Robbie Farah..Discussion Thread.....

[ghost]

The thing I liked about Cleary was that he encouraged the Riff to use the ball and attack.

He could be a win for us.

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

I speak to the father of a current first grader and a favourite of many here from the 80s and 90s….he reckons Farah is an egotistical wanker

I had personal dealings with a host of the big name players of those eras and can tell you there were plenty of egotistical wankers amongst them - in fact most of them :laughing: (but not the one I think you're talking about- a truly nice bloke)

True. I thought the role of an NRL coach was to be able to coral and massage all the egos in the dressing sheds into a coherent and effective team. Sheens was excellent at it. Taylor does not possess people management or communication skills and this is a major deficiency, among many, in his "coaching".

Trouble is that the coaches ego is bigger than any of the players. And always has been

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Wonder what our sponsors are thinking about this circus going on for this long,
Wonder if they had a refund clause added to their contract
They must love seeing the Coach trying to shaft the Captain, before he even found out if anyone could still afford to buy him.

 

[boonboon]

The thing I liked about Cleary was that he encouraged the Riff to use the ball and attack.

He could be a win for us.

So you like Cleary because he encourages his team to attack but don't like Taylor because he play's boring football ?

NRL 2015
Penrith were the worst attacking team in the comp under Cleary

Tigers were the 6th best attacking team in the comp

If you are going to be bias at least try and make some sense

 

[ghost]

Did u see the injuries Penrith had this year??

It was incredible.

Look at last year they were a very attractive team to watch!

Sorry i dont make more sense…..seems a lot of peeps getting very personal in this thread.

I will refrain....

 

[Strider]

Keep Robbie, get Cleary as head coach would be the most obvious option and the only way to turn this all into a positive! Only in dreams. Tigers are not that clever.

Once again pay out Taylor and pay another coach as well…."spear the coach before he can complete his tenure"....and you wonder why we are in the position we are in...

Potter and JT are not CLOSE to Clearys ability. Cleary is genuine, maybe 5th best coach in the game?

JT shouldn't even be a head coach, definite assistant coach. Tigers [This word has been automatically removed]ed up, and it sucks to get ANOTHER coach I agree, but not if they can finally make a good decision.

 

[ghost]

Tactically Cleary gave Taylor a complete bath when we played them!

He saw a weakness early and exploited the hell out of it while Taylor just let it happen,again and again.

Completely schooled.

 

[westTAHger]

All that the Robbie / Jason saga has really achieved, is turn fans against each other.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and see it differently from their perspective.
No one is right or wrong.

The most evident factor from all this, regardless of whether Robbie or Jason are with the club, is that **we all want to see wests tigers succeed, and given the best possible chance to do so.** 😛ray:

 

[boonboon]

Did u see the injuries Penrith had this year??

It was incredible.

Look at last year they were a very attractive team to watch!

Sorry i dont make more sense…..seems a lot of peeps getting very personal in this thread.

I will refrain....

Oh you mean 2014 where they scored a whole 19 more points then we did in 2015 over 24 rounds. Where they came 4th and we came 15th ? Such an attacking coach with less then 1 point a match more

Cleary had the roster he wanted (after clearing out a heap of supposed club legends much like Taylor is doing) and had much more money and support yet over 4 years he made the finals once. Myth

 

[Russell]

Some fans and media like Paul Kent have tried to paint Farah as someone who is unpopular among his team mates. Which looks like it could not be further from truth from quotes from a number of players and reactions in the last 2 games.

Although I did like Benji's honest insight into the type of character Farah could be in his younger days. To be honest, it made me like Farah more. While the boys club were hanging out and moving on after another loss Farah wouldn't talk to them for 2 days. It was a soft culture under Sheens and thats where the boys club began.

In some respects its poor leadership but I still think if we had more characters like Robbie over the year we would be better off not worse off. Guys like Chris Lawrence are worshipped on here but he has played about 10 good games since 2011 and spent half the time on the sideline. But he's a good bloke.

Rowdy is a better "Bloke" than Farah - That is my definite opinion.

Whether he has played 1 good game and Farah has played 200.

 

[hammertime]

Keep Robbie, get Cleary as head coach would be the most obvious option and the only way to turn this all into a positive! Only in dreams. Tigers are not that clever.

Agreed. The argument that it will cost too much to pay Taylor out is a fallacy. The truth is the cost of keeping Taylor in relation to the ongoing damage to the WTs' branch far outweighs the cost of paying him out.

…and what happens when Robbie decides he doesn't like the next coach?

We have to stop the rot now. Good on JT for doing so. He could have taken the easy path, but he hasn't. If JT goes now, all that hard work will be undone and the culture shift we are slowly achieving will be reversed and amplified.

The fact he can't coach is rubbish. The bloke came from the Roosters. He has taken that and is implementing something very similar here. Robinson publicly vouched for his abilities which carries far more weight than Robbie or any of the blokes on here.

I for one want to see how JT goes for a year with his players and without being undermined.

Pascoe's plan of 1 more year for Robbie is the way to go.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

Keep Robbie, get Cleary as head coach would be the most obvious option and the only way to turn this all into a positive! Only in dreams. Tigers are not that clever.

Agreed. The argument that it will cost too much to pay Taylor out is a fallacy. The truth is the cost of keeping Taylor in relation to the ongoing damage to the WTs' branch far outweighs the cost of paying him out.

One of them best and most accurate posts so far in this marathon thread .
Another year of him and the rescue of this basket case club will be a lot harder.
It seems that At least Pascoe is aware of that , and is keeping Taylor in check at the moment.

There's damage either way you look at it. One is a financial and PR disaster, the other is potentially a long term disaster.

Shaft Robbie: Get many fans offside, memberships drop (which financially isn't a significant issue considering how little membership revenue is compared to NRL money/sponsorship etc,) cap impact, negative publicity.

Shaft JT: Get some fans offside, but most importantly creating a perception that WT is a club that doesn't allow coaches to see out what they've started and that they cave into fan/player power. It will be near on impossible for this club to attract a well qualified coach while ever we're performing poorly on the field for this reason, we don't wait for results to present. I've seen Wests fans asking to sack JT for, wait for it, the Walker boys. It would take years for them to coach a team to their style of football where the majority of the players have been brought up in NRL coaching systems that require heavily structured football. We'd be calling for their heads after the first year. The point is that it's not conducive to long term success as the good coaches will give us a wide berth while we perpetually sift through second rate coaches who will not get the absolute best out of our squad, unless we jag a young coach looking for an opportunity to impress who happens to be willing to risk it on us because he can't get a start elsewhere. This is just as, if not more IMO, damaging to us than sacking a club great, particularly in the long term.

 

[hammertime]

So much for Ayoub promising to keep quiet with the media… Although, hats off. He did last a whole 3 days.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers/robbie-farahs-proposed-sydney-roosters-move-killed-by-jake-friend/news-story/bb02fb424523916cf75e69bcc70d1955
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ANY hope of Robbie Farah finding a new home at Bondi was blown out of the water the moment Jake Friend got wind of it.
The Daily Telegraph can also reveal that Farah’s manager Sam Ayoub met with St George Illawarra on Wednesday.
While the Dragons haven’t ruled out signing Farah for next season, Ayoub was told Mitch Rein remains the club’s priority beyond 2016.
But talks with the Roosters broke down after Trent Robinson addressed the subject with Friend and his senior playing group.
It is understood Friend was initially stunned to hear of the developments after revelations became public knowledge on the weekend.
While the Roosters’ hierarchy initially entertained the possibility of picking up the NSW hooker at a bargain price, it was decided that the club would not push forward with the idea out of respect to their co-captain.
It is believed Robinson’s main priority was always the harmony of his squad. While the move would have further strengthened the Roosters’ already powerful roster, the last thing the coach wanted to do was unsettle Friend, who has tremendous respect among his teammates.
Unfortunately for Farah it now means another option has been taken away through no fault of his own as he scrambles to find a new NRL club for 2016.
While the Tigers have made it virtually untenable for their former captain to stay even though he has two years remaining on his existing contract, at this point they have refused to pay out the money Farah is owed.
It means Farah’s only alternative for now is to stay on and train with the club until the matter is resolved.
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Farah spent Wednesday night in camp with the Tigers in Port Stephens and Ayoub was adamant no decision was even close.
“We are as bewildered as anybody at the moment,” Ayoub said.
“Until we hear back from the Tigers there is nothing for us to update you on. And that is the truth.”
The Daily Telegraph was also told Ayoub spent some time with St George Illawarra and Farah’s name was brought up in conversation.
Given the Dragons already have Rein on their books on a deal believed to be worth $450,000 for 2016, they would also have to rely on the Tigers paying the majority of Farah’s wage for any deal to work.
The club has also expressed interest in extending Rein’s contract beyond next season.
Newcastle have already ruled out making a play for Farah, while talks with South Sydney also fell through.
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Tigers coach Jason Taylor recently said he and Farah had worked through the majority of their issues.
While that might be Taylor’s take on their relationship, it is hard to see how Farah could possibly view that as the case given the disrespect the club has shown him in recent months.
Taylor himself still has two years to run on his own contract but Ivan Cleary’s name continues to be mentioned as a possible replacement if the Tigers have a poor start to next season.
Cleary has a strong past relationship with new Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe from their time together at Penrith.
Cleary recently told The Daily Telegraph he would consider all options.
But if the Tigers view him as a potential solution to the current situation they might want to act sooner rather than later.
While Cleary’s past record speaks for itself, The Daily Telegraph also understands other clubs have already sounded him out for varying positions next year, although Cleary said his first choice was to be a head coach.

 

[gallagher]

Did u see the injuries Penrith had this year??

It was incredible.

Look at last year they were a very attractive team to watch!

Sorry i dont make more sense…..seems a lot of peeps getting very personal in this thread.

I will refrain....

Oh you mean 2014 where they scored a whole 19 more points then we did in 2015 over 24 rounds. Where they came 4th and we came 15th ? Such an attacking coach with less then 1 point a match more

Cleary had the roster he wanted (after clearing out a heap of supposed club legends much like Taylor is doing) and had much more money and support yet over 4 years he made the finals once. Myth

I told you Boonboon. No matter how many times you point out facts about our attack the weedlers of the forum continue to say the opposite is the truth. They reckon if you say it so many times people will believe it.

 

[gallagher]

I speak to the father of a current first grader and a favourite of many here from the 80s and 90s….he reckons Farah is an egotistical wanker

I had personal dealings with a host of the big name players of those eras and can tell you there were plenty of egotistical wankers amongst them - in fact most of them :laughing: (but not the one I think you're talking about- a truly nice bloke)

True. I thought the role of an NRL coach was to be able to coral and massage all the egos in the dressing sheds into a coherent and effective team. Sheens was excellent at it. Taylor does not possess people management or communication skills and this is a major deficiency, among many, in his "coaching".

Thats what coaches need to do when they have a complete toss bag in their team that's a great player. When the player ages and becomes a pretty average player all that stops as he is no longer necessary.

 

[ghost]

Our attack???U mean the one game the side threw it around and Robbie had a field day.

Take that away and it was inept.

High point the zero we scored against the Thurston-less Cowpats,but many other solid displays of lucklustre attack.

I guess we do have our own JT to thank for the magnificent mid field bomb!!

That'll bring the crowds in and get the memberships soaring!

 

[ricksen]

Every team in the NRL is a proponent of the midfield bomb these days. There is plenty of reason to have a go at JT's coaching, but that's not one of them.

 

[GNR4LIFE]

The thing I liked about Cleary was that he encouraged the Riff to use the ball and attack.

He could be a win for us.

But what if he doesn't want Farah? He has a history of moving club legends on.

People are advocating Cleary as a saviour, and hey, I think he's the most underrated coach of the last decade, but it's a 2 way street. Who says he even wants to come here? Why would any coach, especially one of the quality of Cleary want to come here if we discard Taylor in the next 6-9 months? I'm sure he'd see the way we behead coaches at the first sign of trouble a comfort I'm sure.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

So much for Ayoub promising to keep quiet with the media… Although, hats off. He did last a whole 3 days.

http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/wests-tigers/robbie-farahs-proposed-sydney-roosters-move-killed-by-jake-friend/news-story/bb02fb424523916cf75e69bcc70d1955
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ANY hope of Robbie Farah finding a new home at Bondi was blown out of the water the moment Jake Friend got wind of it.
The Daily Telegraph can also reveal that Farah’s manager Sam Ayoub met with St George Illawarra on Wednesday.
While the Dragons haven’t ruled out signing Farah for next season, Ayoub was told Mitch Rein remains the club’s priority beyond 2016.
But talks with the Roosters broke down after Trent Robinson addressed the subject with Friend and his senior playing group.
It is understood Friend was initially stunned to hear of the developments after revelations became public knowledge on the weekend.
While the Roosters’ hierarchy initially entertained the possibility of picking up the NSW hooker at a bargain price, it was decided that the club would not push forward with the idea out of respect to their co-captain.
It is believed Robinson’s main priority was always the harmony of his squad. While the move would have further strengthened the Roosters’ already powerful roster, the last thing the coach wanted to do was unsettle Friend, who has tremendous respect among his teammates.
Unfortunately for Farah it now means another option has been taken away through no fault of his own as he scrambles to find a new NRL club for 2016.
While the Tigers have made it virtually untenable for their former captain to stay even though he has two years remaining on his existing contract, at this point they have refused to pay out the money Farah is owed.
It means Farah’s only alternative for now is to stay on and train with the club until the matter is resolved.
>
Farah spent Wednesday night in camp with the Tigers in Port Stephens and Ayoub was adamant no decision was even close.
“We are as bewildered as anybody at the moment,” Ayoub said.
“Until we hear back from the Tigers there is nothing for us to update you on. And that is the truth.”
The Daily Telegraph was also told Ayoub spent some time with St George Illawarra and Farah’s name was brought up in conversation.
Given the Dragons already have Rein on their books on a deal believed to be worth $450,000 for 2016, they would also have to rely on the Tigers paying the majority of Farah’s wage for any deal to work.
The club has also expressed interest in extending Rein’s contract beyond next season.
Newcastle have already ruled out making a play for Farah, while talks with South Sydney also fell through.
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Tigers coach Jason Taylor recently said he and Farah had worked through the majority of their issues.
While that might be Taylor’s take on their relationship, it is hard to see how Farah could possibly view that as the case given the disrespect the club has shown him in recent months.
Taylor himself still has two years to run on his own contract but Ivan Cleary’s name continues to be mentioned as a possible replacement if the Tigers have a poor start to next season.
Cleary has a strong past relationship with new Tigers chief executive Justin Pascoe from their time together at Penrith.
Cleary recently told The Daily Telegraph he would consider all options.
But if the Tigers view him as a potential solution to the current situation they might want to act sooner rather than later.
While Cleary’s past record speaks for itself, The Daily Telegraph also understands other clubs have already sounded him out for varying positions next year, although Cleary said his first choice was to be a head coach.

The most remarkable part of that story is that Rein is purported to be on $450K a season.

 

[Cultured_Bogan]

The more this goes on I feel the pendulum is swinging back. Now that Pascoe is firmly entrenched I get the feeling that JT is on notice.