Robert Lui Incident/Contract Thread

Very disappointed, after such a great season with no off field indiscretions, this happens. I'd imagine he'll still keep his position at the club as he is a quality player, but after this I nominate Tim Moltzen as halfback next year.
 
Anyone who suggests that the pressure of being an NRL player somehow excuses this type of behaviour is kidding themselves. It doesn't matter how old they are, these players are in a priviliged position, one that thousands of people would love to be in. They get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to play a game. That's the reality of it. If they are so precious that they can't handle being famous then they should retire and do something else, like everyone else in society.
 
Why did this have to happen. I think we have been one of the best clubs when it has come to off field issues as of late, bar the Laurie incident, but if the club is going to inforce the strict code they have i only see bad things for lui :frowning: he is such a great lil player with tonnes of Potential as we saw on saturday, hate to see him go if it comes to that
 
I have had a fair bit to do with the legal system(due to work)

9 charges sound bad but in reality it was more than likely just one bad incident.

A lot of police charges are back up charges just in case the softer charges do not stick.The police generally make things sound really bad so they can get a conviction on the record.

Out of the 9 charges i find it highly unlikely that many will stick thats why they are so many of them.

Look robert has messed up badly BUT the police and court will make this out the be far worst than it really was.He needs solid legal advise with a good legal represenative.He will not go to gaol,my guest would be a section 10 bond with a 1 year good behaviour period.

Just my thoughts.
 
@balmainkings said:
@Centaur said:
With this additional information, I can now agree that if he is in fact found guilty of the charges then there is no choice but to give him the flick.

Very disappointing - especially considering the odds are that he would come back in a few years and carve up for another club.

i don't think any club would want a low life like that, be it now or in the future.. :imp:

mate watch what u say
do u kno him ???
how do u kno he is a low life
it could be true it could be total BS
who knows that not our job to decide
n i would refrain from calling any1 a low life
unless u know 100% exactly wat happened or know
him personally and have a right to make that asumption
so just watch wat u call u coz it may come bak to bite u in the ass
 
@Frazer4Wests said:
I have had a fair bit to do with the legal system(due to work)

9 charges sound bad but in reality it was more than likely just one bad incident.

A lot of police charges are back up charges just in case the softer charges do not stick.The police generally make things sound really bad so they can get a conviction on the record.

Out of the 9 charges i find it highly unlikely that many will stick thats why they are so many of them.

Look robert has messed up badly BUT the police and court will make this out the be far worst than it really was.He needs solid legal advise with a good legal represenative.He will not go to gaol,my guest would be a section 10 bond with a 1 year good behaviour period.

Just my thoughts.

If you didn't put the (due to work) in I would have questioned why. Goulburn/Legal System. Lol.
 
THE Wests Tigers halfback Robert Lui has been charged with seriously assaulting and trying to choke his pregnant girlfriend in the hours after his side was knocked out of the NRL finals series.

The 20-year-old is alleged to have attacked partner Taleah in the Abbotsford unit he rents with a lower-grade player from the club between 4am and 5am on Sunday. The incident occurred only hours after the Tigers preliminary final loss to St George Illawarra at ANZ Stadium.

Taleah, who is believed to be three months pregnant, suffered facial injuries in the attack and lodged a complaint with police on Sunday. On being made aware of the complaint Lui yesterday handed himself into Campsie Police Station.

He has been charged with nine offences, including assault occasioning actual bodily harm, detain person with intent to obtain advantage and choke with intent to commit an indictable offence.

Six of the charges relate to Sunday morning's incident, including a charge of aggravated robbery, where he is alleged to have taken his girlfriend's mobile phone.

Three of the charges, including two of common assault, are alleged to have occurred on two dates in May.

Lui yesterday appeared in Burwood Local Court, where he was granted bail of $6000 and told he was not to approach Taleah. He was also ordered to live at Chiswick with a homestay family, who he lived with when he first arrived in Sydney about three years ago.

Lui's partner had been in Sydney for five months, having moved from north Queensland.

Club officials said Lui told them he would be ''vigorously defending all the allegations''.

Lui has been ''relieved of club duties''. While the players have broken from training after being knocked out of the premiership, Lui has been told not to attend any club functions.

''Wests Tigers has an inclusive and family orientated culture and does not condone violence against women,'' the club statement said.

''The club will do everything in its power to respect the rights of all parties involved in this matter and to offer appropriate support.''

Lui made his debut for the Tigers last year and this year became the club's first-choice halfback. He played arguably the best game of his career against the Dragons on Saturday night.

''We've spoken to Wests Tigers today and are comfortable that they are dealing with it as best they can,'' NRL chief executive David Gallop said.

''It goes without saying that violence against women is not tolerated in our game.

''It must be a distressing time for all parties involved and we will do what we can to help but it is largely a police matter at this stage.''

Lui is due to appear in Burwood Local Court again on November 15.

[Source](http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/league-news/tigers-star-charged-with-assaulting-partner-20100927-15u7a.html)
 
*gulp*

this is why players (actually, anyone) need support:

An apparent suicide raises questions of how to best assist banned players, write Glenn Jackson and Brad Walter.
>
The tragic death of former Great Britain hooker Terry Newton has prompted calls for banned rugby league stars to be offered more support.
>
The 31-year-old, who was seven months into a two-year drugs suspension, left a message on his Facebook page stating ''Luv U all but it's end time'' just hours before he was found hanging in the garage of his home near Wigan. Police said his death was not suspicious.
>
The apparent suicide has led to calls for the game's administrations not to abandon their players - even ones who, like Newton, had been banned for being a drugs cheat.
''There's no doubt he could have done with a bit of help,'' Stuart Raper, who coached Newton between 2001 and 2003 at Wigan, said yesterday. ''You can't just ban them and say, 'See you later'. I think they're better with that type of thing over here.
>
''We do a lot more rehabilitation. When a player has to resort to those types of things, is it confidence, or a deficiency in their mental health, or is it just trying to be a better player?''
>
Raper said players who had been banned for alcohol abuse deserved the same help and support. ''There's little difference,'' he said. ''It's looking to a substance to help you, and you can't handle being without it.''
>
Police were called to Newton's house shortly after 2pm on Sunday UK time. They found his body in the garage where, in the past, he had injected himself with human growth hormone and where he had hidden 20 syringes from his wife and two young daughters.
>
The former Leeds, Wigan, Bradford and Wakefield hooker, one of the game's more colourful characters, was the first professional sportsman in the world to test positive for human growth hormones, the Guardian reported.
>
His career hit the heights when he played in all three Tests of the 2003 Ashes series but it ended abruptly this year with a four-year drugs ban. It is thought he took his own life after becoming depressed over both his career and private life.
>
Newton had his playing contract cancelled by Wakefield in February.
>
A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said: ''Police were called to a house on Harswell Close in Orrell, Wigan, following a report of concern for welfare.
>
''Officers went to the address and found the body of a 31-year-old man. Inquiries have been launched, but there are not believed to be any suspicious circumstances.''
>
Newton's former Great Britain teammate Sean Long described Newton as ''a tough bloke on the pitch but a top guy to have a pint with'', revealing he had spoken to Newton on Saturday, the Daily Mirror reported.
>
''He was running a fundraising event in his pub and he was in good spirits,'' Long said. ''Then I got the phone call today to say he was dead. It's devastating.''
>
Former Great Britain centre Garry Schofield called the death ''an absolutely tragic loss,'' The Sun reported.
>
In a television interview just three weeks ago, Newton admitted he wanted to play again.
>
''Every day I wish I was going to training with the lads,'' he had said. ''I miss the craic.''
>
Rugby Football League chairman Richard Lewis said in a statement: ''We are deeply shocked and saddened by the news of Terry's untimely death. This is a personal tragedy and our thoughts are with Terry's partner, his children and his family at this terrible time.''
 
@Kul said:
*gulp*

this is why players (actually, anyone) need support:

An apparent suicide raises questions of how to best assist banned players, write Glenn Jackson and Brad Walter.
>
The tragic death of former Great Britain hooker Terry Newton has prompted calls for banned rugby league stars to be offered more support.
>
The 31-year-old, who was seven months into a two-year drugs suspension, left a message on his Facebook page stating ''Luv U all but it's end time'' just hours before he was found hanging in the garage of his home near Wigan. Police said his death was not suspicious.
>
The apparent suicide has led to calls for the game's administrations not to abandon their players - even ones who, like Newton, had been banned for being a drugs cheat.
''There's no doubt he could have done with a bit of help,'' Stuart Raper, who coached Newton between 2001 and 2003 at Wigan, said yesterday. ''You can't just ban them and say, 'See you later'. I think they're better with that type of thing over here.
>
''We do a lot more rehabilitation. When a player has to resort to those types of things, is it confidence, or a deficiency in their mental health, or is it just trying to be a better player?''
>
Raper said players who had been banned for alcohol abuse deserved the same help and support. ''There's little difference,'' he said. ''It's looking to a substance to help you, and you can't handle being without it.''
>
Police were called to Newton's house shortly after 2pm on Sunday UK time. They found his body in the garage where, in the past, he had injected himself with human growth hormone and where he had hidden 20 syringes from his wife and two young daughters.
>
The former Leeds, Wigan, Bradford and Wakefield hooker, one of the game's more colourful characters, was the first professional sportsman in the world to test positive for human growth hormones, the Guardian reported.
>
His career hit the heights when he played in all three Tests of the 2003 Ashes series but it ended abruptly this year with a four-year drugs ban. It is thought he took his own life after becoming depressed over both his career and private life.
>
Newton had his playing contract cancelled by Wakefield in February.
>
A spokesman for Greater Manchester Police said: ''Police were called to a house on Harswell Close in Orrell, Wigan, following a report of concern for welfare.
>
''Officers went to the address and found the body of a 31-year-old man. Inquiries have been launched, but there are not believed to be any suspicious circumstances.''
>
Newton's former Great Britain teammate Sean Long described Newton as ''a tough bloke on the pitch but a top guy to have a pint with'', revealing he had spoken to Newton on Saturday, the Daily Mirror reported.
>
''He was running a fundraising event in his pub and he was in good spirits,'' Long said. ''Then I got the phone call today to say he was dead. It's devastating.''
>
Former Great Britain centre Garry Schofield called the death ''an absolutely tragic loss,'' The Sun reported.
>
In a television interview just three weeks ago, Newton admitted he wanted to play again.
>
''Every day I wish I was going to training with the lads,'' he had said. ''I miss the craic.''
>
Rugby Football League chairman Richard Lewis said in a statement: ''We are deeply shocked and saddened by the news of Terry's untimely death. This is a personal tragedy and our thoughts are with Terry's partner, his children and his family at this terrible time.''

Excellent post Kul! That was my point exactly!!

I am not and have never tried to justify or condone the allegations - however I remain adamant that the club has a duty of care under the circumstances and cannot just set the young man (or his partner) adrift!!!
 
This saddens me more than the lost against the Dragons.
I am sure his wingman, Ellis, will not be very happy with him if this is all found out to be true
 
koori boi - i'm pretty sure the use of the phrase 'low life' is an apt description for someone if they are found guilty of the charges presented (which is how the words were used in the quote you used - not describing him as one now as it remains allegations until it has gone through the court system) - surely even you can see that? i personally have used stronger words than that to describe pond scum found guilty of DV charges.kul - i'm glad you included the word anyone in your post - but i'm pretty well over players using MI as an excuse to be (essentially) an idiot - there are thousands of ppl with MI that don't have access to the funds/psych/counsellors these players do yet they repeatedly screw up time after time and continually place 'blame' if you will on their mental health - they have 24hr access to a mental health team whereas there are places in australia where the CAT (crisis assesment teams) are so overworked that ppl are being sent home when really they should be under supervision, or you cannot get in to see a psych for weeks as there is no availability (sorry a little OT but it's a massive bug bear of mine). In terms of 'help' it's the old lead a horse to water situation - as with anyone you can tell them there is a problem but if they won't acknowledge there is than nothing will change.
 
@alex said:
Should be dealt with the same way as Daine Laurie.

Could be an easy way to solve the #7 battle between himself and Moltzen.

Such an unfortunate thing to happen after an incredible year for him.

I wouldn't be upset if he was shown the door. As Smeg said, their should be zero tolerance towards this, if in fact he is proven guilty.
 
@alien said:
not a good start to the offseason but in my eyes he is innocent until proven guilty. i dont believe anything that comes from the telecrap. i hope he is innocent. i think he has alot of potential in the game. we would also need to look for another halfback for depth.

News Ltd make their money out of citizens like you.
 
Lui should be innocent until proven guilty, but unfortunately there's no smoke without fire. If found guilty, then he should face the full consequences of his actions. What sort of a mutt would hit not only a woman, but a pregnant woman at that??? It's like double the putridness…...
The other unfortunate side of this, if proven innocent, is that mud sticks.....
 
It is important that the club has him in consultation with a mental health professional as of now.

Moving him back to his original homestay family home is a great start as it gives him a grounding but regardless of innocence or guilt there will be alot of attention on Robert and how he handles it and processes it are important for his future as a person rather than just a footballer.

I have every confidence the club will do all within it's power to help offer assistance to all parties in this matter though
 
@lukeh said:
lui should be innocent until proven guilty, but unfortunately there's no smoke without fire. If found guilty, then he should face the full consequences of his actions. What sort of a mutt would hit not only a woman, but a pregnant woman at that??? It's like double the putridness…...
The other unfortunate side of this, if proven innocent, is that mud sticks.....

mud certainly sticks wwhen you call someone a mutt and doubly putrid as you said lui should be innocent till proven guilty.
 
@sam+2+1 said:
koori boi - i'm pretty sure the use of the phrase 'low life' is an apt description for someone if they are found guilty of the charges presented (which is how the words were used in the quote you used - not describing him as one now as it remains allegations until it has gone through the court system) - surely even you can see that? i personally have used stronger words than that to describe pond scum found guilty of DV charges.kul - i'm glad you included the word anyone in your post - but i'm pretty well over players using MI as an excuse to be (essentially) an idiot - there are thousands of ppl with MI that don't have access to the funds/psych/counsellors these players do yet they repeatedly screw up time after time and continually place 'blame' if you will on their mental health - they have 24hr access to a mental health team whereas there are places in australia where the CAT (crisis assesment teams) are so overworked that ppl are being sent home when really they should be under supervision, or you cannot get in to see a psych for weeks as there is no availability (sorry a little OT but it's a massive bug bear of mine). In terms of 'help' it's the old lead a horse to water situation - as with anyone you can tell them there is a problem but if they won't acknowledge there is than nothing will change.

Havent u soapboxed enough!

It is not all about you!
He has not been proven guilty yet, so how about u lay off! People with their own agendas????

Yer, i am sure if they still hung and stoned people u would be first in line!

But what if it was one of your kids, would u just abandon them? From your front of page i guess not! But with your posts maybe so!!!!
Even if he is guilty of his crimes, we as a club have had this kid on our books for some time since 14 or 15? years old put him through keebra and our cubs program. So we are in a way responsable for the man he is today!!!
So i do believe we should help him regardless of the guilt or not, he is one of our own, and we should not just abandon him.

Remember there are two sides to every story….
 
Helping him and continuing to employ him do not have to be the same thing if he is guilty though.

It is funny reading you tell someone they have soapboxed enough and than watching you climb from your soapbox to your high horse though so thanks for that. But seriously it is a veryintense issue which lends itself to fervent opinion which you have proven so please play the ball and not the man so to speak
 
After the best season in 5 years, I am dissapointed to hear that a member of the WT has purportedly committed these offences. This will bring the club in to the public eye for the wrong reasons. Robbie Lui seems to have talent to burn, so maybe all he needs to do now is appreciate his talents and grow up !
 

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