteland?

Under the coaching of Tim Sheens, who took charge of the club in 2003, they established a reputation as the league’s great entertainers. Benji, Robbie, Sunday afternoons at Leichhardt, trick plays and feelgood footy.

Here are some of the noticible quotes from the past.

Wayne Bennett:
“I would have loved to coach the Tigers,”
"everyone likes them. Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall were icons of that club."

In referencing two Balmain greats, Bennett unwittingly raises two key questions about the club: have the Wests Tigers developed an identity of their own?
And if that identity is founded on “icons” such as Marshall and Farah, what happens to the Tigers’ sense of themselves when those players are no longer around?
They are questions that many believe are at the heart of the Wests Tigers all-too-familiar current malaise.

Mick Potter:
“I found it to be a different club to any club I’d been with,” says former coach Mick Potter of his time at the helm from 2013 to 2014. “It was a political hotbed.

Aaron Woods:
“I’m not proud of how things went down,” Woods tells the Herald. “At the time I thought what I was doing was right, but looking back I should’ve handled things differently.”

Ivan Cleary:
April 2017: Ivan tells the off-contract Tigers star players to either "get on the bus or get off the bus."

Benny Elias:
“We thought we were going to start building a dynasty,
“All I want to say is shame on Ivan Cleary for what he’s done. “There’s got to be compensation because what he’s done, he’s left carnage behind by getting out of his contract with two more years (remaining).”

Michael Maguire:
“We couldn’t do anything for two years,” Maguire tells the Herald. “That was it. To create change, you needed to have ability in the salary cap and we were very restricted for two years.”

Tim Sheens:
“There’s a lot of work to be done but at age 71, I’m not afraid of upsetting people.”

Question now remains, can our maestro Sheens get us out of this wasteland?
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Original post or copied from somewhere?
 
The MacArthur area was botched well before 2000. To be honest it’s a great nursery for talent. For supporters going to games not so much. Yes they get dudded with out of town teams and poor time slots at CSS but even when these are perfect bigger crowds would attend at a other grounds. They need to build an academy out there to support the juniors. I don’t hold out much for anything else. I doubt CSS will ever get upgraded. Wrong end of the political spectrum I’m afraid.
 
FinestTigers said:
The article is titled,

A crisis of identity: The real tales from Tiger town​

By Michael Chammas
September 4, 2021
Sydney Morning Herald

Chammas says and quotes Maguire as saying this,

Maguire, who took the reins in 2019, says his ability to improve the roster was severely limited as a result of Cleary’s spending spree..

“We couldn’t do anything for two years,” Maguire tells the Herald. “That was it. To create change, you needed to have ability in the salary cap and we were very restricted for two years.”

subscription only,
https://amp.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/a-...al-tales-from-tiger-town-20210827-p58mm6.html
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Thanks
 
FinestTigers said:
How could this club that should be an NRL giant has instead lived a decade in the wasteland and seemingly unable to escape from it?
Crisis of identity, the boardroom, and one honeground are amongst many topics that us long suffering fans have discussed.

So how did we get into this what seems like an inescapable wasteland?

Under the coaching of Tim Sheens, who took charge of the club in 2003, they established a reputation as the league’s great entertainers. Benji, Robbie, Sunday afternoons at Leichhardt, trick plays and feelgood footy.

Here are some of the noticible quotes from the past.

Wayne Bennett:
“I would have loved to coach the Tigers,”
"everyone likes them. Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall were icons of that club."

In referencing two Balmain greats, Bennett unwittingly raises two key questions about the club: have the Wests Tigers developed an identity of their own?
And if that identity is founded on “icons” such as Marshall and Farah, what happens to the Tigers’ sense of themselves when those players are no longer around?
They are questions that many believe are at the heart of the Wests Tigers all-too-familiar current malaise.

Mick Potter:
“I found it to be a different club to any club I’d been with,” says former coach Mick Potter of his time at the helm from 2013 to 2014. “It was a political hotbed.

Aaron Woods:
“I’m not proud of how things went down,” Woods tells the Herald. “At the time I thought what I was doing was right, but looking back I should’ve handled things differently.”

Ivan Cleary:
April 2017: Ivan tells the off-contract Tigers star players to either "get on the bus or get off the bus."

Benny Elias:
“We thought we were going to start building a dynasty,
“All I want to say is shame on Ivan Cleary for what he’s done. “There’s got to be compensation because what he’s done, he’s left carnage behind by getting out of his contract with two more years (remaining).”

Michael Maguire:
“We couldn’t do anything for two years,” Maguire tells the Herald. “That was it. To create change, you needed to have ability in the salary cap and we were very restricted for two years.”

Tim Sheens:
“There’s a lot of work to be done but at age 71, I’m not afraid of upsetting people.”

Question now remains, can our maestro Sheens get us out of this wasteland?
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paint a picture 4 the next 20 years,you wanna see wins,or ,sook that the revision mirror is dirty
 
FinestTigers said:
How could this club that should be an NRL giant has instead lived a decade in the wasteland and seemingly unable to escape from it?
Crisis of identity, the boardroom, and one honeground are amongst many topics that us long suffering fans have discussed.

So how did we get into this what seems like an inescapable wasteland?

Under the coaching of Tim Sheens, who took charge of the club in 2003, they established a reputation as the league’s great entertainers. Benji, Robbie, Sunday afternoons at Leichhardt, trick plays and feelgood footy.

Here are some of the noticible quotes from the past.

Wayne Bennett:
“I would have loved to coach the Tigers,”
"everyone likes them. Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall were icons of that club."

In referencing two Balmain greats, Bennett unwittingly raises two key questions about the club: have the Wests Tigers developed an identity of their own?
And if that identity is founded on “icons” such as Marshall and Farah, what happens to the Tigers’ sense of themselves when those players are no longer around?
They are questions that many believe are at the heart of the Wests Tigers all-too-familiar current malaise.

Mick Potter:
“I found it to be a different club to any club I’d been with,” says former coach Mick Potter of his time at the helm from 2013 to 2014. “It was a political hotbed.

Aaron Woods:
“I’m not proud of how things went down,” Woods tells the Herald. “At the time I thought what I was doing was right, but looking back I should’ve handled things differently.”

Ivan Cleary:
April 2017: Ivan tells the off-contract Tigers star players to either "get on the bus or get off the bus."

Benny Elias:
“We thought we were going to start building a dynasty,
“All I want to say is shame on Ivan Cleary for what he’s done. “There’s got to be compensation because what he’s done, he’s left carnage behind by getting out of his contract with two more years (remaining).”

Michael Maguire:
“We couldn’t do anything for two years,” Maguire tells the Herald. “That was it. To create change, you needed to have ability in the salary cap and we were very restricted for two years.”

Tim Sheens:
“There’s a lot of work to be done but at age 71, I’m not afraid of upsetting people.”

Question now remains, can our maestro Sheens get us out of this wasteland?
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Did you write this or is it a copy paste?

Question our identity and in the first sentence call Marshall and Farah Balmain greats?
Garbage like this and I switch off
 
FinestTigers said:
The efforts made by some of us posters in making these type of posts are obvious to see.

I would just like to say that the posters don't even need to receive encouragement so much, but i would suggest that members don't discourage them by giving these sorts of replies, that's all.
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Do you misconstrue simple questions in real life as well?
 
innsaneink said:
Do you misconstrue simple questions in real life as well?
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I know you have a bit of a sense of humour insane ink, but i'm unsure if these are intended because your comments are becoming hilarious,

Of course we all naturally respond to something we hear or read then show our Interpretations of it by also naming the sources and copy and pasting their comments as proof,

I can't just talk about a topic without hearing and reading something about it, could you?

I suggest you continue to inspire us and make us laugh but please give up your new ambition of becoming the detective of this forum
 
FinestTigers said:
How could this club that should be an NRL giant has instead lived a decade in the wasteland and seemingly unable to escape from it?
Crisis of identity, the boardroom, and one honeground are amongst many topics that us long suffering fans have discussed.

So how did we get into this what seems like an inescapable wasteland?

Under the coaching of Tim Sheens, who took charge of the club in 2003, they established a reputation as the league’s great entertainers. Benji, Robbie, Sunday afternoons at Leichhardt, trick plays and feelgood footy.

Here are some of the noticible quotes from the past.

Wayne Bennett:
“I would have loved to coach the Tigers,”
"everyone likes them. Robbie Farah and Benji Marshall were icons of that club."

In referencing two Balmain greats, Bennett unwittingly raises two key questions about the club: have the Wests Tigers developed an identity of their own?
And if that identity is founded on “icons” such as Marshall and Farah, what happens to the Tigers’ sense of themselves when those players are no longer around?
They are questions that many believe are at the heart of the Wests Tigers all-too-familiar current malaise.

Mick Potter:
“I found it to be a different club to any club I’d been with,” says former coach Mick Potter of his time at the helm from 2013 to 2014. “It was a political hotbed.

Aaron Woods:
“I’m not proud of how things went down,” Woods tells the Herald. “At the time I thought what I was doing was right, but looking back I should’ve handled things differently.”

Ivan Cleary:
April 2017: Ivan tells the off-contract Tigers star players to either "get on the bus or get off the bus."

Benny Elias:
“We thought we were going to start building a dynasty,
“All I want to say is shame on Ivan Cleary for what he’s done. “There’s got to be compensation because what he’s done, he’s left carnage behind by getting out of his contract with two more years (remaining).”

Michael Maguire:
“We couldn’t do anything for two years,” Maguire tells the Herald. “That was it. To create change, you needed to have ability in the salary cap and we were very restricted for two years.”

Tim Sheens:
“There’s a lot of work to be done but at age 71, I’m not afraid of upsetting people.”

Question now remains, can our maestro Sheens get us out of this wasteland?
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The Loud Drum
June 2022: This post makes no sense. I think it's a collection of quotes or the manifesto of a madman. Either way, Punt Pascoe.
 
innsaneink said:
Looks like you do misconstrue everything.
Some advice... Just relax and enjoy the place... Everyone isn't against you
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Thanks, I am happy, relaxed and morally upright, you take care of yourself too and those around you, the past is the past and life is too short, so let's all realise and appreciate the things that matter and not waste time on unimportant matters and negative feelings.
Cheers
 
mike said:
The MacArthur area was botched well before 2000. To be honest it’s a great nursery for talent. For supporters going to games not so much. Yes they get dudded with out of town teams and poor time slots at CSS but even when these are perfect bigger crowds would attend at a other grounds. They need to build an academy out there to support the juniors. I don’t hold out much for anything else. I doubt CSS will ever get upgraded. Wrong end of the political spectrum I’m afraid.
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G'day @mike : Really Great to see one of WTF imo 'Most Respected' posters on the line again.
It's a real pity but a fact, that the only time some people get together is at Very Sad times such as this, Geo's much to young passing.

I know that You and a few others are Very Unhappy with changes that happened on here a little while ago, and I respect that Mike.
You've been on the WTF since 2010, I've only been here since yesterday in comparison.
But for me personally I feel the Forum is a 'much more Relaxed place' now.
Previously if you strayed from the topic even in the slightest way your post was deleted. I Always had the feeling I was going to be jumped on for the slightest indiscretion, and then I was, I was given for what to me appeared to be a permanent ban as there was no mention of an end date on the ban message I received.

The banter on here is mostly excellent. Sometimes it's pretty crook where the person is being attacked rather than the message, but I generally just skip over those bad posters. If we dont get sucked into replying they end up just talking to themselves and thats pretty dumb eh!, so they stop posting that way which then makes the Mods jobs easier by not having to check each and every post .

The Positives..... @FinestTigers has enough 😍 for WT to start this particular thread which gives us plenty of opportunity for good quality posts to ponder 🤔.
@Cobarcats does lots of quality posts which contain a lot of clean [substitute corny if you wanna 🤣] humour.
@TSP posts some rooly rooly good stuff 👍👍👍.
This is only 3 examples of good posters Mike. And imo the good posters far outweigh the bad.

Anyway that's enough from me [probably too much] so I'll finish by saying I 😍 Your new Avatar of Geo's mate Ned Kelly.
 
MAGPIES1963 said:
G'day @mike : Really Great to see one of WTF imo 'Most Respected' posters on the line again.
It's a real pity but a fact, that the only time some people get together is at Very Sad times such as this, Geo's much to young passing.

I know that You and a few others are Very Unhappy with changes that happened on here a little while ago, and I respect that Mike.
You've been on the WTF since 2010, I've only been here since yesterday in comparison.
But for me personally I feel the Forum is a 'much more Relaxed place' now.
Previously if you strayed from the topic even in the slightest way your post was deleted. I Always had the feeling I was going to be jumped on for the slightest indiscretion, and then I was, I was given for what to me appeared to be a permanent ban as there was no mention of an end date on the ban message I received.

The banter on here is mostly excellent. Sometimes it's pretty crook where the person is being attacked rather than the message, but I generally just skip over those bad posters. If we dont get sucked into replying they end up just talking to themselves and thats pretty dumb eh!, so they stop posting that way which then makes the Mods jobs easier by not having to check each and every post .

The Positives..... @FinestTigers has enough 😍 for WT to start this particular thread which gives us plenty of opportunity for good quality posts to ponder 🤔.
@Cobarcats does lots of quality posts which contain a lot of clean [substitute corny if you wanna 🤣] humour.
@TSP posts some rooly rooly good stuff 👍👍👍.
This is only 3 examples of good posters Mike. And imo the good posters far outweigh the bad.

Anyway that's enough from me [probably too much] so I'll finish by saying I 😍 Your new Avatar of Geo's mate Ned Kelly.
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MAGPIES1963 said:
Ned Kelly. The only autograph I ever got as a kid. The only one I ever wanted. Seems fitting though.
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MAGPIES1963 said:
G'day @mike : Really Great to see one of WTF imo 'Most Respected' posters on the line again.
It's a real pity but a fact, that the only time some people get together is at Very Sad times such as this, Geo's much to young passing.

I know that You and a few others are Very Unhappy with changes that happened on here a little while ago, and I respect that Mike.
You've been on the WTF since 2010, I've only been here since yesterday in comparison.
But for me personally I feel the Forum is a 'much more Relaxed place' now.
Previously if you strayed from the topic even in the slightest way your post was deleted. I Always had the feeling I was going to be jumped on for the slightest indiscretion, and then I was, I was given for what to me appeared to be a permanent ban as there was no mention of an end date on the ban message I received.

The banter on here is mostly excellent. Sometimes it's pretty crook where the person is being attacked rather than the message, but I generally just skip over those bad posters. If we dont get sucked into replying they end up just talking to themselves and thats pretty dumb eh!, so they stop posting that way which then makes the Mods jobs easier by not having to check each and every post .

The Positives..... @FinestTigers has enough 😍 for WT to start this particular thread which gives us plenty of opportunity for good quality posts to ponder 🤔.
@Cobarcats does lots of quality posts which contain a lot of clean [substitute corny if you wanna 🤣] humour.
@TSP posts some rooly rooly good stuff 👍👍👍.
This is only 3 examples of good posters Mike. And imo the good posters far outweigh the bad.

Anyway that's enough from me [probably too much] so I'll finish by saying I 😍 Your new Avatar of Geo's mate Ned Kelly.
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Noel ‘Ned’ Kelly was the only autograph I ever got as a kid. The only one I ever wanted. I got at a match at Lidcombe oval too. Seems fitting though.
 
innsaneink said:
Do you misconstrue simple questions in real life as well?
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Your question from yesterday,
"Do you misconstrue simple questions.."

My answer now,
I'm certain that from time to time and for various reasons we can all misconstrue or have misunderstood things, we are just humans after all..

Yesterday there was a moment there that caused my confusion in this thread, i could explain it but it doesn't matter.

What needs to be said now is to apologize about what happened,

Sorry mate,
After looking at those posts again,
You were right about misconstruing.
(i must admit that i did have a bit of a headache yesterday)

You also mentioned that the thread was becoming difficult to follow, I've now changed the title to what it was originally was (mostly) and to make it look more relative to what the original idea of discussion was meant to be, and that is, the causes of the failures since 2005 and reviewing those major events since then.

Such as the following quotes, although the first one was prior to 2005, i believe it is very relevant to the causes of the failures and why the WT have suffered and are still in this very undesirable position.

1)Martin Bullock said,over 20 years ago.
“From the very first board meeting, it was determined that the future of the club was in the south-west corridor, specifically in the Macarthur region,”
(Martin Bullock, the Wests Tigers’ first chief executive.)

And so, what has happened since?
Mick Potter explains it simply in one sentence.

2) Mick Potter:
“I found it to be a different club to any club I’d been with,” says former coach Mick Potter of his time at the helm from 2013 to 2014. “It was a political hotbed."

And now,
More than 20 years later.

3) Lee Hagipantelis,
"We are well advanced in those discussions but i can't make any formal announcements just yet but i can assure you that we are absolutely commited to the southwest and it's mine and the view shared by many on the board thats where the future of this club lies and it would be beyond ridiculous not to acknowledge that and embrace it"

The previous boards have criminally kept us on a crooked path for far too long and the announcement of this current path taken by the WT looks encouraging,
what do you think?
 
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