Robbie's Passing Game

[BodhiTiger]

Hooked up with a couple of Tigers supporters recently, we were talking all things Tigers.
I mentioned that I thought Robbie seems to hold the ball up just that split second longer than most other dummy halves, and I believe this contributes to our woeful go forward at times and really puts pressure on the receiver.
I watched Ennis (Grub) a few times last year, and he shoots that ball out like a bullet. I don't see Robbie doing this. When Austin played dummy half he was getting that ball out like a bullet also, and we seem to get a roll on because of this.
The guys that I was talking with agreed with this and said they notice it.

Just thought I would put it out there and wondered if this was just me or others see the same thing occurring?

 

[underdog]

Well, at least he doesn't pass it forward like Iosefa used to… :mrgreen:

I think he might need to tweak his game a bit - the markers are all over Robbies 'Show and Go" and I don't remember many clean breaks from dummy half like years gone by.

 

[barra]

I think it is a different team playing style as much as anything, and it's about trying to put the defence in two minds.

The Bulldogs get the ball quickly to Graham etc, who then hold it in two hands and may pass or may hit it up, which is designed to stop the opposition from moving up too quickly in case they get caught out.

Robbie steps from the ruck and may pass or may run, which is also designed to stop the defence from moving up quickly… except that in a lot of cases it doesn't. The play is often tighter at the ruck so the opposition can almost cover either option from the one defensive position.

I'd say that's why Hasler went to the option of ball-playing props taking this role, as it is wider from the ruck, there are already players in motion and the opposition is more likely to be wider spaced.

 

[Rparto]

Think it's cause his first move is to try catch a marker offside or a make a clean break with his show and go as Underdog pointed out and once he loses the option generally throws the pass to a forward and the defensive line has already moved up.

Unless he gets a quick play the ball or 1 man at marker I'd be encouraging him to move the ball quicker.

 

[Gray]

Watch smith. He'll pick the ball up an often take a couple of steps before feeding it out. Gives the option of running or passing based on what the defence does instead of deciding before the play the ball.

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[goldcoast_tiger]

Was working pretty well in first six or seven games

 

[goldcoast_tiger]

Was working well in first six or seven games when most of our top team were on the field.

 

[jirskyr]

Our PTBs are dreadfully slow most of the time, that has a lot to do with defensive line speed on the dummy half.

Smith can take his time because Storm forwards are well-drilled. Our lumberers take forever, sometimes Woodsie gets a good one and Blair usually does, doesn't afford Farah much width.

And I swear Robbie gets 1 penalty for every 10 he deserves, it's ridiculous how infrequently the refs penalise the markers on him.

 

[Masterton]

I thought he got rid of the ball pretty quickly and cleanly in Origin and early in the season.Both styles can have their appeal, but you're more likely to quickly dispose if you have everything organised in the halves.

 

[the_third]

All of the above. Basically, we need the team to set it up for him. There needs to be some danger in our forwards to pull the defenders wide. We had that the first 6 rounds. Taylor need coach our players to create danger an extra step away from the ruck. This should pull defenders up and out to the receiver creating space for Farah

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[VanillaThunder]

The ultra-slow motion one handed pick up off a quick play the ball kills me. Watch how quickly the likes of Segeyaro or even Koroisau get out of dummy half off half breaks then compare it to Robbie. I know he's giving up a few years but seriously.
That and Robbie's first instinct when getting out of dummy half is to draw a penalty on the markers, not to engage them. As someone else said, watch Ennis or Smith; they get out with the intent to draw the markers before feeding their ball runner, whereas Robbie tries to draw the penalty and when it doesn't get called, the play breaks down and he's throws a sloppy pass.

 

[Justo]

And I swear Robbie gets 1 penalty for every 10 he deserves, it's ridiculous how infrequently the refs penalize the markers on him.

This is true. It's because it's his signature play, and the refs know it, so they pretty much ignore it most of the time as they probably believe he's out to milk that penalty.

 

[innsaneink]

And I swear Robbie gets 1 penalty for every 10 he deserves, it's ridiculous how infrequently the refs penalize the markers on him.

This is true. It's because it's his signature play, and the refs know it, so they pretty much ignore it most of the time as they probably believe he's out to milk that penalty.

Its because he plays for the penalty, instead of playing for metres and using offside players to his advantage….he basically runs into them and stops, its a flaw in his game

Ive also notice the slight prop before passing, I wonder if its his back or indecision,.....if its intentional its another flaw because quick service is crucial at times and our 1st recievers suffer

 

[LCA]

A liability. Get rid of him.

 

[happy_tiger]

And I swear Robbie gets 1 penalty for every 10 he deserves, it's ridiculous how infrequently the refs penalize the markers on him.

This is true. It's because it's his signature play, and the refs know it, so they pretty much ignore it most of the time as they probably believe he's out to milk that penalty.

Its because he plays for the penalty, instead of playing for metres and using offside players to his advantage….he basically runs into them and stops, its a flaw in his game

Ive also notice the slight prop before passing, I wonder if its his back or indecision,.....if its intentional its another flaw because quick service is crucial at times and our 1st recievers suffer

He tries too hard to play for penalties

If he did it far less he would probably get more penalties

He has got as bad as Bird with that aspect of his game and it annoys me

Used to love it when he took the defence on and just split teams up the guts and the stupid thing is now he actually has some big guys that make yards and get quick play the balls that he can play far more direct

 

[thesquid]

You are not along Bodi. It was getting to me this year that there seemed to be quite a big thought pause before passing. Then it was like more often than not, that he goes, stuff it, ill run it myself.

He just didn't seem like a well oiled, geld hooker toward the end of the season.

 

[jirskyr]

I don't quite get the logic that Farah is doing something wrong engaging offside / not square markers and trying to draw a penalty.

If they're offside and tackle him, it's a penalty, no matter how obviously he engages the marker or "milks" it. Ref's can't ignore him just because he is good at picking out illegal player.

 

[gallagher]

I don't quite get the logic that Farah is doing something wrong engaging offside / not square markers and trying to draw a penalty.

If they're offside and tackle him, it's a penalty, no matter how obviously he engages the marker or "milks" it. Ref's can't ignore him just because he is good at picking out illegal player.

It shouldnt make a difference but it does.Wrong or not, he should be smart enough to realise that.

 

[Tim Sheens]

I don't quite get the logic that Farah is doing something wrong engaging offside / not square markers and trying to draw a penalty.

If they're offside and tackle him, it's a penalty, no matter how obviously he engages the marker or "milks" it. Ref's can't ignore him just because he is good at picking out illegal player.

It shouldnt make a difference but it does.Wrong or not, he should be smart enough to realise that.

Similar story if a player is within cooeee of the play the ball, when he feels the need to feign a couple of stumbles. Sure we get the occasional penalty, which we would get most of anyhow. More often than not though, it just causes our attack and momentum to stutter.

I often find myself yelling out "just get on with it" at the game or the TV screen. I don't however have any great problem with his passing game.

A few supporters of other teams have told me that the above areas of his game are the reasons they (as most others seem to) dislike him as a player. A bit like the boy who cried wolf story with Robbie, after a while people just ignore it.

 

[innsaneink]

I don't quite get the logic that Farah is doing something wrong engaging offside / not square markers and trying to draw a penalty.

If they're offside and tackle him, it's a penalty, no matter how obviously he engages the marker or "milks" it. Ref's can't ignore him just because he is good at picking out illegal player.

But they do ignore him…weve all seen it.
Refs are often instructed to try minimise penaltys to ensure a free flowing spectacle - we hear them calling out players offside all the time.
They ignore offsides much of the time.
He should focus on making meters instead of the penalty