Right side defence

[madunit]

18 months of zero improvements suggests Kev either plays as a winger or plays at another club.

 

[gallagher]

18 months of zero improvements suggests Kev either plays as a winger or plays at another club.

Another grade. I think he's worse on the wing aswell.

 

[Nelson]

One thing that is annoying the hell out of me is why our right side defence is so bad?

We have seen a number of occasions this year where Moses, Kev and Noffa look like they are defending on a different planet to each other. There doesn't seem to be any strategy to what they are going to do and there certainly doesn't appear to be any communication.

The thing that bugs me the most is it doesn't seem to be getting any bettter! Surely the coaching staff is showing them videos of them shooting out of the line like they have been fired out of a canon only to end up 5 meters behind the attack watching them stroll through the hole that they left? At least if they were told to hold the line no matter what the opposition has to come up with the right play to score rather than handing it to them, it shouldn't be that hard to fix. If they are told that and continue to rush up then it's time to give MCK a go.

Maybe they're being told to rush up .
Can't think of a reason to do that , but a lot of reasons not to.
But they keep doing it,
So either he's okay with it, or they go against against what he wants them to do,
Which raises the question, why are they( or at least one of them ) not being dropped.
It's causing us problems in a lot of games

There would be an option in the system to race up and jam without doubt. The issue is that when that happens the other players in the area are not on the same page. it si usually Noffa and Kevvie, but at times Moses clearly breaks pattern (like on the try last week)

All the systems are hard to break down even if they make a wrong decision if everyone does the same thing. Our right side doesnt do the same thing.

Last week it was an obvious ploy to try and put heaps of pressure on Cronk

It worked the first few times and then disintegrated after that

Yeah I thought that too. They went in with that plan and it was a good idea in theory to cut down the time and options of the sole play maker. Problem was the sole play maker was Cronk and he's all class and he adapted. We didn't adapt until I assume the coach said to abandon that strategy at half time. We need to be going out with contingency plans and an on-field leader who has the smarts to make the call to switch when a strategy isn't working.

 

[Geo]

Kevin on the wing…*Shudders

 

[stevetiger]

18 months of zero improvements suggests Kev either plays as a winger or plays at another club.

You obviously haven't seen him on the wing. He has been much better at centre.

 

[stevetiger]

How good were Nofo and Naiqama tonight. They were great,

I don't get the hate for Naiqama. I think the haters have no idea.

 

[barra]

Yep they were both great tonight Steve, and I think everyone rates Kevvie in attack, but they've had a few absolute shockers in defence in recent rounds.

Tonight was a big improvement and if they continue to practice good defensive drills they will both be much better players, especially Kev!

 

[851]

How good were Nofo and Naiqama tonight. They were great,

I don't get the hate for Naiqama. I think the haters have no idea.

Kev was better tonight, but he rushed in and let in one try tonight, and was lucky another couple were bombed by penrith.

 

[stevetiger]

Yep they were both great tonight Steve, and I think everyone rates Kevvie in attack, but they've had a few absolute shockers in defence in recent rounds.

Tonight was a big improvement and if they continue to practice good defensive drills they will both be much better players, especially Kev!

My take is give them a chance. They both put in. They were great tonight.

 

[Geo]

Scramble was great…still have a heap of work to do...

 

[pHyR3]

Scramble was great…still have a heap of work to do...

pretty much this

numbering up and decision making was very poor but intent and scramble was great.

good to see some tries come off kicks from them, means our D is doing something right. kicking is usually a bit of a lottery

 

[tigerman80]

How good were Nofo and Naiqama tonight. They were great,

I don't get the hate for Naiqama. I think the haters have no idea.

im not sure if i was watching the same game, but our right hand side was again horrendous. They could have scored 5 or 6 tries easily if their passes stuck. On atleast 2 times kev rushed up and got no one. We were lucky we were playing a team about the same level as us. With our right hand side defence we will only win games when we score 30+ points. I love our attack and everything about it, but defence is no good, and the better teams will continue to find us out.

 

[innsaneink]

Gotta agree with tigerman80…. Don't wanna be a wet blanket after a great win but we got lucky tonight here... Some intercepts and opposition loose passes

 

[GNR4LIFE]

Very average again, though Kev made some good decisions to come out of the line a couple times. That was probably more good fortune than good planning though. Moses came absolutely creamed Cartwright late. They're still the 3 blind mice though.

 

[69-05-41]

Right side defence was woeful again tonight. Fortunately Penrith were unable to exploit it after their first two tries. Lot's of high fives between Kev and Nofo but their defensive effort was disjointed, chaotic and ultimately extremely lucky. Inexplicably Penrith directed more attack at our left side than right, much like Souffs did. A smart team would have ripped them to shreds.

 

[stevied]

Very simple we have Moses, Naiqama and Nofo all below standard defenders on the one side of the field.
I would move Naiqama to the right wing, Nofo outside of Simona on the left wing and bring in MCK to play right centre. ET should play on the right to protect Moses and Lawrence on the left to cover Brooks.

Simona and MCK can defend so would help the wingers. Our problems are from the inside and make it look like the wingers bad decisions but they are starting from Naiqama. Moses to his credit has improved but still a light weight.

That's a very sensible suggestion TYGA but I do think we'd lose some potency out wide. Kev has generally been excellent in attack for us and, despite his defensive frailties, has actually set up many tries as a penetrative link man. Has anyone worked out a stat for his 'tries allowed/ tries created' comparison? It would make an interesting read.

 

[Love_the_WestsTigers]

Yeah they are still Off queue
The team held a very straight line for most part except when the attack came on the Right Side.

Nofo and Kevvy were in different post codes at times - again

 

[Bones]

How good were Nofo and Naiqama tonight. They were great,

I don't get the hate for Naiqama. I think the haters have no idea.

Kev was better tonight, but he rushed in and let in one try tonight, and was lucky another couple were bombed by penrith.

11 missed tackles between Noffa, Kev and Moses. 16 if you add Alioai, hardly inspiring defensive stats from them.
We still conceded 26 points and against good teams that will hurt.

I don't think anyone has a problem with their attack but the defence is all over the shop.

 

[stevetiger]

How good were Nofo and Naiqama tonight. They were great,

I don't get the hate for Naiqama. I think the haters have no idea.

Kev was better tonight, but he rushed in and let in one try tonight, and was lucky another couple were bombed by penrith.

11 missed tackles between Noffa, Kev and Moses. 16 if you add Alioai, hardly inspiring defensive stats from them.
We still conceded 26 points and against good teams that will hurt.

I don't think anyone has a problem with their attack but the defence is all over the shop.

Here is the thing though. Teams are going to score points. I think we were good all over the park and there were no glaring issues on either side.

The biggest mistake I saw was Wood's play the ball when he just dropped it cold at a critical time.

 

[Bones]

How good were Nofo and Naiqama tonight. They were great,

I don't get the hate for Naiqama. I think the haters have no idea.

Kev was better tonight, but he rushed in and let in one try tonight, and was lucky another couple were bombed by penrith.

11 missed tackles between Noffa, Kev and Moses. 16 if you add Alioai, hardly inspiring defensive stats from them.
We still conceded 26 points and against good teams that will hurt.

I don't think anyone has a problem with their attack but the defence is all over the shop.

Here is the thing though. Teams are going to score points. I think we were good all over the park and there were no glaring issues on either side.

The biggest mistake I saw was Wood's play the ball when he just dropped it cold at a critical time.

Yes they are going to score points but letting in an average of 26 isn't good enough. If we can keep teams under 20 we will win plenty of games but when you allow more than that you lose the majority.

Last week against Melbourne was a classice example, you will rarely score 30 points against a top side so you need your defence to keep you in the game and at the moment the RHS is letting us down.